The rise of the Image of the Beast, America corrupted.

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Hobie

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At the end of the day it's people who are not with God that brings about the demise in fact ! regardless of the Biblical story, that is the reason why they became sick and depraved, so that's the key to why they fell.

Did God bring about Hitler and Stalin for example, i believe such was the works of man in fact and Carnal and religious people fell for it all period ! The lesson could of been learnt regarding why such happened and all, but the majority never learnt the reality of such in fact ! so all them people died in vain in fact ! everyone who was in the Military on both sides Lost in fact and all of their lives were lost for nothing in fact ! for nowadays we will repeat the mistakes of the past because this generation never truly learnt from the past mistakes in fact ! because this world is full of deceptions and delusions in fact ! and the Governments are in fact only cunning trash who only work so as to use the people as dupes and call such useful idiots ! who can easy be lead down the garden path in fact !

Socialism created a Government that is above God in fact !
Capitalist works to prop up the rich. that's their god ?
Both do not want the majority truly educated for they want to control you ?
But the one in Christ Jesus is free from this world, that is lead by dupes. for such a one has a handle on the issue.
Thats why Gods people will be taken to heaven and the wicked left behind, but many are being told they will stay here on earth rather than go to the mansions prepared for them.
John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
 

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You think wrong regarding Socialism just people socialing, for Hitler was a Socialist and he was doing just that ! Same in regards to Communism ! Such is enslavement in fact of the people by the Government and is an offence to Gods people who are free !
Remember Holy Moses said Set my people free ! why was they you may ask ? because Gods people are not to be Slaves, to the works of Man !
Such who govern the people have set themselves above God ! for they are trash and an abomination a cruse ! the only way is down for them.
Godless people have no hope ! they become like savager's and deranged depraved low life. or like Chooks.


Okay. Do you feel oppressed by the country you live in?
 

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Many like to incorperate america into the biblical narrative; its impossible to do so. Its just really resentment for the country God put them in. While all the while their home should be in heaven not here, yet we do live on this world.
 

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Thats why Gods people will be taken to heaven and the wicked left behind, but many are being told they will stay here on earth rather than go to the mansions prepared for them.
John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
All that relates to spiritual bodies, even unbelievers will recieve a resurrected body. Unless Jesus was wrong about that too.
 

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We cant escape living in the confines of this world; it doesnt mean you have to promote evil.
 

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Thats why Gods people will be taken to heaven and the wicked left behind, but many are being told they will stay here on earth rather than go to the mansions prepared for them.
John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Thanks Hobie for the reminder that Jesus has gone ahead to prepare a place for us, a fantastic City, a Holy City, the New Jerusalem. I love to think about this amazing City we, by faith, call home and in time we will walk through one of those 12 gates, through the 20 foot thick jasper wall and call out to God, "Father, I'm home!" Isn't this a fantastic hope as this is where we get to spend a never ending existence with our Saviour and Father.
 

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All that relates to spiritual bodies, even unbelievers will recieve a resurrected body. Unless Jesus was wrong about that too.
No, the saints will be bodily resurrected and taken to heaven. As for the 'unbelievers', need to read closer to see what Christ reveals..

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
 
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No, the saints will be bodily resurrected and taken to heaven. As for the 'unbelievers', need to read closer to see what Christ reveals..

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Oh yes, people have their part in it but thankful it's not forever. It's Jesus that said, that resurrection of condemnation, and resurrection of life are resurrection which are given. You can attest to people being bodily resurrected, however I tend to disbelieve that we are raised up in a body that is normal and not spiritual. Because for me, going to be where God is, it's all spiritual, because God is spirit, and we to will be changed into new spiritual bodies.

You share some parts of revelation, however not all of it, which does state that there are unbelievers outside the kingdom, no matter how many times people suggest that faithless people are done away with, they can't remove what is written there about it. Which to me is very interesting, it seems to perhaps give us something to do in the heavenly realm? Perhaps go outside the kingdom and help people come into that lake of fire which is love from God, which the part of them which decides to seek even in the afterlife, will be purged and then whats left perhaps they will be able to get into the kingdom. The gates never close day or night, and the spirit and bride are always calling, therefore God is always calling, for people to come to the truth about his Son, even in the afterlife.

It's all predicated on faith, hope, and Gods love and choices which he rightly judges, and of course it's to believe that Jesus has the keys to all death, and death and hades have been cast away. Those are things which are talked about also in the Revelation.

A very important thing to do for anyone in short summary, is to really read Revelation outloud to oneself, forget everything you ever been taught, and consider the audience, and the language which the Lord Jesus uses, it's like not even the same Jesus that was with them before at all... He even says this.

Message to Thyatira​


Revelation 2:18-29 An address to the fourth mentioned establishment of the church in Thyatira, which was a messenge for the messenger to read out to all the congregation, so I imagine that these seven churches heard the Revelation out loud, and in settings, and would be encouraged to study, and to review it comparing it along also the old testament, because so much of the Revelation is pertaining to the Old Testament, and the Nation of Israel, now who you may believe that John is writing to is up to you, yes they are believers however, they are a certain section of believers, I do believe gets poorly treated when it comes to the people whom were the blameless, pure, bride which would be taken up first to establish the kingdom of heaven, including the judgement upon the nation of Israel for having killed the Son of God, and the great and dreadful day of the LORD, had come upon them as they entered into the last days, until the final day which destruction occured, with those who were waiting and watching and believed not only the Apostles, but believed in Yahava, and they believed in the message that he was going to come rescue them from a great tribulation which would occur with-in 40 years, of when Jesus told the 4 disciples, all the signs and occurings which would cause meaning to continue to believe and trust that he would be coming back to get them.​

18 “And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write:

The Son of God, who has [i]eyes like a flame of fire, and [j]feet like burnished bronze, says this:
This line reminds me of what is said in Daniel about the Son of Man. Daniel 7:13-14
19 ‘I know your deeds, and your love and faith, and service and [k]perseverance, and that your [l]deeds of late are greater than [m]at first.
Jesus mentions of knowing their deeds, and their love, and faith, and service, and perseverance, and that their deeds of late are greater than the first time when they had first heard the message of the Lord Jesus Christ, and continue to stay faithful, and persevere in love trusting Yahava to be their to help them by the spirit.
20 But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond-servants astray so that they commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.
However, Jesus has this against them, whom are tolerating the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teachs and leads my bond-severances astray so they commit sexual immorality and eating things sacrifce to idols.

It's possible that in that day in age, this was going on at the church there in Thyatira. Jesus send a messenge concerning to stop tolerating the woman for a moment in order to renew their minds, towards heavenly things, and to not forsake him for idols, or sexual pleasures the flesh craves.
21 I gave her time to repent, and she does not want to repent of her sexual immorality.
Jesus states, he has given her time to repent, and she does not want to repent of her sexual immorality.
22 Behold, I will throw her on a bed of sickness, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of [n]her deeds.
Those who mingle with these habits of sexual immorality, and hording onto idols, the judgement which is seen by the Lord Jesus, is tossing her on a bed of sickness, and those who commit adultery with her, are also placed in a great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with [o]plague, and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the [p]minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds.
JEsus states, he will kill her children, with plague, and all the churches will know that I am he who searched the minds and the hearts; and I will give you each one according to your deeds.

Jesus here is maintaining a promise for those who are going with this Jeezbel person, who calls herself a prophet, and enticing people to stray away from God. Jesus is also telling those who are falling under her snare, to no longer tolerate her wiles. That Jesus will judge each of them according to their own deeds, so it's a call to mindfulness to put Yahava first, and to love God first, and love others, and focus towards heavenly rewards and heavenly treasures which will be happening to us all one day as we leave this life.
24 But I say to you, the rest who are in Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching, who have not known the deep things of Satan, as they call them—I place no other burden on you.
Jesus goes on to state to the rest of the people who are in Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching, who have not know the deep things of Satan, as they call them--

I place no other burden on you.
25 Nevertheless what you have, hold firmly until I come.
Nevertheless what you have, hold firmly until I come.
26 The one who overcomes, and the one who keeps My deeds until the end, I will give him authority over the [q]nations;
All that I can see here to mention is about overcoming, are those who keep the deeds of Christ, until the end; - there is some type of reward here, which I am not sure exactly how to take it.
27 and he shall [r]rule them with a rod of iron, as the vessels of the potter are shattered, as I also have received authority from My Father;
Again, not sure how to take this, in which Jesus is mentioning there to those specfic people.
28 and I will give him the morning star.

29 The one who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’

Thank you @Hobie whether anyone considers the information or not, it was good to write this all out for people to view if they choose to, its important to study, learn, grow, and see.
 
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Thats why Gods people will be taken to heaven and the wicked left behind, but many are being told they will stay here on earth rather than go to the mansions prepared for them.
John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
It's not the World that is the problem in fact.

It's the people who are worldly who are Lost in fact for they do not have the Holy Spirit in fact.

The Anti-Christ is here, remember the Serpent that worked to create deceptions and delusions ?

Now as to ones death ? one will go to Hell or Heaven ? now the one who is Anti-Christ has no hope. This type is a curse in fact regarding God in fact for they are Lost in fact !

This World is Paradise in fact ! but for the delusions and deceptions undermine the people, such is a curse ! a blight on all.

If one was with Christ Jesus then your intentions are for the World to become the Kingdom of God in fact !

If one claims to believe in God ? does he not know who Christ Jesus truly is, or is such just a claim ? for little faith is good but the Bible says Oh you of little faith in fact ! so that's not worthy is it ? for the weeds of this world will grow up and strangle that faith in fact, but can the weeds strangle the Faith that the Bible says is the Faith that can move Mountains ?
So why would a Priest only preach little faith ? such a one is only luke warm in fact.
But you need to be on fire for Christ Jesus in fact, because this is first and foremost in your life in fact, for everything comes after is of God !

You may be correct, i think that their will be lesser and greater in them Mansions ?
 

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Well, I was in the general discussion and with all the political turmoil it came to me what history shows, and it that the more things get shaken and confused, the more people look for a 'strong' leader to take charge we know this opens the door to radical demagogue's who will appeal and arouse the mobs to push through their objectives whether they are good or bad for America. America is at a major crossroads and Biden rode in on mobs claiming racism and defund the police and now we have Trump rising in the polls, it seems either choice will destroy and shake apart the ideals and values America was founded upon I hate to say, and we see the 'image'....
 

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Many like to incorperate america into the biblical narrative; its impossible to do so. Its just really resentment for the country God put them in. While all the while their home should be in heaven not here, yet we do live on this world.
But you see the direction this country is being taken, and the absolute lawlessness spreading all through America, to say nothing of the spiritualism and demonic corruption being shown and indoctrinating the young people. We are basically no longer a Christian nation...
 
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But you see the direction this country is being taken, and the absolute lawlessness spreading all through America, to say nothing of the spiritualism and demonic corruption being shown and indoctrinating the young people. We are basically no longer a Christian nation...

We never were, Hobie. No such thing exist on earth. There is only the spiritually alive, partaking in the heavenly kingdom with fellowship with the Father and the Son, in hope, prayer, supplications, seeking out in faith, and worshipping God in spirit and in truth.

That is all that important to me… My short life, and focusing on what the “Nation” is doing, (which it’s undoubtedly understandable human beings do bad things, and those who seek for justice it’s meted out by God.)

My kingdom is not here on earth, nor was it Jesus’s kingdom supposed to be on earth except by and through hearts of those seeking the Heavenly Jerusalem which will become their home, and are adopted by Yahavah.



I don’t get why so many people continue to say “look at the world?” Yeah, it’s the world? What about changing it would make you more happy? The only thing that has changed is sins payment by Jesus and his raising again by God, in order to set a new world up which God is calling out to any and all, by the spirit to have newness of life in and through him if they desire that.

Yeah, the world is the world, my friend. Has anything changed as far as us human beings always desiring our own way? Rather than pick up the cross, which is a death sentence.

No, get that guy out here - said the Pharisees he needs to be put to death.
 

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But you see the direction this country is being taken, and the absolute lawlessness spreading all through America, to say nothing of the spiritualism and demonic corruption being shown and indoctrinating the young people. We are basically no longer a Christian nation...
We Never were a Christian nation. The bloodguilt has amassed to the heavens. 99% of all religion claiming to be christian aren't, they do not listen to Jesus.
 

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We Never were a Christian nation. The bloodguilt has amassed to the heavens. 99% of all religion claiming to be christian aren't, they do not listen to Jesus.
They have thrown out his Law and even those who claim to be his followers boast that God's Law has been done away with. Basically you have a 'lawless' country and wonder why the chaos is increasing.
Haiti, one of your neighbouring countries has given themselves over to witchcraft and lawlessness and look what is becoming of it.
 
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In its infancy, the US was founded on Christian principles, even though there were deists, spiritualists, Freemasons, and self serving industrialists and exploiters in the mix. Prophecy informs us that the US was given to Christianity as a safe haven for their practise, no longer having to worry about papal or royal overbearing authoritarian persecuting powers. A nation without a king, and a religion without a Pope. This did not make it a theocracy or a "Christian nation", but it's founding principles gave everyone the opportunity to live in peace and worship in accordance to conscience, or not worship without penalty.
However, these freedoms were granted the Christian faith not to live selfishly and in rebellion against God's laws. Despite warnings from some great religious leaders of the past, Christianity in the US has gone the way of ancient Israel. They have made void the laws of God, and in their present inevitable lack of spiritual power, witnessing in their midst, both in society and in the church, a worldliness and shallowness of character that reflect the apostate state of affairs in mediaeval Europe. Violence, idolatry, superstition, a form of godliness without the power.
To supply that lack of power in spiritual matters, they are looking to government, and plans are now well advanced in expectation of a Trump presidency next year, to unite with the state in order to implement legislation forcing a so called righteousness upon everyone that they may boast before God, "look what we've done".
Hearts will not change. Lives will not reflect the character of Christ. Politicking will replace prayer. A socialist fascist state will replace personal giving. And all the freedoms and liberty of conscience and worship will be trampled underfoot by a church/state union in the image of papal Rome.
 
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They have thrown out his Law and even those who claim to be his followers boast that God's Law has been done away with. Basically you have a 'lawless' country and wonder why the chaos is increasing.
Haiti, one of your neighbouring countries has given themselves over to witchcraft and lawlessness and look what is becoming of it.
Govts and false religions cause division-- Jesus taught-love, peace and unity.
Todays world because of govts and false religionssssssssssss= 2Timothy 3--govts and false religions are standing in opposition to Jesus. When Jesus comes at Rev 19:11- Rev 16 occurs-EVERY kingdom( govt, armies, supporters) are all mislead to stand in opposition to Jesus= 99% on earth minimum. just like now as well.
 

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Our Government leadership in the West is full of Satanist and queers and they promote such in fact, not to mention demand such of everyone in fact.

Now i have some regard to some gays issues that may be valid but i do not swallow everything they peddle at all, but that makes me an enemy of the State according to the Governments of today's world, even Putin went against this all embracing depravity and stopped at the point regarding children being groomed by such degenerates and the West Governments went and turned against Putin for not being on the same decay.

Putin stood up to the Satanic West powers on that subject, as to children being subjected to such deranged depravity, he stood in and stopped such by Law. but as to the age that is of consent queers are free in Putin's Russia, but that is not enough for the West who demands total depravity but Putin is the only one who had the guts to stand up to all of the creeps that are undermining children.

Communist Russia had went down the same path that the West is heading, Putin said this years ago ! and that Russia learn all this the hard way, they understand the total depravity of Socialism is a cancer !
For only depraved people want to dictate over the people and so it's if they can make the children depraved like Nazi Germany did ! that's the key to their game. Such is It's a different tactic ? but the same old game that's at play ! But it's The intent is the same ! creating a type of army of fools.

So we now have a whole generation of totally brainwashed younger people, who's only thing that they learnt was Gay rights were at the highest priority, that is totally above everything, nothing comes higher regards not even God ! for this is their god !

Nowadays if one objects to children being brainwashed by depravity, you will come under fire from the MSM the Governments and all the morons !

We are living under Nazi type morons who do not respect others opinions at all and that is the Key problem that is at hand in the West, for we are being dictated over in fact !
But we once valued other peoples opinions or the right to say any such even if you thought them wrong ! That was when we once had pride in real freedom free from Nazi or Communist rubbish dominating over everyone like a total moron.
We getting to the end of 'civilization' in America to say nothing of Christianity...

"The White House on Friday announced "transgender day of visibility" for March 31, which this year falls on Easter Sunday.

"NOW, THEREFORE, I, JOSEPH R. BIDEN JR., President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim March 31, 2024, as Transgender Day of Visibility," President Biden wrote in a Friday statement. "I call upon all Americans to join us in lifting up the lives and voices of transgender people throughout our Nation and to work toward eliminating violence and discrimination based on gender identity."

And its being done purposely as a matter of policy...'Since its inception, the Biden administration has made LGBT activism a cornerstone of its policy priorities. Biden boasted in his statement that he appointed transgender leaders to his administration and ended the ban on transgender Americans serving openly in the military.'...MSN
 
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We getting to the end of 'civilization' in America to say nothing of Christianity...

"The White House on Friday announced "transgender day of visibility" for March 31, which this year falls on Easter Sunday.

"NOW, THEREFORE, I, JOSEPH R. BIDEN JR., President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim March 31, 2024, as Transgender Day of Visibility," President Biden wrote in a Friday statement. "I call upon all Americans to join us in lifting up the lives and voices of transgender people throughout our Nation and to work toward eliminating violence and discrimination based on gender identity."

And its being done purposely as a matter of policy...'Since its inception, the Biden administration has made LGBT activism a cornerstone of its policy priorities. Biden boasted in his statement that he appointed transgender leaders to his administration and ended the ban on transgender Americans serving openly in the military.'...MSN
Its all politics, to get votes. Yes every govt on earth stands in opposition to Gods king and Gods will. ALL voting for them will go down with them-Dan 2:44-Rev 16