THE REAL PARABLE OF THE FIG TREE

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Matthew 24:32 was answering the question when? When would the end of the visitation of the father's iniquities be, and when would the start of the age be when Israel would be redeemed. The question asked was, Tell us,” they said, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?
Please (everyone) start annotating which bible translation you are copying and pasting from. For example, see the italic notation "kjv" ?

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? kjv

or maybe put it in parenthesis as well...

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? (kjv)
 

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The end of the age and the sign of His coming is not the Day of the Lord. The sign of His coming occurs at the 6th seal and not the 7th trumpet.

The day of the Lord, is Not a single (24 hr) Day.

The Day of the Lord, is The Lords Authority to Act.

Authority, is established by POWER.

Whose Power is Supreme Above All?
Gods.

Who gave His Word, Authority to Speak, and a name, (Jesus) and Titles (Lord, Teacher, etc.)
God.

Who gave His POWER to another To Act on His Behalf?
God, Gave His Power to Jesus and God Named His Power Christ.

What was Gods First Act of Revealing His Word to man?
Gen 3:
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[3] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
[4] And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Lord Jesus, the Word of God…John 1:1
Christ Jesus, the Power of God…1 Cor 1:24

The DAY of the Lord, (Christ the Lord Jesus) has been actively involved, with the lives of Humans (generation after generation) since the Beginning of manKIND.

The Lord Jesus, was SENT to Earth, MANY times, appearing “AS A MAN”.

The Last Time He was Sent to Earth (as a man), His Name JESUS and His Title CHRIST was revealed….
* And called Two Things…
The (prepared visible flesh) Son of Man.
The (the invisible Spirit / Power) Son of God.

Then He Returned To His Place of Origin…
Gods Estate…
“The Heaven” (above the Heaven-S) where no human man can go or has been.
Opposed to… ( the 3 Heaven-S) AKA. Gods Kingdom, Throne, where human men, departed human souls, departed human spirits…. Have, Can, Go.

A Preached, Revealed, Teaching IS the Son of Man Shall Return To EARTH.

Before He Return TO Earth (Visible to be Seen by “ALL” eyes (human and spirits) IS the “visible Son of Man”…

He Descends From Heaven, TO the Clouds and REDEEMS (Calls to HIS Faithful) To come TO Him.

He and His Faithful MEET Face to face, To See Each as They ARE ( Spirit ).

With HIS wholly, whole, holy Faithful and With HIS Holy Angels ( invisible to natural human eyes)…
HE, (in the visible Likeness As A human Son of man)
Goes With His (unseen, by human eyes, Faithful and angels ) To A Single White Cloud, for ALL to See.

SITTING ON A WHITE CLOUD IN The Air.
Rev 14:14

It is Thereafter… He Shall Return TO EARTH in the Body God Prepared (as a human), With His (unseen faithful and angels)…
TO claim His “Earthly “Kingdom …
(Abraham’s promised LAND),
“His Throne” …
(king Davids Throne God Established Forever),
“His Title”
( King of kings).

His “faithful With Him”, are They He Redeemed, gathered, Raptured, and remain with Him forever, wherever He is, so Also are They.

1 Thes 4:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Every Act Christ the Lord Accomplishes, IS according TO His Authority, His Power, His Day.

And “His Day”, for Generations of humans, HAS Day after Day Effected, Impacted Humans.

And benevolent faithful men SHALL SEE Christ the Lord AS HE IS (Spirit), long Before,
The Return of the Prepared Flesh Likeness “Son of Man” Is Sitting on a white cloud, and “Returns” TO Earth.

The Lord Descending, Coming, IS NOT A “Return TO Earth”, until He sets His Feet ON the Earth.


Glory to God,
Taken
 

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Do a google search for "global average life span of a man". Check out the AI result as... 70-71.

Yes.
You are talking about “a span” of years of Expectation people will generally Live.

I was NOT talking about HOW LONG a person might live….
Rather WHEN a NEW Generation BEGINS…
Which IS generally when “a previous generation is in their 20’s, 30’s. Have an offspring.

Once a person in their 20’s / 30’s have an offspring… They Have Established Generated…a “new Generation”!

If it is Average… people begin having offsprings at 30 yrs old… then A generation would broadly be 30 years.

Generating a life, has nothing to do with how long that Life lives.
 

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The day of the Lord, is Not a single (24 hr) Day.

The Day of the Lord, is The Lords Authority to Act.
The Day of the Lord occurs in one 24 day. It is destruction from the almighty.

The Day of Vengeance lasts for ONE YEAR.

The DAY of the Lord, (Christ the Lord Jesus) has been actively involved, with the lives of Humans (generation after generation) since the Beginning of manKIND.
The Day of the Lord is when Jesus returns as a thief in the night. It will be sudden destruction.
Before He Return TO Earth (Visible to be Seen by “ALL” eyes (human and spirits) IS the “visible Son of Man”…

He Descends From Heaven, TO the Clouds and REDEEMS (Calls to HIS Faithful) To come TO Him.

He and His Faithful MEET Face to face, To See Each as They ARE ( Spirit ).

With HIS wholly, whole, holy Faithful and With HIS Holy Angels ( invisible to natural human eyes)…
HE, (in the visible Likeness As A human Son of man)
Goes With His (unseen, by human eyes, Faithful and angels ) To A Single White Cloud, for ALL to See.

SITTING ON A WHITE CLOUD IN The Air.
Rev 14:14
Revelation 14:14 is the second coming when all eyes see the coming of the Lord. It is not the second advent when Jesus sets His feet on the Mount of Olives after Armageddon at the Day of the Lord.

Revelation 14:14-19 is the second harvest that occurs at the 6th seal when the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman, are raptured at the last trump blown on the Feast of Trumpets, the fall fruit harvest feast. This is when He sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. This is also the coming of Jesus seen in Matthew 24.

Believers are taken to heaven for the marriage supper during the ONE YEAR wrath of God.
1 Thes 4:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
This is the rapture of the Church, the first harvest, when the Lord Himself comes for His bride. This is when the Lord returns for the alive that remain in the summer wheat harvest.
 

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I'm just telling like it is, letting the chips fall where they may. And I can see right through you, I'm not fooled one bit. By their fruits you shall know them my Lord Jesus said. And if you can't even remain in His Word line upon line, but instead push a bunch of junk from men's doctrines, then your fruit is bare for all to see.

LOL… transparency is Obvious.
Broad Accusations is your gig…
Lack of proof is your fruit.

Your Accusation…

You are NOT teaching Jesus' teachings

Your Identifying …
What teaching you are talking about…?
Missing.

Your Proof ?(of some secret missing identified claim)
Missing.

My claims are in my words…
Quote me, what you claim is Not Scriptural teaching.

Need a Starting point?

I said:
Jesus’ Teachings…
* Are all Truths…
And again…
As I clearly said: “ALL of Jesus Teachings ARE Truths.”


Be noble …Stand up for your accusations…
Show them, prove them.
 

Taken

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I'm just telling like it is, letting the chips fall where they may. And I can see right through you, I'm not fooled one bit. By their fruits you shall know them my Lord Jesus said. And if you can't even remain in His Word line upon line, but instead push a bunch of junk from men's doctrines, then your fruit is bare for all to see.

LOL… transparency and lack thereof is Obvious.
Broad Accusations is your gig…
Lack of proof is your fruit.

Your Accusation…

You are NOT teaching Jesus' teachings

Your Identifying …
What teaching you are talking about…?
Missing.

Your Proof ?(of some secret missing identified claim)
Missing.

My claims are in my words…
Quote me, what you claim is Not Scriptural teaching.

Need a Starting point?

I said:
Jesus teaching is all truths.
As I clearly said: “ALL of Jesus Teachings ARE Truths.”

Your proof that is not true?
 

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The Day of the Lord occurs in one 24 day. It is destruction from the almighty.

The Day of Vengeance lasts for ONE YEAR.


The Day of the Lord is when Jesus returns as a thief in the night. It will be sudden destruction.

Revelation 14:14 is the second coming when all eyes see the coming of the Lord. It is not the second advent when Jesus sets His feet on the Mount of Olives after Armageddon at the Day of the Lord.

Revelation 14:14-19 is the second harvest that occurs at the 6th seal when the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman, are raptured at the last trump blown on the Feast of Trumpets, the fall fruit harvest feast. This is when He sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. This is also the coming of Jesus seen in Matthew 24.

Believers are taken to heaven for the marriage supper during the ONE YEAR wrath of God.

This is the rapture of the Church, the first harvest, when the Lord Himself comes for His bride. This is when the Lord returns for the alive that remain in the summer wheat harvest.

Disagree with most / specific manner of what you say.

2 Pet 3:
[8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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Funny how you'd think I would fall for that Ellen White junk. She predicted the time of Jesus' return for the 1800's and failed. The day for a year application is meant ONLY in Scripture where God gave it, NOT with man toying with it for his own aims to try and measure prophecy, like you have done.

I agree with you that Ellen White got her prediction of when Jesus' return would be and that 1800's prediction came about because she used the wrong signpost/event from which she made her predictive claim. How ever, her use of a years for a prophetic day is not wrong if we are able to correctly establish the starting point for that time period and then arrive at the right conclusion.

Now, using scripture only, from the Old Testament, it is possible to arrive at the end of this present world before it is refurbished. My understanding arrives at the same conclusion as if I had simply used the actual length of an age and multiplied it by seven.

Now, to use a mathematical formula to calculate the total time span from the year 0 when Adam was created up to and until the end of this present world as we know it, requires us to know the year with respect to our present calendar for us to come to the right conclusion and sadly Ussler's Chronology arrived at the wrong BC date for when Adam was created and as such 4,004 BC is wrong to use. However, Ussler's brother in-law arrived at a much closer understanding of when Adam was created but his assumption that Christ was born in the year 7 BC meant that his chronology was in error as well as to when Adam was created.

In establishing my Chronology of the Old Testament, my conclusion indicated that Adam was born in the year 4,100 BC based upon the generally accepted assumption that Christ was born in the year 4 BC. When establishing my chronology of the Old Testament I discovered that there were multiply 1,024-year-block periods in my Chronology.

Now Davy, your slur is not called for nor is your assumption that you are the only one who understands God truth.

Most people understand that the sign of the Fig Tree was the re-establishment of the nation of Israel in the land of Canaan as prophesised in Genesis 15:16a in their own strength without any assistance directly from God. We also know that usually around 5 days before the 'official' end of winter, that deciduous trees begin to bud leaves again after losing them at the end of the Autum Season. Now a four Seasons have an average duration of 91 days, i.e. 365/4=91.25, and if we add the early spring duration to this, we have 96 day until the 'official' summer season. Now using the year for a prophetic day rule we can confidently state that the end of this present Age is the year block 2044 AD and the start of the seventh Age/Generation, as per Gen 15:16 LXX Greek translation, is the year block 2045 AD.

Now all of the Mt Olivet discourse in Matthew 24-25 will unfold over the duration of the Seventh Age/Generation.

Davy, if you are unhappy with the above and want to disparage the post, then choose your words carefully as they will reflect on your character more so than on mine.

Shalom
 

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Please (everyone) start annotating which bible translation you are copying and pasting from. For example, see the italic notation "kjv" ?

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? kjv

or maybe put it in parenthesis as well...

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? (kjv)
Oh Douggggggie, I had used the ESV which had translated G:0165 as age, which is not in keeping with the KSV which translated αἰῶνος as "world" whereas it would have been better translated as "ages" to have been in step with the ESV. The actual meaning of αἰῶνος is "age of the ages."

The context of the translations is not lost from the original Greek text for the KSV or the ESV as you are wanting to suggest.


Goodbye Douggggggggie
 
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LOL… transparency is Obvious.
Broad Accusations is your gig…
Lack of proof is your fruit.

Your Accusation…



Your Identifying …
What teaching you are talking about…?
Missing.

Your Proof ?(of some secret missing identified claim)
Missing.

My claims are in my words…
Quote me, what you claim is Not Scriptural teaching.

Need a Starting point?

I said:
Jesus’ Teachings…
* Are all Truths…
And again…
As I clearly said: “ALL of Jesus Teachings ARE Truths.”


Be noble …Stand up for your accusations…
Show them, prove them.

As I showed, you are good at personal attacks, but lousy at providing Bible Scripture proof for what you teach, which is junk.
 

Davy

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I agree with you that Ellen White got her prediction of when Jesus' return would be and that 1800's prediction came about because she used the wrong signpost/event from which she made her predictive claim. How ever, her use of a years for a prophetic day is not wrong if we are able to correctly establish the starting point for that time period and then arrive at the right conclusion.

Her use of years for a day is wrong, because if God did not say it in the specific prophecy, then it is not to be applied. In Ezekiel 4 is where she got that idea from, and there it applies because God gave it as part of THAT particular prophecy. That doesn't mean just apply it as a continuous formula for the rest of Bible prophecy.

That kind of working is one of the traditions of the orthodox unbelieving Jews who fell to Kabbalistic OCCULT doctrines while captive in Babylon. They call it Gematria, which assigns a number value to each Hebrew character, in which the values are added up for a word and it supposedly gives a hidden meaning. It's the basis of the Bible Codes book that came out years ago, and of Jewish mysticism, the Kabbalah.
 

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Disagree with most / specific manner of what you say.

2 Pet 3:
[8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken
Totally out of context. This has nothing to do with the day of vengeance which lasts ONE YEAR.

It also has nothing to do with the Day of the Lord which occurs in a 24 hour day.