The Purpose of the Law

[mjrhealth]

It was not intended to have power anymore than when a rule you might make for your child to keep their room clean . If the child doesn't or won't keep the room clean do you blame your rule?

Not everyone in this world needs rules, as it says the rules where made for bad people, one can only assume that those who demand rules must be bad people, because those who walk in Love would never do bad things, except maybe in the spur of the moment because we dont walk in perfect love yet, but than that is why we have grace, trodden underfoot by so many.

 

[CharismaticLady]

If that is what you would do, than maybe you shouldnt, but than not everyone is like you, You do now teh law was made for bad people, so therefore are you bad.

I didn't say if I feel like murdering someone; I said if YOU feel like murdering someone. If you did would that be forgiven according to what you understand grace to be?

 

[justbyfaith]

It was not intended to have power anymore than when a rule you might make for your child to keep their room clean . If the child doesn't or won't keep the room clean do you blame your rule?

I would say that the rule is imperfect in that it doesn't have the power to get my child to clean his room.

The rule isn't enough.

There must be a motivation apart from the rule that makes him want to clean his room.

Applying this to the law, the motivation apart from the law is the love of Christ shed abroad in the heart of the believer (Romans 5:5). We love Him because He first loved us (1 John 4:19).

We are motivated by our love for the Lord to obey His commandments; and this takes place at a time when the commandments are no longer required of us, as having consequences if we disobey. We obey God's commandments because He has given us of His Spirit; and therefore we love Him. We also obey out of gratitude over what He did for us on the Cross. We were going to hell; now we are going to heaven. If that is not reason to want to please the One who saved me, I don't know what is.

 

[mjrhealth]

I didn't say if I feel like murdering someone; I said if YOU feel like murdering someone. If you did would that be forgiven according to what you understand grace to be?

But you see what you are saying is that everyone needs rules, only bad people do, not everyone is bad, there are plenty who will never do anything bad in this world, they dont need rules why is it that just because you claim to be good, everyone else must be bad, is it just self gratification, a reason to boast, " look at me God im not like all those other sinners". which is all i hear. There will be no boasters before God, His grace is sufficient even if so many say it is not.

 

[justbyfaith]

I didn't say if I feel like murdering someone; I said if YOU feel like murdering someone. If you did would that be forgiven according to what you understand grace to be?

@CharismaticLady

Let me ask you this:

If someone murdered someone in the past, and then later repented and gave their heart to Christ, are they forgiven?

Is Moses condemned to an eternal hell for killing a man?

Or is he, also, not forgiven through the blood of Christ?

 

[justbyfaith]

But you see what you are saying is that everyone needs rules, only bad people do, not everyone is bad, there are plenty who will never do anything bad in this world, they dont need rules why is it that just because you claim to be good, everyone else must be bad, is it just self gratification, a reason to boast, " look at me God im not like all those other sinners". which is all i hear. There will be no boasters before God, His grace is sufficient even if so many say it is not.

Jesus said, none is good, save one, that is, God. Luke 18:19

 

[CharismaticLady]

But you see what you are saying is that everyone needs rules, only bad people do, not everyone is bad, there are plenty who will never do anything bad in this world

So if they are already good, why would they need Christ?

 

[mjrhealth]

So if they are already good, why would they need Christ?

Oh stop trying to justify yourself, there is none good but God, we are saved by grace through faith, by the righteousness of Christ not our goodness. Get over it.

 

[mjrhealth]

Jesus said, none is good, save one, that is, God. Luke 18:19

REad my post above.

 

[justbyfaith]

Jesus said, none is good, save one, that is, God. Luke 18:19

REad my post above.

not everyone is bad, there are plenty who will never do anything bad in this world,

 

[farouk]

Same here! I don't think I smiled like that since a kid

@Nancy "'Twas grace that taught my heart to fear,
'Twas grace my fears relieved,
How precious did that grace appear
The hour I first believed!"

:)

 

[CharismaticLady]

Oh stop trying to justify yourself, there is none good but God, we are saved by grace through faith, by the righteousness of Christ not our goodness. Get over it.

I just quoted you, silly. You are the one that said only the bad need the law, but there are good people that wouldn't do anything wrong. I'm just asking you an obvious questions about your doctrines. But you won't answer the questions, just twist it around to some mean and weird thing about me, that doesn't even fit me, and is bearing false witness. And I'm not sure what I'm suppose to "get over." Maybe if you would go back and read the conversation you wouldn't be so confused as to why I'm asking what I do. Your responses are mean and off the wall weird.

 

[mjrhealth]

I just quoted you, silly. You are the one that said only the bad need the law, but there are good people that wouldn't do anything wrong. I'm just asking you an obvious questions about your doctrines. But you won't answer the questions, just twist it around to some mean and weird thing about me, that doesn't even fit me, and is bearing false witness. And I'm not sure what I'm suppose to "get over." Maybe if you would go back and read the conversation you wouldn't be so confused as to why I'm asking what I do. Your responses are mean and off the wall weird.

My doctrine I dont have any its His. You do know why it is grace by faith, not by works, because men like to boast. we are all equal in Gods eyes, and we all receive the same grace, it is not metered out like a drug.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Seeing as we are not under the law, meaning the 613 commandments, doesn't mean that we can break God's laws either. Grace is not a license to sin, or a pass as some think when they define grace as unmerited favor. That is not the meaning of the grace of God. Grace is His divine power inside us that He places there when our nature is born again. Righteousness is not merely imputed to us as a covering, but rather His power in us makes us act righteously, and when we act righteously, we ARE righteous. We do not sin any longer, breaking His laws. We are free from sin. John 8:34-36

2 Peter 1:2-4
2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Believers Should NOT break any of the Laws Of God .....but they do. Believers CAN and DO take advantage of God's Grace, whether they know it or not and whether they want to admit it or not. Grace covers these things as far as their Salvation is concerned ......BUT! If people think they can play God for a Fool or Spit on Grace and “ get away with it”, they are ignorant Fools.God will Chastise His stupid Children.He will also save them.....they will just show up at Judgement Day Ashamed and having many bruises on their rear-ends......

 

[justbyfaith]

I just quoted you, silly. You are the one that said only the bad need the law, but there are good people that wouldn't do anything wrong. I'm just asking you an obvious questions about your doctrines. But you won't answer the questions, just twist it around to some mean and weird thing about me, that doesn't even fit me, and is bearing false witness. And I'm not sure what I'm suppose to "get over." Maybe if you would go back and read the conversation you wouldn't be so confused as to why I'm asking what I do. Your responses are mean and off the wall weird.

That's because she has me on Ignore and cannot see my posts.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Believers Should NOT break any of the Laws Of God .....but they do. Believers CAN and DO take advantage of God's Grace, whether they know it or not and whether they want to admit it or not. Grace covers these things as far as their Salvation is concerned ......BUT! If people think they can play God for a Fool or Spit on Grace and “ get away with it”, they are ignorant Fools.God will Chastise His stupid Children.He will also save them.....they will just show up at Judgement Day Ashamed and having many bruises on their rear-ends......

Why do you believe we are under the 613 laws? I don't even know what they are. What does Paul mean that we are not under the law? Is he speaking of another law than the 613? We can't take advantage of God's Grace, because it doesn't mean unmerited favor as if God is the author of sin, but rather Grace is the POWER OF GOD given to us to PREVENT us from committing willful sin. That is the reason for Romans 8:9. Study 2 Peter 1:2-11 for the true meaning of Grace - divine power.

 

[CharismaticLady]

My doctrine I dont have any its His. You do know why it is grace by faith, not by works, because men like to boast. we are all equal in Gods eyes, and we all receive the same grace, it is not metered out like a drug.

Now you're not making any sense. It is like we are in two different conversations

 

[justbyfaith]

Why do you believe we are under the 613 laws? I don't even know what they are. What does Paul mean that we are not under the law? Is he speaking of another law than the 613? We can't take advantage of God's Grace, because it doesn't mean unmerited favor as if God is the author of sin, but rather Grace is the POWER OF GOD given to us to PREVENT us from committing willful sin. That is the reason for Romans 8:9. Study 2 Peter 1:2-11 for the true meaning of Grace - divine power.

@CharismaticLady,

If you are relying on your not sinning as being your salvation, then you need to realize that all 613 laws apply as definers of sin (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Romans 3:19-20, 1 John 3:4, Matthew 5:18-19) and if you are in violation of any one of them, you are a sinner. Maybe God will open your ears one day so you can read this (you will take me off of Ignore and you will come back and read this post). Not even those who are circumcised keep the law (Galatians 6:13).

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Why do you believe we are under the 613 laws? I don't even know what they are. What does Paul mean that we are not under the law? Is he speaking of another law than the 613? We can't take advantage of God's Grace, because it doesn't mean unmerited favor as if God is the author of sin, but rather Grace is the POWER OF GOD given to us to PREVENT us from committing willful sin. That is the reason for Romans 8:9. Study 2 Peter 1:2-11 for the true meaning of Grace - divine power.

If you think I put ANY Faith in Commandment- Keeping, Be it the Ten Commandments or all 613 Of Moses Law—- you could not be Farther from the Truth. Are you sure you got the correct Poster? Lol....When it comes to the Law—- Obedience To it is a very Good thing! It will make you a “ moral person”, and that is MUCH better than being a bad, mean person.....
Unfortunately, God is not looking for Moral People. God is looking for Sinners that know and admit that they are Sinners —— Wretched, Lost and KNOW that Without Jesus, they are headed very quickly for a Hell That is well deserved ....
The Law might keep the unregenerate man “ in- line”.That’s about all it is good for....The Law does not Save nor does it keep anybody Saved ....It was given to Man so that Sin “ would Increase”.... Paul said the Law was “ weak and Useless” for Salvation because it had NO POWER to SAVE Anybody....all the Law can do is Condemn.....
The True Purpose Of The Law was to “ shut you up” and admit that you can’t keep it — you must allow Jesus to Save you......The Law shows you that you are “ dirty” .....Turn to Jesus ( Repent) for the ....Cleansing that only HE can do....By His Grace, He will make you “ Fit For Heaven”
The “ cleansing” is NOT to make you “ Good Enough” or “ Worthy” Of Salvation—- these things are part of the Sanctification Process whereby God does as He Promised to do — TRANSFORM you into the Image Of His Son. You were Saved the moment you Believed Jesus Christ was the One that He climbed to be—- GOD’S Son and YOUR Savior. You “ come to Him” and He does the rest...God Bless....


Just to remove any doubt that I am a Legalist in the Dear Charismatic Lady’s Mind.....let me say this.....as far as I am concerned the Law is dead....it is Useless ....like her, I seldom, if ever , give it any thought.....it has completed its mission in my life.....the Holy Spirit used it to convict me of Sin and it lead me to Jesus.Yep.....I’m done with the Law.Now , I will gladly “ pay it forward” to anyone who needs to see that they are a Hell- bound Sinner without the Blood Of Jesus..

 

[CharismaticLady]

If you think I put ANY Faith in Commandment- Keeping, Be it the Ten Commandments or all 613 Of Moses Law—- you could not be Farther from the Truth. Are you sure you got the correct Poster? Lol....When it comes to the Law—- Obedience To it is a very Good thing! It will make you a “ moral person”, and that is MUCH better than being a bad, mean person.....
Unfortunately, God is not looking for Moral People. God is looking for Sinners that know and admit that they are Sinners —— Wretched, Lost and KNOW that Without Jesus, they are headed very quickly for a Hell That is well deserved ....
The Law might keep the unregenerate man “ in- line”.That’s about all it is good for....The Law does not Save nor does it keep anybody Saved ....It was given to Man so that Sin “ would Increase”.... Paul said the Law was “ weak and Useless” for Salvation because it had NO POWER to SAVE Anybody....all the Law can do is Condemn.....
The True Purpose Of The Law was to “ shut you up” and admit that you can’t keep it — you must allow Jesus to Save you......The Law shows you that you are “ dirty” .....Turn to Jesus ( Repent) for the ....Cleansing that only HE can do....By His Grace, He will make you “ Fit For Heaven”
The “ cleansing” is NOT to make you “ Good Enough” or “ Worthy” Of Salvation—- these things are part of the Sanctification Process whereby God does as He Promised to do — TRANSFORM you into the Image Of His Son. You were Saved the moment you Believed Jesus Christ was the One that He climbed to be—- GOD’S Son and YOUR Savior. You “ come to Him” and He does the rest...God Bless....


Just to remove any doubt that I am a Legalist in the Dear Charismatic Lady’s Mind.....let me say this.....as far as I am concerned the Law is dead....it is Useless ....like her, I seldom, if ever , give it any thought.....it has completed its mission in my life.....the Holy Spirit used it to convict me of Sin and it lead me to Jesus.Yep.....I’m done with the Law.Now , I will gladly “ pay it forward” to anyone who needs to see that they are a Hell- bound Sinner without the Blood Of Jesus..

Oh, then I'm quite mistaken it seems. I was responding to this in #134:

"Believers Should NOT break any of the Laws Of God .....but they do. Believers CAN and DO take advantage of God's Grace, whether they know it or not and whether they want to admit it or not."

I read this post and agree for the most part, except I would take it much further and change some semantics.

Yes, we first must see ourselves as sinners in light of the laws of God, it's purpose. But I want to know if you would agree with me that Jesus does not let God's children stay actual sinners. And I don't mean imputed righteousness either, but actual righteousness. Do you know how this is accomplished? I do, but first want your answer.