The Prophetic Feasts of Israel

[Rockerduck]

And when the gentiles came to understand that Christ died for them, the early "Jewish Christians" tried to those early gentile Christians to conform to their Jewish traditions, was that really a blessing.

Did not the Jewish influence of the Church fade within a few hundred years such that even the "Church" caused tribulation upon the Jews in their community by forcing them to flee or by killing them, because "they had killed their Christ?"

It is not until God restores the Israelites to Himself that the Israelites become a blessing to all who join them in inhabiting God's fertile Soil during the Seventh Age's Millennium period.

Yes, and the Jews at first were hounding the gentile Christians calling them worse than dogs and stoning Christians in the street. In Acts 22:21-22 at the end of apostle Paul's speech he said " Gentiles" and caused a riot to kill Paul. It was a mixed up mess of politics at first and of course the Jews were blamed.; and the Jews knew this at the time, because Christianity, to the praise of Jesus, spread very fast. Don't forget the many Jews who became Christians also and assimilated with all Christians. In a different study of Jewish population for 100's of years, they had love hate relationships with countries they settled into. I believe this is God's plan also, because from Poland to Germany back to the land of promise. God has made them suffer for their continued rejection of their Messiah to this day.

 

[Luther7]

God will never abandon His chosen people Israel (Psalm 94:14).

If this is what you believe, then why is there no provision for these people in the NEW COVENANT? In the New Covenant, there is no difference between jew and Gentile. In the New Covenant, God saves INDIVIDUALS, NOT NATIONS. They had the opportunity before the New Covenant:

Acts 13:46 KJV
Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

 

[William Barton]

Yes the Jews were chosen to bring forth Jesus by the Holy Spirit. See Matthew's genealogy. However the Jews are no longer chosen for anything after that. Ad70 made sure of that. Also see Sozomen's account from his book The Ecclesiastical History (Book V) He was a historian during the rule of Julian the Apostate. The Jews under King Julian were encouraged to rebuild the temple again. Sozomen is an eye witness to what happened or rather what did not happen.

Rockerduck noted: "Jews no longer chosen."

Amos 9:14-15: indicates the Jews are God's people.

 

[Trekson]

Just remember that Israel today is not the pure race of Jews in ad 70, when Jerusalem was destroyed. They hated gentiles and Samarians. Now today, they themselves are the mixed race Samarians and gentiles. Since Jesus did away with the Mosaic Law, the Jews today practice it, minus sacrifices. God will not allow Jews today to be in rebellion to Jesus's one time sacrifice to end it, to mock Jesus in the unbelief and "stiff-necked" rebellion. Just like everyone on earth today, they need to turn to Jesus, the Christ.

and they will.

 

[Rockerduck]

Rockerduck noted: "Jews no longer chosen."

Amos 9:14-15: indicates the Jews are God's people.

Amos was in the OT northern Kingdom around 750 bc. The exiles returned forever in around 530 bc. They were chosen for one purpose, for the Messiah to be born. Then they had one chance, to accept their Messiah and be Priests over the earth, but they rejected the Messiah, Christ Jesus and Christ Jesus rejected Judea, forever. Pentecost came and all who accepted Jesus, the Messiah, is now the Chosen people. Israel today isn't chosen for anything, they still teach the Mosaic law, in rebellion against God.
Amos 8:7 -
Now the Lord has sworn this oath
by his own name, the Pride of Israel:
“I will never forget
the wicked things you have done!

 

[Rockerduck]

and they will.

They had better before the wrath of God comes upon the earth against all who reject Jesus. 2 Thess. 1:7-8-and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.

 

[Earburner]

Dan. 9:24 doesn't even come close to saying they are 'the works God gave to Jesus to perform" and are totally unrelated to John 17:4. The passage specifically says they are for Israel and Jerusalem to perform and I already showed how that will be accomplished by Israel in the latter days. The feasts were given TO Israel for them to KEEP annually, in remembrance of the Glory of God! All seven were types, foretelling aspects of Christ's two advents. The four spring feasts were fulfilled w/ Christ's first advent, the three fall feasts will be fulfilled at His 2nd advent. While it's good to know about them, they have zero significance for the church as yes, they were all for Israel. What you shared goes totally against what scripture teaches!

Let's see if you can discern this: By God, Israel as a nation, apart from Christ, was never meant to have a future in this world, or in the World to come! Therefore, the nation we see today called Israel, is ordained of men and not of God.
Mat. 21:43
Therefore say I unto you [Israel], The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation [of born again Christians] bringing forth the fruits thereof.
45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

 

[Trekson]

Let's see if you can discern this: By God, Israel as a nation, apart from Christ, was never meant to have a future in this world, or in the World to come! Therefore, the nation we see today called Israel, is ordained of men and not of God.
Mat. 21:43
Therefore say I unto you [Israel], The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation [of born again Christians] bringing forth the fruits thereof.
45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

Things will change and the ethnic "nation" of Israel that enters the millennium will all be born again believers in Christ. They will be the 1/3 of Zech. 13:8-9. The rapture/resurrection is for the church, the 2nd coming is for Israel!

 

[Rockerduck]

Things will change and the ethnic "nation" of Israel that enters the millennium will all be born again believers in Christ. They will be the 1/3 of Zech. 13:8-9. The rapture/resurrection is for the church, the 2nd coming is for Israel!

They lost their chance, they once had it, but lost it because of unbelief today. Next thing that will happen is destruction against all who do not belong to the body of Christ. All; and nobody gets a pass.

 

[Earburner]

Things will change and the ethnic "nation" of Israel that enters the millennium will all be born again believers in Christ. They will be the 1/3 of Zech. 13:8-9. The rapture/resurrection is for the church, the 2nd coming is for Israel!

In most of my reply, I will be using your terms of understanding to reveal the error of a Pre-trib rapture, as well as the error of the Pre-Mil. view for a thousand years on earth.

That is all pending, that your belief of 12 tribes of Israel x12,000=144,000 Jews are to be miraculously saved, whether they like it or not.
You probably do not want to listen to the real reason of who the 144, 000 were and when!! But that's OK, you don't sound ready to "hear" it anyways.

Unfortunately, you are not aware of the confusion of misunderstanding that has led you to believe a lie.
According to your belief system, you think that "the rapture resurrection is for the church". Actually, no you are wrong!! It is only for those who WERE/ARE SAVED, aka Born again of the Holy Spirit.

In that moment of a supposed Rapture, you are implying that there is a literal time and date of a cutoff between those who are saved and those who are not saved.
Which is to say that all who are left behind, THEY DID NOT HAVE the Holy Spirit of God within them, and therefore that is why they would NOT be Saved/Raptured.

As a result, every single person (Jews included) that are left behind on the earth, AFTER the so called rapture/resurrection, WILL BE the UNSAVED. That means EVERYONE!!
In other words, there won't be anyone that was left behind, who will have the Holy Spirit, including the Jews to preach the gospel to the unsaved who were left behind.

 

[William Barton]

Some thoughts:
o The father of the faith is Abraham.
o Abraham lived and died many years before Jesus.
o Therefore Abraham was not a Christian.
o However Abraham saw the day of Christ and rejoiced (John 8:56).
o "Christ" is an English rendering of Greek Χριστος (Christos).
o Χριστος = "anointed one" (see Isaiah 61:1).

 

[William Barton]

Amos was in the OT northern Kingdom around 750 bc. The exiles returned forever in around 530 bc. They were chosen for one purpose, for the Messiah to be born. Then they had one chance, to accept their Messiah and be Priests over the earth, but they rejected the Messiah, Christ Jesus and Christ Jesus rejected Judea, forever. Pentecost came and all who accepted Jesus, the Messiah, is now the Chosen people. Israel today isn't chosen for anything, they still teach the Mosaic law, in rebellion against God.
Amos 8:7 -
Now the Lord has sworn this oath
by his own name, the Pride of Israel:
“I will never forget
the wicked things you have done!

Rockerduck noted:
<rejected Judea forever>

Check out Amos 9:11-15. God will never reject His chosen people.

BTW:
o The first Christians were Jewish.
o Most of the New Testament authors were Jewish.
o The apostle Paul, who wrote much of the New Testament, is Jewish.
o Luke is a gentile, but got his information from the Jews.

 

[Rockerduck]

Rockerduck noted:
<rejected Judea forever>

Check out Amos 9:11-15. God will never reject His chosen people.

BTW:
o The first Christians were Jewish.
o Most of the New Testament authors were Jewish.
o The apostle Paul, who wrote much of the New Testament, is Jewish.
o Luke is a gentile, but got his information from the Jews.

Jesus already did reject Israel in the New Testament. Forget the OT. Matthew 21:43 - Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a (born again) people, producing the fruit of it.

See this in Acts 1:8 - but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.”

Notice the Apostles were to and did preach the gospel to Jerusalem, Judea, and Samaria. So, all Israel was preached to and had a chance for the salvation that came to the Jews first. However, even though Jesus did His best, most of Israel rejected Jesus even after the Cross and with witnesses.

 

[William Barton]

Jesus already did reject Israel in the New Testament. Forget the OT. Matthew 21:43 - Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a (born again) people, producing the fruit of it.

Rockerduck noted:

<already did reject Israel>

Not going to happen ever.

"Disperse" does not equate to "reject." Check out Nehemiah 1:9, Ezekiel 37:21.

Israel became a nation in 1973, the only time in history that an ancient city has come back into existence.

 

[Luther7]

Rockerduck noted: "Jews no longer chosen."

Amos 9:14-15: indicates the Jews are God's people.

That's an impossibility. The jews that were dispersed into the nations in the first century AD have assimilated and /or mixed with the people.

There is no longer a definitive bloodline of the Israelites today.

To " bring again the captivity of my people Israel" is referring to all in Christ, the ISRAEL OF GOD, gathered together at the last day.

" Jews" on this side of the Cross follow the religion of ANTICHRIST. They are a "SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN", as Jesus told us.

If YOU are truly saved, then YOU are one of God's elect. DO NOT let the talmudic inspired teachings in the pulpit deceive you!

 

[Earburner]

IMO the Jews did not bring forth the Christ, rather Jesus was brought about by the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:35).

God *sent* his only Son Jesus, second person of the trinity.

Yes. Before the foundation of the world, Jesus was/is the chosen Lamb of God by God the Father. However, the nation of Israel was the vehicle of flesh by which the Promise of the Messiah would come.

 

[Rockerduck]

Rockerduck noted:

<already did reject Israel>

Not going to happen ever.

"Disperse" does not equate to "reject." Check out Nehemiah 1:9, Ezekiel 37:21.

Israel became a nation in 1973, the only time in history that an ancient city has come back into existence.

When the Jews came back from Exile they never left again. Just because Jerusalem was destroyed, and many dispersed, the Jews were still there. Read some history. A Jewish population was still there and never left. WW1 defeated the Ottoman empire and divided the land and gave the Jews their own land. Then the Jewish people bought more and more land. There has been a thriving tourist attraction in Israel for 2000 yrs.

By the way, you disagree with Jesus, that's not good.

 

[Luther7]

Jesus already did reject Israel in the New Testament. Forget the OT. Matthew 21:43 - Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a (born again) people, producing the fruit of it.

See this in Acts 1:8 - but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.”

Notice the Apostles were to and did preach the gospel to Jerusalem, Judea, and Samaria. So, all Israel was preached to and had a chance for the salvation that came to the Jews first. However, even though Jesus did His best, most of Israel rejected Jesus even after the Cross and with witnesses.

Excellent point. To the jew first. And many of them believed and became Christians.

But the rebellious ones continued to reject Christ and form their own religion. The saying " judeo - Christian" values is ridiculous.

 

[Luther7]

Rockerduck noted:

<already did reject Israel>

Not going to happen ever.

"Disperse" does not equate to "reject." Check out Nehemiah 1:9, Ezekiel 37:21.

Israel became a nation in 1973, the only time in history that an ancient city has come back into existence.

Um, I think you mean 1948. Israel had nuclear weapons by 1973. Scary thought I might add.

 

[Trekson]

They lost their chance, they once had it, but lost it because of unbelief today. Next thing that will happen is destruction against all who do not belong to the body of Christ. All; and nobody gets a pass.

Agreed, but Zech. 12:10 will be fulfilled followed by Zech. 13:8-9. But soon that unbelief will turn to belief and God's will, will begin to be accomplished w/ their national salvation.