The saints of Israel

[VictoryinJesus]

The "lake of fire" event of Rev.20 is still future. That won't happen until after Christ's future thousand years reign with His elect.

Our Lord Jesus is not ruling over the nations with the rod of iron just yet. That will only begin when He returns.

The lake of fire ...death is cast into. Then can you help answer my questions. The word says sin reigned. Corruption has already had its reign but even as sin reigned ...grace must reign UNTO eternal life by Jesus Christ. (Romans 5:21)

Death reigned from Adam to Moses ...through the offense of one many be dead...for the judgment was by one to condemnation,...but the gift of life is of many offences unto justification ...abounding and “reign” ing is grace.
(Romans 5:14-16)

Philippians 3:20-21 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: [21] Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Psalm 2:7-9 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. [8] Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. [9] Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

That is now? Explain to me when he stops reigning and putting ALL things under his feet, bring all things into subjection and subduing Revelation 2:26-27 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: [27] And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
...what does “even as I received of my Father” mean to you? “The Son learned obedience through the things He suffered.”

1 Corinthians 15:24-26 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. [25] For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. [26] The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

So HE comes in some future event to set up reign (there is the ministration of condemnation and the ministration of righteousness) which will this future Reign be under, where He begins to reign and those worthy on “thrones” with him? Is not the ruling with Him now from the heart? He already reigns in bringing down every high thing exalted above the knowledge of Jesus Christ and the height and depth of His love which surpasses all knowledge. Bringing all things into captivity and subjection to the truth that is Him. Death the last to be destroyed. Proverbs 23:13-14 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. [14] Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. <how have we distorted that one?

Romans 16:20
[20] And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

Does He put on the war hat soon...or does He already break and bruise the enemy in “good overcomes evil”.
James 3:17-18 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. [18] And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

 

[Davy]

Ok. Not saying I’m right because most likely you are right. But in studying no where does it appear our hope is waiting in expectation for future breaking to begin...where those oppressed inherit those who oppressed them to “rule over them” from his throne to oppress those who oppressed. Where does the end come??? Why does all creation wait in pangs of deliverance from corruption and death into the hands of the Son’s of God who are born of a quickened ‘“life giving” spirit? When He came to not be served but to serve. What are we waiting to inherit?

Well, yes there is Scripture in the New Testament for the time when Christ will return and reign over the nations, with His elect. I quoted it from Revelation 2, which it was first written of in Psalms 2. It is repeated in Rev.12 and Rev.19, and Rev.20 shows it in action, so there's no mistaking it if one simply reads the New Testament Book of Revelation. Even Apostle Paul proclaimed Christ's future reign over His enemies in 1 Cor.15:23-28, again New Testament Scripture. So where have you been not knowing about this?

 

[Davy]

I have updated my understanding.You see it makes perfect sence for Israels decedents should reign over the nstions as God has said for I understand who overcomes the beast.I also understand who is the beast.

Gods word makes perfect sense. You should try to understand why God gives Israels direct decendents athority to reign over the nations in the Lords land.

Isaiah 14:2 The nations will escort Israel and bring it to its homeland. Then the house of Israel will possess the nations as menservants and maidservants in the LORD's land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors.


You might even realize what you seem to be missing in Israel today.Maybe you will understand after Netayahus cashless society is implemented in,the coming months.

You are haughty, but your attitude will change. Christ's Church is God's Israel, and believing Gentiles are part of it.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Well, yes there is Scripture in the New Testament for the time when Christ will return and reign over the nations, with His elect. I quoted it from Revelation 2, which it was first written of in Psalms 2. It is repeated in Rev.12 and Rev.19, and Rev.20 shows it in action, so there's no mistaking it if one simply reads the New Testament Book of Revelation. Even Apostle Paul proclaimed Christ's future reign over His enemies in 1 Cor.15:23-28, again New Testament Scripture. So where have you been not knowing about this?

Ok. Can you tell me in Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Is “even as I received of my Father” ...good?

 

[Davy]

The lake of fire ...death is cast into. Then can you help answer my questions. The word says sin reigned. Corruption has already had its reign but even as sin reigned ...grace must reign UNTO eternal life by Jesus Christ. (Romans 5:21)

Death reigned from Adam to Moses ...through the offense of one many be dead...for the judgment was by one to condemnation,...but the gift of life is of many offences unto justification ...abounding and “reign” ing is grace.
(Romans 5:14-16)

Philippians 3:20-21 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: [21] Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Shouldn't confuse Scripture about the future world to come with what our Lord Jesus accomplished in this present world at His 1st coming. His 1st coming was to die on the cross for the remission of sins of those who believe, to defeat the devil, not to literally reign over His enemies which is for His 2nd coming. This is why He is yet to claim His throne, which is the throne of David promised Him, an earthly throne. In the majority of NT passages our Lord Jesus at present is sitting on the right hand of The Father's Throne in Heaven.

Psalm 2:7-9 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. [8] Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. [9] Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

That is now? Explain to me when he stops reigning and putting ALL things under his feet, bring all things into subjection and subduing Revelation 2:26-27 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: [27] And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
...what does “even as I received of my Father” mean to you? “The Son learned obedience through the things He suffered.”

1 Corinthians 15:24-26 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. [25] For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. [26] The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

That rod of iron is for the future world to come, not this present world. If you are being told His reign over all His enemies with His elect is happening now, then you are being lied to.

So HE comes in some future event to set up reign (there is the ministration of condemnation and the ministration of righteousness) which will this future Reign be under, where He begins to reign and those worthy on “thrones” with him?

Yes, His LITERAL reign over ALL nations with His elect, is STILL FUTURE. If it were today already, then Jesus Christ would literally, de facto, be in Jerusalem today ruling over all nations. Do you see that? No, of course you don't. Now you can go into a closet, smoke some dope, and tell yourself He is now here ruling over the nations, basically believe whatever you want. And the preachers out there that teach He is here already reigning over all nations, they evidently do their dope smokin' prior to getting up to the pulpit to preach that baloney.

 

[Davy]

Ok. Can you tell me in Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Is “even as I received of my Father” ...good?

That idea, "even as I received of My Father" is about The Father giving His Son Authority, in final, to reign over all nations, wherein The Father is excepted in that reign.


I will show in parenthesis, in green, below which pronouns (He, Him) are referring to The Father or The Son:

1 Cor 15:23-28
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at His coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when He (Jesus) shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when He (Father) shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For He (Jesus) must reign, till He (Jesus) hath put all enemies under His (Jesus) feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For He (Father) hath put all things under His (Jesus) feet. But when He (Father) saith, all things are put under Him (Jesus), it is manifest that He (Father) is excepted, Which did put all things under Him (Jesus).

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto Him (Father), then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto Him (Father) That put all things under Him (Jesus), that God may be all in all.
KJV

Look especially at verse 27. Paul says there that The Father is 'excepted' in that reign He gave to Christ Jesus. That shows that literal period of Jesus' reign over all His enemies must happen first, before Jesus will deliver up the Kingdom to The Father, which Paul also shows there that delivering up of the Kingdom to The Father will only happen after the "last enemy" is destroyed. That last enemy is 'death' itself going into the future "lake of fire" and being no more (Rev.21:4). According to Rev.20, there will be those who will still be subject to the "second death" throughout that "thousand years" period, and the timing for that is in the world to come after Jesus' return some time in our future.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

That rod of iron is for the future world to come, not this present world.

Really...That rod is for the future world to come, not this present world? You haven’t been broken, turned upside down by the potter? That rod is for the world without ending to come... not this one? Isaiah 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Ephesians 3:21
[21] Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen. <<that world without the rod of iron is for and not this world? Think you may have it backwards.

Job 21:9
[9] Their houses are safe from fear, neither is the rod of God upon them.
...The rod of God came upon Jobs house.

.... “even as I received of my Father.” Hebrews 5:7-8 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; [8] Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

Revelation 2:27
[27] And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

 

[Davy]

Really...That rod is for the future world to come, not this present world? You haven’t been broken, turned upside down by the potter? That rod is for the world without ending to come... not this one? Isaiah 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Psalms 2 is where the prophecy of Christ's future reign with a rod of iron over the nations comes from.

Ps 2:6-9
6 Yet have I set My king upon My holy hill of Zion.
7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, 'Thou art My Son; this day have I begotten thee.'
8 Ask of Me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
KJV

Has not happened yet. That is for Christ's 2nd coming, which is still future.

Apparently, you do not believe the 2nd coming of Christ Jesus is still future??? Am I correct with assuming that about your belief???

 

[shilohsfoal]

You are haughty, but your attitude will change. Christ's Church is God's Israel, and believing Gentiles are part of it.

Scripture shows there is a difference between the decendents of the trelve tribes of Israel and the nations.You just dont know the diffetence.Maybe someday you will learn the difference and maybe not.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Psalms 2 is where the prophecy of Christ's future reign with a rod of iron over the nations comes from.

Ps 2:6-9
6 Yet have I set My king upon My holy hill of Zion.
7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, 'Thou art My Son; this day have I begotten thee.'
8 Ask of Me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
KJV

Has not happened yet. That is for Christ's 2nd coming, which is still future.

Apparently, you do not believe the 2nd coming of Christ Jesus is still future??? Am I correct with assuming that about your belief???

Don’t know what to believe Davy. Do I see Him ruling? No. Do I see much loving neighbor as you love yourself...not a lot. Is there still really ugliness in me ...too much. Has this house I used to find confidence and safety in been broken by the rod of God...I would say absolutely yes. “I shall give thee the heathen for your inheritance...” is this not the gentiles coming to Him who rises (rose)up to rule over them? And they will come to His light...the heathen, the despised, the foolish, the weak, the poor in Spirit. I’m a gentile I guess...an inheritance of the heathen...or hope so. I’ve seen Him rule over my enemies in doing what I can’t or couldn’t do in extending peace even if it is rejected. I’ve seen Him rule in the treasure laid up in Him can not be robbed or moth eaten. Still, you didn’t fully answer that I saw as to why the world without end to come created in Him would need the rod of iron and NOT this one.

 

[Davy]

Scripture shows there is a difference between the decendents of the trelve tribes of Israel and the nations.You just dont know the diffetence.Maybe someday you will learn the difference and maybe not.

Maybe you will one day begin to understand what Apostle Paul said who God's Israel is, in Romans 9.

Did you even catch there in Rom.9 where Paul quoted from Hosea to Roman Gentile believers on Christ Jesus?

Rom 9:24-26
24 Even us, whom He hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As He saith also in Osee, "I will call them My people, which were not My people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, 'Ye are not My people'; there shall they be called the children of the living God."
KJV

The underlined Scripture is Paul quoting from the Book of Hosea which was NOT... written to, nor about, Gentiles.

The Hosea prophecies were written to the "house of Israel" (ten tribed northern kingdom of Israel). Yet there in Romans 9, Paul is quoting that to Gentile believers on Christ Jesus, so what gives?

It's because with Christ's Church, like Paul also showed there, it is made up of both believing Israelites and believing Gentiles together as ONE BODY with Christ Jesus as HEAD over them all.

So when you speak of God's future Israel, you cannot... ever... exclude the believing Gentiles that have been graffed into The Root (Jesus).

 

[Davy]

Don’t know what to believe Davy. Do I see Him ruling? No. Do I see much loving neighbor as you love yourself...not a lot. Is there still really ugliness in me ...too much. Has this house I used to find confidence and safety in been broken by the rod of God...I would say absolutely yes. “I shall give thee the heathen for your inheritance...” is this not the gentiles coming to Him who rises (rose)up to rule over them? And they will come to His light...the heathen, the despised, the foolish, the weak, the poor in Spirit. I’m a gentile I guess...an inheritance of the heathen...or hope so. I’ve seen Him rule over my enemies in doing what I can’t or couldn’t do in extending peace even if it is rejected. I’ve seen Him rule in the treasure laid up in Him can not be robbed or moth eaten. Still, you didn’t fully answer that I saw as to why the world without end to come created in Him would need the rod of iron and NOT this one.

When we still see Christians being persecuted by this world, by nations, by peoples and world systems that hate Christ, then our Lord Jesus has not returned yet to reign over all nations with the rod of iron. That is simple to know. Just in my own lifespan I have seen persecution of the Christian Church in the western nations increasing like a slow burning. So you might want to 'check' who you've been listening to, or take a closer look at how Christianity is being attacked in the free nations today.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Psalms 2 is where the prophecy of Christ's future reign with a rod of iron over the nations comes from.

Ps 2:6-9
6 Yet have I set My king upon My holy hill of Zion.
7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, 'Thou art My Son; this day have I begotten thee.'
8 Ask of Me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
KJV

Has not happened yet. That is for Christ's 2nd coming, which is still future.

Apparently, you do not believe the 2nd coming of Christ Jesus is still future??? Am I correct with assuming that about your belief???

“...for the judgment was by one to condemnation,” is this not the judgement in works of the flesh is already condemned and cannot and will not inherit the kingdom of God. Corruption does not inherit incorruption nor incorruption inherit corruption but the “putting off” of the old man. How could He say I will never leave or forsake you...is it not that which is born of God that is not forsaken ...yet that born of flesh is cast out...or “put off”. I don’t read that “even as I received of my Father” as evil or speaking on “authority” but in “learning obedience” toward God as He said even though He was a Son begotten of God in whom The Father is well-pleased...He learned obedience of He came not to condemn and destroy but to save...and to not be served but to serve. Hebrews 12:6-7 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. [7] If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

“If you endure chastening...” if this isn’t the rod of iron spoken of to endure with patience and faith ...even as He received of the Father. Then I don’t know what is. Hebrews 12:9-11 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? [10] For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. [11] Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.


you say I’ve been smoking dope. Sorry...but the full brightness of the glorious gospel in the face of a Jesus Christ is the expressed image of God casting down every vain imagination in what the Son revealed of His Father. “Yielding the peaceable fruit of righteousness” in those that James 3:18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
^that rules. Nowhere in the glorious gospel in the face of Jesus Christ nor in “yielding the peaceable fruit of righteousness” do I (with all due respect) see the doctrine you present or hold to. The Pharisees waited for their throne and rule. Nowhere do we see displayed in the face of Christ what is preached as doom and more corruption, more oppression, more death ...but instead is life.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

When we still see Christians being persecuted by this world, by nations, by peoples and world systems that hate Christ, then our Lord Jesus has not returned yet to reign over all nations with the rod of iron. That is simple to know. Just in my own lifespan I have seen persecution of the Christian Church in the western nations increasing like a slow burning. So you might want to 'check' who you've been listening to, or take a closer look at how Christianity is being attacked in the free nations today.

You are missing it. THEY are ruling OVER the enemy (for His namesake)in they loved not their life even unto death. The power of death (declared)defeated in... “oh death where is your sting!”

Matthew 5:9-14
[9] Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. [10] Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. [11] Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. [12] Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. [13] Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. [14] Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

 

[Davy]

“...for the judgment was by one to condemnation,” is this not the judgement in works of the flesh is already condemned and cannot and will not inherit the kingdom of God. Corruption does not inherit incorruption nor incorruption inherit corruption but the “putting off” of the old man. How could He say I will never leave or forsake you...is it not that which is born of God that is not forsaken ...yet that born of flesh is cast out...or “put off”. I don’t read that “even as I received of my Father” as evil or speaking on “authority” but in “learning obedience” toward God as He said even though He was a Son begotten of God in whom The Father is well-pleased...He learned obedience of He came not to condemn and destroy but to save...and to not be served but to serve. Hebrews 12:6-7 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. [7] If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

“If you endure chastening...” if this isn’t the rod of iron spoken of to endure with patience and faith ...even as He received of the Father. Then I don’t know what is. Hebrews 12:9-11 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? [10] For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. [11] Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.


you say I’ve been smoking dope. Sorry...but the full brightness of the glorious gospel in the face of a Jesus Christ is the expressed image of God casting down every vain imagination in what the Son revealed of His Father. “Yielding the peaceable fruit of righteousness” in those that James 3:18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
^that rules. Nowhere in the glorious gospel in the face of Jesus Christ nor in “yielding the peaceable fruit of righteousness” do I (with all due respect) see the doctrine you present or hold to. The Pharisees waited for their throne and rule. Nowhere do we see displayed in the face of Christ what is preached as doom and more corruption, more oppression, more death ...but instead is life.

I didn't say you were... smoking dope. I said you can go in a closet and smoke it to get some of the ideas of today's world you have latched onto. That was my meaning. And those at the pulpits preaching that our Lord Jesus is now reigning over all nations today probably have been smoking something.

 

[Davy]

You are missing it. THEY are ruling OVER the enemy (for His namesake)in they loved not their life even unto death. The power of death (declared)defeated in... “oh death where is your sting!”

Matthew 5:9-14
[9] Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. [10] Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. [11] Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. [12] Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. [13] Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. [14] Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Sorry, but I have not missed... it.

Jesus has not returned yet. We are still waiting for His 2nd coming. The doctrines of Full Preterism is a hoax. That false doctrine is the idea some have that wrongly believe Jesus' 2nd coming is spiritual only, and already happened in the Apostles day. We are still awaiting Jesus' 2nd coming.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Sorry, but I have not missed... it.

Jesus has not returned yet. We are still waiting for His 2nd coming. The doctrines of Full Preterism is a hoax. That false doctrine is the idea some have that wrongly believe Jesus' 2nd coming is spiritual only, and already happened in the Apostles day. We are still awaiting Jesus' 2nd coming.

So you wait for Him to come in the flesh then? As they waited...and He stood right before them, even in the midst.

1 John 4:2-5
[2] Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: [3] And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. [4] Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. [5] They are of the world: therefore and the world heareth them.

“You are of God, little children; and have overcome them...” The world to come without end is not this one which ends in them that perish. The end and the beginning being “Behold, I create all things new”. The kingdom is within...not without...without are dogs, and whores...cant remember the rest. That is maybe what you see and base your faith on, not that which is unseen yet remains when the rest perishes. The heart is where He rules from. Waiting on a throne to rule from is ignoring the throne of the heart where He should already rule from, within...in the hidden man of the heart (that which cannot be corrupted). Waiting of Jesus Christ to come to come in the flesh; denying He already has come and will never leave or forsake you.

 

[Davy]

So you wait for Him to come in the flesh then? As they waited...and He stood right before them, even in the midst.

1 John 4:2-5
[2] Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: [3] And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. [4] Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. [5] They are of the world: therefore and the world heareth them.

“You are of God, little children; and have overcome them...” The world to come without end is not this one which ends in them that perish. The end and the beginning being “Behold, I create all things new”. The kingdom is within...not without...without are dogs, and whores...cant remember the rest. That is maybe what you see and base your faith on, not that which is unseen yet remains when the rest perishes. The heart is where He rules from. Waiting on a throne to rule from is ignoring the throne of the heart where He should be already rule from, within...in the hidden man of the heart (that which cannot be corrupted). Waiting of Jesus Christ to come to come in the flesh; denying He already has come and will never leave or forsake you.

Won't you be surprised when you see Jesus coming in the clouds in our near future!!!

Rev 1:7
7 Behold, He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen.
KJV

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Won't you be surprised when you see Jesus coming in the clouds in our near future!!!

Rev 1:7
7 Behold, He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen.
KJV

With and on a cloud of great witness... the wailing has already begun. And the gnashing of teeth. And the fire and the gathering g of wheat into His garner ...Luke 3:16-17 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire: [17] Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.

Luke 22:31-34 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: [32] But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren. [33] And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death. [34] And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.

All blessing Davy. Thank you for taking the time to respond.

 

[Davy]

With and on a cloud of great witness... the wailing has already begun. And the gnashing of teeth. And the fire and the gathering g of wheat into His garner ...Luke 3:16-17 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire: [17] Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.

Luke 22:31-34 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: [32] But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren. [33] And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death. [34] And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.

Nope, the gathering of His saints, the wailing and gnashing of teeth for those He closes the door upon, and His literal return, are all still future.