The Scriptures are God's Greatest Gift to Mankind

[John Caldwell]

As is the Holy Bible.



yes, those who deny that the Bible is the word of God do indeed deny HIM.



See John 8:13-14. Though I testify of myself, my testimony is valid; because I know where I came from and where I am going. While I know that where I came from is a place of being a sinner (and that this is different from Jesus' testimony in saying the same words); yet I know that where I am going is heaven (and that this is the same testimony).



Yet, you can be certain that in reading her letters to you, you did not receive an inaccurate representation of who she was neither of her feelings toward you. Most certainly, having her there is better than reading love letters.

And having Jesus here with us in the flesh would be better than love letters. But we know Him no more according to the flesh (2 Corinthians 5:16). So he speaks to us through His word; and in reading His love letter to us, we do not get an inaccurate rendering of who He is neither of His feelings towards us. The love letter represents Him perfectly in the words that it says to us.



So, Jesus walks around in your house with you, in the flesh, does He?

What you need to realize is that the Holy Spirit speaks to us through His word.

If you are listening to voices in your mind, then you need to realize that any voice can pose as being the voice of Jesus Christ; and if they are telling you something contrary to the word, they are going to deceive you if you reject the word as being the ultimate authority.

Yes. Jesus lives within me (Paul says "Christ in me").

You need to understand what is being said here (and in the Bible). No member is deminishing Scripture. But as a Christian we discern Scripture because we know the One of Whom it speaks (we know God) and the Spirit dewlls in us.

It is one thing to stress the importance of Scripture. It is another to stress the superlative of great (the greatest) when compared to God giving of Himself in the person of Jesus Christ.

Where you devolved into heresy is with the insistence God elevated Scripture above His own name. You misinterpreted the passage in Psalms. You have company on this thread, but not within orthodox Christianity.

 

[bbyrd009]

As is the Holy Bible.

not holy, sorry. Or i mean Quote that if you would.
bye, since this will be just another post you will choose to ignore, like you always do right

yes, those who deny that the Bible is the word of God do indeed deny HIM.

horse puckey sir, you just have another idol in your pantheon is all, which is why you have not addressed the Q i guess. You cannot Quote "the Bible is the Word," not anywhere, and you are duplicitous at best in your responses, jbf

See John 8:13-14. Though I testify of myself, my testimony is valid; because I know where I came from and where I am going. While I know that where I came from is a place of being a sinner (and that this is different from Jesus' testimony in saying the same words); yet I know that where I am going is heaven (and that this is the same testimony).

why not just say you are Yah and get it over with?
No one has ever gone up to heaven, ...
He who seeks to save his soul will lose it

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Job23;
12Neither1 have I gone back from the commandment of his lips;

I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food.

Psalm 19;
7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.

9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.

10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.

11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.

13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.

14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.

Christians rejoice in the gift of special revelation available in the scriptures. more than gold, sweeter than honey, God s words valued more than necessary food!

 

[John Caldwell]

It is heresy to magnify Scripture above God's name.

Period.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

The Lord Jesus Christ[the incarnate Word]rebuked Satan by correctly speaking scripture to this liar.....then said get thee hence Satan...

When Satan departed the word was free to go forth unhindered.

 

[amadeus]

Yet, you can be certain that in reading her letters to you, you did not receive an inaccurate representation of who she was neither of her feelings toward you. Most certainly, having her there is better than reading love letters.

And having Jesus here with us in the flesh would be better than love letters. But we know Him no more according to the flesh (2 Corinthians 5:16). So he speaks to us through His word; and in reading His love letter to us, we do not get an inaccurate rendering of who He is neither of His feelings towards us. The love letter represents Him perfectly in the words that it says to us.

I appreciate that you answered amicably but it seems that we still are not quite "face to face". Do you suppose something like Skype would help us? Never mind that option!

Only God gives the increase! May He richly bless you as you continue to seek His face!

 

[Preacher4Truth]

How did you learn of anything you just posted?

"Ohmmmmm...ohmmmmm...ohmmmmmmm...ohmmmmmmmmm...ohmmmmmmmm?"

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

"Ohmmmmm...ohmmmmm...ohmmmmmmm...ohmmmmmmmmm...ohmmmmmmmm?"

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Strangely, not one person has attempted anything that looks like a biblical response.
No wonder they minmize scripture, and look for anecdotal experiences. They have no scripture to offer and just cannot seem to figure it out.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

From A Baptist Catechism with Commentary pg 34,35;
Apart from the Scriptures, our knowledge of God, ourselves and the world about us would be seriously, even fatally defective.

Natural intuition, speculation and reason prove both insufficient and misleading because of the noetic effects of sin and natural disinclination toward God (Rom. 1:18–32; 8:7; 1 Cor. 2:14; Eph. 4:17–19).
Religious experience, no matter how fervent or emotional, would be without a necessary stabilizing foundation in Divine revelation.

We both need and have a direct, intelligent and sufficient word from God.

The opening statement of Scripture, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth” (Gen. 1:1) is determining for all which follows throughout Divine, inscripturated revelation. This statement is presuppositional concerning the existence of God, his absolute sovereignty, the eternal Creator–creature relation and distinction, and the truth that every fact is a created fact, i.e., there are no “brute” [undefined or uncreated] facts in the universe.
Because man is made in the image and likeness of God, he can only truly know himself by beginning with a study of God. God can only truly and adequately be known as he has been pleased to reveal himself in his inscripturated Word.

Thus, the Scriptures reveal to us who God is, who we are, what occurred in the Fall, how we are to be reconciled to him, live for him and anticipate being forever with him.

The Scriptures reveal all that is necessary for us to live godly in this life and to prepare for eternity. Thus, Scripture is to be our sole rule of both faith [what we believe] and practice [how we are to live].

From the Word of God we are to find and implement a Christian Theistic world–and–life view or biblical and comprehensive philosophy of life which is godly and consistent. Are you reconciled to the God who has revealed himself in his Word? Do you seek to align your life to His truth?

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Strangely, not one person has attempted anything that looks like a biblical response.
No wonder they minmize scripture, and look for anecdotal experiences. They have no scripture to offer and just cannot seem to figure it out.

Of course they haven't given a biblical response. They're spiritual gurus who get direct revelation from God yet all their revelations contradict one another. Either God is confused or they are. Maybe he can't keep his story straight and tells them all something different?

It's of note that God speaks directly to them, and they mitigate Scripture and especially the need for Scripture.

Funny how other countries without bibles are so dark, without God, yet God hasn't given them direct revelation like he does to the many here on this site claim.

If only these gurus here could reach them and tell them about how Jesus isn't dead (a bible) and how they can know all these revealed truths, without a bible at all, just like they have.

 

[justbyfaith]

Where you devolved into heresy is with the insistence God elevated Scripture above His own name. You misinterpreted the passage in Psalms.

So then, in your view the Bible teaches heresy.

For the Bible says,

Psa 138:2, I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

I will leave it up to the reader to interpret whether or not this passage teaches that God has magnified His word above His name or not. I am one to take the holy scriptures literally; for it is also written,

2Co 3:12, Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

You have company on this thread, but not within orthodox Christianity.

Those who believe the Bible are unorthodox in your opinion; especially those who hold the Bible to be the word of God.

You cannot Quote "the Bible is the Word," not anywhere,

If it had been possible for the Bible to use those exact words to testify of itself, it would have happened. But the canon of scripture was not compiled at the same time that the holy scriptures were written. So, the best we have (and which I believe is sufficient as a testimony) is this:

2Ti 3:15, And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

It is heresy to magnify Scripture above God's name.

Period.

It is your contention therefore that the Bible teaches heresy; and that God has committed heresy. For it is written,

Psa 138:2, I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Of course they haven't given a biblical response. They're spiritual gurus who get direct revelation from God yet all their revelations contradict one another. Either God is confused or they are. Maybe he can't keep his story straight and tells them all something different?

It's of note that God speaks directly to them, and they mitigate Scripture and especially the need for Scripture.

Funny how other countries without bibles are so dark, without God, yet God hasn't given them direct revelation like he does to the many here on this site claim.

If only these gurus here could reach them and tell them about how Jesus isn't dead (a bible) and how they can know all these revealed truths, without a bible at all, just like they have.

The unsaved heathen without scripture invent their own gods as we were told in psalm115
They have religion, but are without God.
Like in the day of jer.23:
16 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord.

17 They say still unto them that despise me, The Lord hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.

18 For who hath stood in the counsel of the Lord, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it?

19 Behold, a whirlwind of the Lord is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.

20 The anger of the Lord shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.

21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.

22 But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

The unsaved heathen without scripture invent their own gods as we were told in psalm115
They have religion, but are without God.
Like in the day of jer.23:
16 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord.

17 They say still unto them that despise me, The Lord hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.

18 For who hath stood in the counsel of the Lord, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it?

19 Behold, a whirlwind of the Lord is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.

20 The anger of the Lord shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.

21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.

22 But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.

Truth never changes, the gurus of today also speak out of their own thoughts and say no evil will come on you like some on here who say it is God's will that you never get sick or that he heals you from everything. Same false prophets, same tricks, deceived in the same manner.

 

[bbyrd009]

So then, in your view the Bible teaches heresy.

For the Bible says,

Psa 138:2, I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

I will leave it up to the reader to interpret whether or not this passage teaches that God has magnified His word above His name or not. I am one to take the holy scriptures literally; for it is also written,

no jbf, honest, Yah's actual imrah (utterance, speech, word) means as much to me as it does you im sure, and imo we are mostly arguing at cross purposes here ok. So im not gonna ask when was the last time you actually heard the Word or any of that, and really i was just giving you grief because i have seen ppl--good ppl, just like you--who cant even entertain that Word migt be something more than they could read, so they cant or dont identify actual Word when it comes across their path; iow if the Bible is Word, when the real Word comes It cannot be heard as such, bc "Word" has already been personally defined

but i mean you might ask yourself how any human was able to literally hear Yah's Utterances in the first place maybe? And see that there is a spiritual concept being imparted, and surely no human actually heard Yah Himself say anything?

I will leave it up to the reader to interpret whether or not this passage teaches that God has magnified His word above His name or not.

see so i completely agree that Yah has magnified His Pneuma ok, but Rhema is only "sacred" and not "holy" imo precisely bc Yah did not literally write any of the words we read; humans did.

i mean how do you defend your position @ "Easter," which is in our Bibles? Kjv at least
Is "Easter" Word iyo?

 

[John Caldwell]

So then, in your view the Bible teaches heresy.

For the Bible says,

Psa 138:2, I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

I will leave it up to the reader to interpret whether or not this passage teaches that God has magnified His word above His name or not. I am one to take the holy scriptures literally; for it is also written,

2Co 3:12, Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:



Those who believe the Bible are unorthodox in your opinion; especially those who hold the Bible to be the word of God.



If it had been possible for the Bible to use those exact words to testify of itself, it would have happened. But the canon of scripture was not compiled at the same time that the holy scriptures were written. So, the best we have (and which I believe is sufficient as a testimony) is this:

2Ti 3:15, And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:



It is your contention therefore that the Bible teaches heresy; and that God has committed heresy. For it is written,

Psa 138:2, I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

No. What I am saying is that the Bible does not teach that God has magnified the Bible over Himself or His name.

You have misunderstood Scripture and the meaning of God's Word in the text of Scripture.

 

[bbyrd009]

https://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Imrah.html#.XvFmUNFMGhA

so this is a diff Imrah, from a diff root, "mara" (of "Mary") rather than "amar" which is where our imrah there in Psalms derives, Strong's Hebrew: 559. אָמַר (amar) -- to utter, say , not quite sure what t o make of that but i know the Bible often uses juxtapositions to illustrate points, or highlight concepts?

 

[John Caldwell]

Of course they haven't given a biblical response. They're spiritual gurus who get direct revelation from God yet all their revelations contradict one another. Either God is confused or they are. Maybe he can't keep his story straight and tells them all something different?

It's of note that God speaks directly to them, and they mitigate Scripture and especially the need for Scripture.

Funny how other countries without bibles are so dark, without God, yet God hasn't given them direct revelation like he does to the many here on this site claim.

If only these gurus here could reach them and tell them about how Jesus isn't dead (a bible) and how they can know all these revealed truths, without a bible at all, just like they have.

So you also believe that the Bible is magnified above God's name?

 

[farouk]

the Bible should never be made into an idol.

This may sound appealing; but can you tell me when God's is ever overruled?

 

[justbyfaith]

see so i completely agree that Yah has magnified His Pneuma ok,

I think that Pneuma means "soul" rather than "word" so I would have to disagree that this is what is spoken in Psalms 138:2.

No. What I am saying is that the Bible does not teach that God has magnified the Bible over Himself or His name.

Then you are contradicting holy scripture. For it says clearly:

Psa 138:2, I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

 

[farouk]

So you also believe that the Bible is magnified above God's name?

Psalm 138.2