This is interesting...have you ever known the intimacy of the Holy Spirit. Have you ever been in communication with him? When we sin, that communication stops until it is restored again through true repentance.
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I think this is a difference or distinction that many do not comprehend. Our relation is in Christ, with His Spirit in us. He is the Holy One of God without sin, while we are continually being sanctified depending on Him for salvation and intercession. It is not that His Spirt leaves us because of sin, nor can we ever escape His presence for He is omnipresent. Yet our relation can be hindered or stunted, and is hobbled by sin. Your quote of Isaiah sums it up best. Lets post it for all to read:Angelina said:This is interesting...have you ever known the intimacy of the Holy Spirit. Have you ever been in communication with him? When we sin, that communication stops until it is restored again through true repentance.
Amen...we have a personal relationship with him through the Holy Spirit. This is when we begin to walk [in the process of sanctification] according to God's will and word. The HS teaches us to practice righteousness through the daily decisions we make and situations that occur and helps us to choose the right path when we are at crossroads between doing things the old soulish way or doing what is right in Christ. Galatians 5:16-17. When we begin to walk contrary to God's word through sin because our soul desires to be gratified, we slowly walk out of the center of his will. This eventually hinders our communication/connection with the HS and stops us from growing any further. Heaven seems to be silent and our prayers begin to feel like they are going as far as the roof.... When we repent from the heart, our training/ teaching continues onward with the Spirits assistance...A birds eye view of my life would reveal that once I surrendered my life to Christ, a dramatic change occurred. It is not that I suddenly became sinless, rather I suddenly became unpleasantly and shamefully aware of my sin. It sickened me to the very core of my being even making me physically, emotionally, and mentally ill. God gave me insight into the blackness of my heart contrasted against His pure Light
We are slaves to whomever we have allowed to be our master...Personally I do not believe children of God remain slaves to sin, rather they are slaves of Jesus Christ. This distinction allows us to see and know who are the children of God.
YEs and no. When I became a young christian, i did not find it abnormal just to walk down teh street and have conversations with Jesus, just seemed the right thing to do. Still do today. yet there would be weeks when all would be well, than things would stop. Happened many times, i used to question Him lots on this still do today, because at some stage all would be well again, and i never did anything different, just happened. Didnt stop me talking to Him still have my faith. Beside Jesus would never leave me, He is always here.When we begin to walk contrary to God's word through sin because our soul desires to be gratified, we slowly walk out of the center of his will. This eventually hinders our communication/connection with the HS and stops us from growing any further
You are talking about a different situation there... God is very patient and gracious to new believers because they are babies in the Lord, learning how to walk and reliant on milk. That does not mean that he is not gracious to older believers but somewhere in his word he says;mjrhealth said:YEs and no. When I became a young christian, i did not find it abnormal just to walk down teh street and have conversations with Jesus, just seemed the right thing to do. Still do today. yet there would be weeks when all would be well, than things would stop. Happened many times, i used to question Him lots on this still do today, because at some stage all would be well again, and i never did anything different, just happened. Didnt stop me talking to Him still have my faith. Beside Jesus would never leave me, He is always here.
Yes, we would need to know exactly what you mean by separation.StanJ said:That depends on your definition of separation and whether you think it's a physical or spiritual one? A simple human hair can separate one person from another and I'm sure there is a spiritual counterpart to that. The Bible uses a lot of examples of separation. When is as far as the East is from the West. How far is that I wonder?
Good example. We can have a strained relationship with God, or become apostate. There a huge gulf in the middle of that called separation.lforrest said:Yes, we would need to know exactly what you mean by separation.
The Holy Spirit doesn't leave a believer when they sin and return when they repent. The Spirit remains, but you can become estranged to him. Sort of like a married couple with a bad relationship, but they don't want a divorce.
Whenever you commit a sinStanJ said:That depends on your definition of separation and whether you think it's a physical or spiritual one? A simple human hair can separate one person from another and I'm sure there is a spiritual counterpart to that. The Bible uses a lot of examples of separation. When is as far as the East is from the West. How far is that I wonder?
That depends on what you define physical as being? Is your carnal nature a physical thing or a spiritual thing?Rachne83T said:Whenever you commit a sin
is it physical or spiritual or both?
I define it exactly as Jesus.StanJ said:That depends on what you define physical as being? Is your carnal nature a physical thing or a spiritual thing?
So you define it as carnal, and as such, all sin is carnal.Rachne83T said:I define it exactly as Jesus.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh;
and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Using this definition of physical and spiritual, what is the truth
whenever you commit a sin, is it physical or spiritual or both?
When was the law instuted to teh "israelites"gentiles not included. please noteSin is transgression of the law...isn't it?
Yes you are right, God ceratinly thought it through long before He created man. Pity so many reject our Lords grace and works so they can please the flesh through there own.
Honestly, it seems that some folks just haven't thought it through...
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:Sin is transgression of the law...isn't it? If there is no law to transgress, obviously there can be no sin.
What law?The Barrd said:1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Faith in what?StanJ said:Romans 14:23
...everything that does not come from faith is sin.