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Gen. 6:2-4: “That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.…There were giants in the earth in those days; and also afterward, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”

The question of the mention of sons of God in Gen. 6 has always provoked much controversy. Did Angels actually co-habitat with humans, or were they the godly descendant's of Seth that took women from the ungodly line of Cain.

It has been the opinion of the majority of Rabbis that this event had actually occurred, and that the sons of God were indeed angels. Ancient rabbinical sources, and the Septuagint translators in the 3rd century before Christ all upheld this view. Josephus believed them to be angels. As did the early church. They agreed with this view almost to the end of the fourth century (Justin, Clement of Alexandria, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Cyprian, Athenagoras, Eusebius, Philo, Theodoret, Jerome and Judeaus accepted this traditional view. While we should not let tradition be the final say in doctrinal matters we can learn from their statements why they considered this view). What changed this view is only speculated but it very well could have been from an anti supernatural out look. Augustine in his book City of God denied that the sons of God were angels. Some of the reformers John Calvin, and Martin Luther stated that the sons of God were Sethites and not angels, this continues to be part of their view point today.

Today there are many conservative scholars that hold to the view of actual angels. M. R. DeHaan, C. H. McIntosh, Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum, F. Delitzsch, A. C. Gaebelein, A. W. Pink, Donald Grey Barnhouse, Henry Morris, Chuck Smith. While we don't interpret the Bible because of their view, it is good to read why they have come to these conclusions.

The Hebrew word for sons of God is Bene elohim. This term for angels occurs four times in the Old Testament in the Septuagint version (the Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures ) it's meaning is always used as angels of God, never of man. Most scholars believe this event describes a union between fallen angels who cohabitated with human females. This unnatural occurrence of combining two different species resulted in a offspring of what is called 'giants' in the King James and NKJ version and Nephilim in the New American Standard, and the English translation of the Jewish Masoretic text.

Throughout this article we will go through the pros and cons of each view and weigh out the evidence to see which view makes the most sense Scripturally The two principal interpretations are, the term Sons of god are the godly line of Seth (Sethites) the other view is that they are fallen angels. their is no easy solution or quick answers to this question, both views have strong and weak points and good men are divided on the answers. The main scriptural argument for the Sons of God not being angels is the scripture Matthew 22:30 Jesus describes the Holy angels in heaven as not marrying, nor reproducing after their own kind.

This argument proposes that the Sons of God must be human because a sexual union between angels and humans is impossible and leans towards Greek mythology. Since angels are sexless this terminology could easily be referring to godly men (Hosea 1:10 you are sons of the living God ). It is a assumption, when God says “ sons of Elohim” that he is referring to the “sons of Seth.”

The main objection then is that angels do not reproduce sexually, however if we look at the verse more carefully we see Jesus stating that the angels of God in heaven neither marry nor are given in marriage. He gives a specific location, which gives us only two alternatives. Because of where they are located it is a functional impossibility, or that he is referring to only the angels that obey God do not marry. Either way it leaves open the possibility of this occurring on Earth and with the fallen angels that are disobedient to God.

What Mt.22:30 does specifically say is that angels do not marry. Marriage was given to generate new offspring. Angels do not have the ability to procreate among their own species. They may or may not be sexless, although they are in an invisible spirit form they are pictured as male, with male names Michael, Gabriel. They are also called sons of god not daughters ) When they become visible they will usually appear as young men. God made an innumerable amount of angels simultaneously, he does not continue creating them, so they never increase or decrease in number.

We find in the scriptures that angels have the ability to appear as men even though they are spirit creatures. They are able to perform numerous human functions such as eating food as in their encounter with Abraham in Genesis 18. They are able to perform other bodily functions as well, they can walk and talk among us in such a way that we may not be aware of them unless they reveal themselves, Heb. 13:2 “do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some have unwittingly entertained angels.”

The angels that came to warn Lot were mistaken for men and were sought out for homosexual use by the men of Sodom. Angels are also able to carry out God's plans on Earth by supplying food for man 1 kings 19:5-7 Mt. 4:11. They are able to execute God's judgment Rev. 7:1, 14:17, inflict punishment upon man Ez.9:1-8 Acts 12:23. There seems to be some change of substance that takes place on Earth that they can become physical, contrary to their original nature. So if they are able to possess a body of a man and can eat and carry out other functions then why not other abilities.

The term Son of God is never used of man in the Old Testament, only of angels. (Job.1:6,2:1, 38:7). The only exception is Nebuchadnezzar who said of the one who was in the fire with Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego, was like the Son of God” (Dan. 3:25). This was written in Aramaic and he was probably stating this from his Pagan perspective.

The term “sons of God” is used consistently for the angels in their unfallen estate, they are Gods sons because they were directly created by him. When the title sons of God is used such as in the passages of Gen. 6, Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7 it is exclusively used of angels who have access to God's throne. (this is a common Semitic expression ) We find that each time when the sons of God present themselves before God's throne (which is in heaven), Satan is with them. This shows that these sons are the fallen angels as God addresses Satan as their representative when they assemble. The vicinity of this meeting is in heaven, for Satan informs God that he has come to his assembly “from going to and fro in the earth.”

God questioning Job in his trial. Job 38:3-7 “Now prepare yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer Me.” Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?”

Job 38:7 is clearly a reference to the angels united in harmony when they were created in reference to Gen.1:1. It is prior to the rebellion of the angels. Once again this term is used for angels and not man. When God created the heavens there was a time when all the angels were united and harmony existed in heaven. They were together in worship and service to God their creator this is taking place when the earth was first created before man is on it.There is also the Hebrew term of bene elim which is found in Psalm 29:1, 89:6 which means sons of the mighty, referring to man as a class of mighty beings (possibly a more general meaning to include the angels).

In the New Testament believers are also called Sons of God but this is by adoption not referring to nature ( Rom. 8:14-15; Gal 4:5; Eph. 1:5 ). The Greek word teknon means born ones, meaning children who have a likeness of Jesus' character from a spiritual birth, by being adopted into Hids family therefore ie. they are sons [children of God.]

Jesus is also called the Son of God it is used in a singular sense, not in the plural as sons being one of many, he being the only begotten Son ( unique one of a kind, no other like him). In the scriptures son simply means one possessing the same nature of something. Examples such as son of Abraham or son of man means one possesses the same nature as the subject named. The Greek word for son which is used for Jesus is huios. It is limited exclusively for him, signifying he is the son by nature not by adoption. When the word “Sons of God” are used in Genesis 6 and in the Old Testament; in Hebrew it is Bene Elohim, showing they are a special creature related to Elohim (God), not related to man. They are not referred to as the “sons of Cain” or the “daughters of Seth?”

When we go back to the Gen.6 account there are other terms that need to be considered. The title “daughters of men.” Some consider the phrase “the daughters of man” to be the daughters of the Cainites only. But this phrase does not name a tribe but is a general and all encompassing statement, leaving no distinction of any moral or spiritual kind, it is a general term that includes both Cainite and Shethite females, it is referring to females of the human race (Hebrew benoth Adam daughters of Adam) they were natural descendants. Also the term Nephilim (giants) in Gen.6:4 has an interesting history. Nephil means fallen one, (im at the end of any Hebrew word changes it to a plural, nephillim-fallen ones.) This does not mean giant, or monstrous in size but someone who possesses super human ability in strength and intelligence, not stature. This word is taken from its root word of nephal and nephel which means to fall, abortion or untimely. In 250 BC. the Rabbis that wrote the Septuagint which is a Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures. They changed the word Nephillim to giant, which is the word most translations currently have (giant in Greek gigentes implies earth born men of great stature Num.13:33 ). This was a significant change which has obscured the meaning even to today. While some contend they are still around in the time of Numbers the giants were not the same species of the Nephilim. Since the Nephils were not Giant in size but in strength, intelligence and ability. The only creatures that lived through the flood were 8 humans, no others. Some postulate that another group of fallen angels returned again , something which the bible never addresses and would need to if this occurred.

In Unger's Bible dictionary referring to the word for giants (Nephillim ) he writes; “the Nephillim are considered by many as demigods, the unnatural offspring of the daughters of men mortal women in cohabitation with” the sons of god” (angels). This utterly unnatural union, violating God's created order of being, was such a shocking abnormality as to necessitate the worldwide judgment of the flood.” (pg. 788)

Gaebelein interprets,” The designation 'Sons of God' is never applied in the Old Testament to believers,” whose sonship is “distinctly a New Testament revelation.” (A.C. Gaebelein, The Annotated Bible (Penteteuch). p. 29).

Can we find any justification for this view elsewhere in the Bible. Or is it as some claim the story of Greek mythology, where we have legends of titans, the gods of Mt. Olympus (Hercules, Achelles) coming down and intermarrying with humans having hybrids, half human and god. What we find is that this is not limited to only the Greek and Roman cultures, almost all ancient civilizations have legends and myths of visitations from the sky. Are these only folklore or are these legends distortions of what really occurred? We have the same for the flood accounts so it is very possible they are distortions of the true account.

There are several questions that are relevant to this event that need to be answered. First what justification is there to confine the daughters of men to be ungodly women specifically from the line of Cain. Does the bible ever classify people in this manner? If the Sons of God are descendants of Seth what are they doing presenting themselves before the Lord in heaven. Job 1:6, 2:1 “ there was a day when the Sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.” Also why would there be such unusual offspring from marriage if they were all of human kind.

From the scriptures we can find no justification for separating the race of mankind and making one line righteous the other not. We actually find evidence for the opposite. the scriptures always refer to someone being righteous by their obedience to God, by their spirituality, not by their physical posterity or what family they are in. Why would all the Sethite men be godly and all the women of Cain be ungodly. There is no indication that the line of Seth was godly or stayed godly. If so, why were they also destroyed in the flood along with everyone else. There is no mention of this type of distinction before or afterwards. It would make more sense that intermarriage would occur with also godly women and ungodly men as well. There is no indication to confine the term of “daughters of “ to ungodly women when it's a general classification for womankind. Another factor that seems to lead one away from the two classes of humans is Gen.6:2 stating “they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.” In the Hebrew language this describes a violent taking for themselves, not a good thing. Why would godly men resort to this kind of activity for marriage? In the next verse the Lord says his Spirit will not continue to abide with man and then pronounces the time when the future judgment will occur. All this after their marriage to other humans! When Israel did not obey the Lord from marrying outside their own nation there was never such a punishment. Whether this was a punishment incurred specifically for this event or it contributed to it seems to be somewhat obscured at times.
 

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Shalom, blessedhope.

There have been traditionally three views held (mine makes a fourth) on this Genesis 6:1-4 passage:
According to the PC Study Bible software, of six Bible commentaries--Wycliffe Bible Commentary; Keil and Delitzsch Commentary on the Old Testament; Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown Commentary; Adam Clarke's Commentary; Barnes' Notes; and Matthew Henry's Commentary--here are the viewpoints:

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The traditional view is that the sons of God were princes or nobility who selected from the beautiful women of lower class to increase their harems. The list of those who believe the traditional view of the orthodox rabbinical Judaism are, of course, the orthodox rabbinical Jews, the authors of the Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown Commentary, and a Dr. Wall.

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A second, very popular view is that the sons of God were the godly line of Seth--not that the line of Seth was entirely godly or that the line of Cain was entirely ungodly. The key word here is "godly;" members of Cain's line that were righteous may have been included in that group, while some of Seth's progeny might not have been included. The list of those who believe this view is long! A few of the members of this list are Chrysostom, Augustine, Luther, Calvin, Hengstenberg, Faber, Keil, Matthew Henry's Commentary, Barnes' Notes, and Adam Clarke's Commentary.

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The third and youngest of the three views is that the sons of God were angels. This list includes (according to Josephus) Justin, Athenagoras, Clemens Alexandrinus, Tertullian, Lactantius, and more recently Rosenmuller, Gesenius, Kurtz, Tuch, Knobel, Delitzsch, Govett, and Maitland.

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I would like to present a fourth possiblity: Genesis chapter 4 records the first murder. Qayin (“Cain”) slew his own brother out of envy and bitterness that he allowed to grow in his heart despite being warned of God to let it go. When God confronts Qayin about his sin, Qayin lies and God replies, "What hast thou done?! The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the GROUND! And now art thou cursed FROM THE EARTH, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; when thou tillest the GROUND, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a FUGITIVE and a VAGABOND shalt thou be IN THE EARTH!" Qayin replied, "My punishment is greater than I can bear (greater than I deserve). Behold, Thou hast driven me out this day FROM THE FACE (SURFACE) OF THE EARTH; and FROM THY FACE SHALL I BE HID; and I shall be a FUGITIVE and a VAGABOND IN THE EARTH; and it shall come to pass, that every one that FINDETH me shall slay me." The LORD in His pity for Qayin then said, "Therefore whosoever slayeth Qayin, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold." And the LORD set a mark upon Qayin, lest any FINDING him should kill him.
Qayin then went out FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nowd ("wandering"), on the east of Eden.
Then, Qayin and his wife had a son and called his name Chanokh (“Enoch"). Then, Qayin built a city and called the name of that city "Chanokh" after his son. Then, we are told of six more generations that his son produced. What if this city is not on the surface of the earth? What if Nowd, a place of Wandering, was a CAVERN SYSTEM?
We are next told of an interesting story, the first recorded incident of killing in self-defense:
16: And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
17: And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
18: And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.
19: And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.
20: And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.
21: And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
22: And Zillah, she also bare Tubal-cain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah.
23: And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
24: If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.

The problem is that God never intervened for Lamekh (“Lamech") as He did for Qayin. I believe that he and his family were driven out of Chanokh and out of the cavern system at this time or they fled for their lives. In either case, they were forced out into the full sunlight which they had never had to deal with in the past. We read that Yaval (Jabal) was "the father of such as dwell in tents" and that his half-brother, Tuval-Qayin (Tubal-Cain), was "an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron." Why did they live in tents? After years without the sun, their skin was quite blanched and susceptible to sunburns. Where did Tuval-Qayin get his knowledge of brass and iron? In Chanokh, within the caverns, he had learned to work metals, even in alloys since brass is an alloy.
Now, I don't deny that this is conjecture, but if you will bear with me, I think you will find that there is merit to this idea, and that it fits many facts.
Meanwhile, on the surface--in the light of the sun, under the blue skies (heavens), and under the face of God--Adam has another son and named him "Shet” (“Seth,” whose name means “established; a foundation”) as a substitute for Hevel (Abel, whose name means “a waste”):
25: And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
26: And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

Now, I've heard some preachers say that this was when people began to pray; however, Adam was already familiar with speaking to God. A few preachers will even suggest that this was when people started to "get saved." But that is not what this verse is talking about. Looking carefully at the Hebrew words, one may discover that this was when people started to use the name of the LORD as a talisman or a good-luck charm! They began to tack His name onto their own to ward off evil, and they became prideful that they were allowed to be in the LORD'S presence.
Looking again carefully at the passage in Genesis 6,
1: And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face (SURFACE) of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2: That the sons of God (a term applied to themselves as a term of prejudice) saw the daughters of men that they were fair (Hebrew: “Tovot” meaning “good,” feminine, plural); and they took (Hebrew: “vayiqchuw” meaning “and they forcefully captured”) them wives of all which they chose (Hebrew: “baachaaruw” meaning “they-tried; they-selected; they-desired”).
3: And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4: There were giants (Hebrew: “n'faliym” meaning "tyrants" or “bullies”) in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men (Hebrew: “g’Vorim" meaning "champions" [like Goliath] or "heroes") which were of old, men of renown (famous or popular men).
5: And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6: And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7: And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8: But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

Now we can see what so enraged the LORD! He hated the tyranny, the slavery ("white" slavery, if you'll forgive the pun), and injustice to fellow human beings, but when you compound that with the fact that the rest of the population made them out to be heroes and champions and to make them popular as well, this was the last straw!
Now, granted this has been conjecture, but one may notice that it does fit the facts and gives a plausible explanation as to how these "sons of God" could be the progeny of Shet (Seth).

May I suggest that "sons of God" need NEVER apply to "angels?" Have you ever considered the possibility that the sons of God mentioned in `Iyov (Job) need not be "angels?" Let's look at the evidence:
Job 1:5-12
5: And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
6: Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
7: And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
8: And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
9: Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
10: Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
11: But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
12: And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

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So, why would angels need to "present themselves before the LORD (the tetragramaton Y-H-W(V)-H, Yahweh or Yahooh, Jehovah; ADONAI)"? Frankly, if they were created as sinless creatures, and did not fall with Satan in his rebellion (as the belief goes), then why would they need to "present themselves"? On the other hand, assume for a moment that these "sons of God" were human beings. NOW why would they need to "present themselves"? The answer is in verse 5! They would need to present themselves for the same reasons that `Iyov presented himself and his children before the LORD; to offer sacrifices to God and receive atonement for their sins from God through this picture of what was to come in the sacrifice of the Lamb of God.

The assumption is, and has been, that Satan came in among the sons of God because he was of the same type of creature and was able to slip in with them. However, that conclusion is unfounded by anything said in the text. Instead, we may also consider that the presence of the LORD will be where He can be in fellowship with His creation, human beings, through the atonement. Satan, knowing that God would gladly receive sacrifices, came before Him at the altar!

Did you know that the word for "angel" is in Job 1? It's the Aramaic word "mal'ak" translated "messenger" in verse 14! Do we assume this was an "angel?" No! We consider this to be a human person. As a matter of fact, because of verse 15, we consider him to be a servant, one of `Iyov's workers who took care of the oxen and the donkeys!

14: And there came a messenger (Hebrew: mal’akh) unto Job, and said, The oxen were plowing, and the asses feeding beside them:
15: And the Sabeans fell upon them, and took them away; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

Now, why didn't the author of `Iyov use this word instead of "sons of God"? Could it be because these "sons of God" weren't "angels?"
I will even be so bold as to say that NOWHERE in Scripture MUST the term "sons of God" refer to "angels!" As a matter of fact, I believe that "sons of God" referring to "human beings,” whether truthfully or deceptively, makes much better sense!

I would also like to add that some Jewish scholars believe that the mention of Qayin’s line is to show the lineage of Noach’s (Noah’s) wife, Na`amah (Naamah).
 

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Retrobyter said:
Now we can see what so enraged the LORD! He hated the tyranny, the slavery ("white" slavery, if you'll forgive the pun), and injustice to fellow human beings, but when you compound that with the fact that the rest of the population made them out to be heroes and champions and to make them popular as well, this was the last straw!
Now, granted this has been conjecture, but one may notice that it does fit the facts and gives a plausible explanation as to how these "sons of God" could be the progeny of Shet (Seth).
Retrobyter, you give some good info/ideas, and it is envyable that have been able to think so originally and outside the box.

On the part quoted above, though, why isn't G'd so enraged at what is the exact same carry on going on now in modern Western World corporatist regime (including Chosen/Jews/Shemites/Sethites over others), and all through history (including Aryans/Masters/Cainites over others)? And why not the other way around (Cainite/Aryan over Sethite/Semite)?

I do wonder about if Satan was cursed to dust/earth, and if fallen angels were cast out into tartarus (Space?) then how can they appear before G'd, and/or return in future? (Though the war in heaven and cast out in revelation might not be happened yet.)

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BlessedHope:

Your write-up was very good/great. It is similar to past attempts of my own on this topic. The subject certainly has seemed difficult to be sure which/what is right. You gave some ideas/info which i had not thought of/about myself. Below is a quick new edition (just notes) of some of my previous write-ups, there are a few ideas of mine which my be of interest. I don't have the situation and condition to do any more/better for now.

Disclaimer: any or all of my posted info/ideas could be wrong in part or in whole. It does not mean that i am wrong about eveyrthing in my life/works.


A rabbi pronounced a curse on anyone teaching that the sons of G'd were angels.

The situation is complicated by that Derek Prince thought that the sons of god & daughters of men mixing incident was "occult" (or possession/possessed of other theorists?).

The term "sons of G'd" is considered to indicate a direct creation of God ("not related to man").

Gen 6:1-2 seems to distinguish between (daughters of) men/man and (sons of) God.

It has been pointed out that the Hebrew of "daughters of men" is benoth-Adam, and that that implies Adamites/humans not Cainites. (Though Adam is sometimes seen as head of Cainite line.)

The term Benoth-Adam is more or less the same as Bat(h)-enos(h) the name of Lamech's wife in Jewish myth, who was suspected of having an affair with a watcher. Adam is "(unfallen) man" and Enosh(-man)/anesh/nasha/nisi is "(fallen/mortal) man" [Compare Indo-European nara/aner "man"?] Jesus is bar-nasha "son of man" (ref Carter)?

Enosh is son of Seth, in whose days men began to call (defy) name of Lord/G'd. This might link with the wicked "Sethites" of Josephus? [Though these Sethites might rather be confounded with Set(h) & the Siriadic columns of Egyptian.] The sons of G'd are considered by some to be Sethites not angels. "The Sethites were also destroyed in the Flood". (Genesis 6:4 seems to distinguish between the nefilim and the sons of God.) Some people point-out that the nephilim/nefilim/n'faliym "fellers/fallen-ones"/"giants (of wickedness)"/"tyrannts/bullies" were already in the earth before the sons of God (ref Gen 6:4-5, Petros Koutoupis 'origins of the nephilim'). 'Nephilim' was given in the Greek Septuagint as 'giants/gigantes' "earth-born". Adam is sometimes supposed to have been a "giant".


In 'Job' 1 the term sons of G'd is agreed to refer to angels.

It is true that critics object that Jesus said that the holy angels of god in heaven don't marry (and that Genesis says each after its own kind). But blessedhope gives some good ideas that this may only refer to holy/godly angels, &/or heavenly angels, and/or to that they don't marry & reproduce among themselves.

Some think that in the verse in Jude 6 that says the angels left their first estate, that the "first estate" was their state/form/bodies. [Maybe compare similar ideas about "many mansions"?]
2 Peter 2:4 also mentions the angels that sinned who were cast out into Tartarus/gehenna.

Blessedhope gave really good ideas/info about how angels although they are genderless often seem to be implied/protrayed as male (Sodom story, male names), which seemingly may correspond with the sons of god. [The angel? that Jacob wrestled with was called 'Aiysh', the same word used for Adam and Cain.]

The verses about Enoch walking & talking with G'd, and being translated/raptured, may be inverse analogy of gods coming down & walking on earth in gentile mythology. (The gods creating man may connect with the sons of god.) [The 365 years might indicate some sort of calendar or lifespan change?]
It is the book of Enoch that has the sons of god story.
The watchers are said to have come down in the days of Jared whose name means "shall come down".
(Gibbor, nephilim, jared are also found together in Ezek 32:27.)
Jared & Enoch are father and son.

'Bene-Elohim' "Sons of G'd" as angels might be supported by that angel names often end in -el (eg Michael, Raphael, Uriel, Gabriel, Sammael, Jesuel, etc). Though retrobyter implies that the call name Lord/God in days of Enosh relates to Sethites tacking his name onto their own.

The NT verse about women covering head/hair on account of the angels seemingly may link back to Genesis 6.

Some say that there was not only mixing of angels and humans but also of either/both with animals/beasts, hence the distinction between clean and unlcean (and also why the animals were also destroyed in the Flood).

Missler mentioned that the iron & clay of Daniel may be "aliens" & humans?

Re the fair daughters of men, it is interesting that "terra-cotta men & light women" was common to a number of ancient cultures (compare fair Sarah in Genesis). (Dark men = outdoors, light women = indoors.)
There might be a faint possibility that the fairness of the "Aryans" comes from the fair daughters of men? Though it is said that the "fair" refers to "feminine" (and "dark" to "masculine") rather than skin complexion (compare the fair daughters of Job). Though retrobyter says the fair/tovot means "good", &/or could be Cainites blanched from years without the sun from dwelling in cave(rn)s.

Isaiah 34:4 could possibly be refering to angels/"aliens" and/or to some extension of humans in space in not too far future?

The men of renown (shem) in Genesis 6 may possibly compare to "let us make a name (shem) for ourselves" of Babel in Genesis 10/11 which Sitchin links with flying vessels/rockets?

Despite suspicions that the Noah's mother 'Batenos' had an affair with a watcher, the Sethite Noah was called pure/perfect in his generations.
The bible certainly seems to imply that the Flood was global. There were stated to be only 8 souls in the ark that survived the Flood.
Traditions like that of Og of Bashan surviving the flood by perching on the Ark (or due to his height) might be allergorical for the giants/Cainites blood/genes/seed surviving the Flood through one or more of the mother/s &/or wives of Noah's sons? [Though the story of Og may also/alternatively be confounding of Ogyges in Greek.]
Nimrod was a gibbor "mighty" (Orion is Jabar in Arabic)
Some argue that the postflood word [nephilim (Num 13:33)?] is slightly different, &/or that they are a different species of "giants".


Summary table of the 2 spiritual types/seeds:
angels - fallen angels/demons/evil spirit
8th day man - 6th day man/pre-Adamites
tree of life - tree of knowledge
good - evil
adam/unfallen - enosh-man/fallen
seed of the woman - seed of the serpent
rule - desire
Abel/empty/waste - Cain/possess/gain
Seth(ite(s)) (8th) - Cain(ite(s)) (7)
call - defy/talisman/goodluckcharm/tackontoown
{obey - disobeyed/rebeled
godly/"sons of god" - ungodly/godless
righteous - unrighteous/wicked
perfect/preservedvirgins/undefiled - polluted/defiled/mingled}
clean - unclean
Ark/Enoch/diedbefore - perished in Flood
Shem/Jah/Lord - Japheth/El/God - Ham
before - against
clay - iron(&clay)?
sons of light - sons of Darkness
believers - infidel
wheat - tares
spirit - flesh/carnal/physical/nature/natural
mystery of godliness - mystery of iniquity
saved - unsaved/perish
virgin/married - harlot


seeming versions around the world for comparison to help solve mystery:


Navaho:
the daughters of Bright Star and Great Star marry the sons of the Sun and the Moon?

Amerind/USA:
Colosal animal people original inhabitants before Indians?

[Mormon:
Jaredites, Nephites & Lamanites. Jared means "shall come down". Nephi might be related to nephilim "fellers"? Some people in 'Book of Mormon' pictures have "giant"-like features. American "Jesus" of Mormons recall the white god Quetzalcoatl &/or Lucifer.]

Mexica:
"the tradition of Aztecs speaks of a promise of the 'sons of heaven' to return in 6,000 yrs" (Tomas)?
Quinametzin giants (destroyed by men / eaten by jaguar warriors "just as Goliath was slain by David")?

Peru/Bolivia:
Sons of light vs giants deprived of light.
Oryana/Orejona ("big ears") "came from Venus/stars".
cranial deformation (strange "alien" looking shaped human(oid) skulls) [Nazca]?
virgins of the sun?
6 digits/fingers [giants] Tiahuanaco?


Mochica:
Giants landed on the coast and raped the native women.

Atlantis Account:
Poseidon & Cl(e)ito.

Modern Western:
"tall, dark & handsome"?
"All the primary ancient pantheons were composed of sky gods...."
Aliens & apes/humans. (Panspermia/Transplant theory. Alien Beings seeded life on Earth &/or sped-up evolution.) (Aliens must have been either created, evolved or seeded. The very first aliens must have either been created or evolved.)
Daniken.
Sitchin.
Pleiadians (Aryan type alien race).
Alan Alford's 'Gods of the New Millenium'.
"gods plural came before god singular".
Star-bound and earth-bound mythologies/cultures.
spire vs dome?
UFOs/'Flying Saucers' (which are said to defy laws of physics, be of a supernatural nature, and have been called "demonic").
Aetherius Society believes Jesus lives on Venus and ride around in a flying saucer.
Yhwh made out to be an Alien by the Sub-genius Society.
Some Christians believe that the Antichrist will come in a UFO faking the 2nd Coming of Christ.
Some scientists/scholars believe that life/humans may have evolved on Mars.

Guinea:
"A tribe in Guinea which is located on the Atlantic coast of Africa performs a ceremony where they reenact an ancient tradition that white men came down from the sky (flight) and from an island that no longer exists [Atlantis? pre-Flood?] in very ancient times, to administer laws and justice."

West Africa:
Some people claim that the Dogon knowledge of Sirius/Sothis is from aliens? (Though they could have got their knowledge from Egypt or from Atlantis/Andes?)
Some claim that the nommo(s) of Dogon myth were aliens that came to earth from Sirius/Sothis? (Though the nommo myth may be connected with Noah & the Flood?) "Dogon say that the spaceship of the visitors, the Nommo, will return in the form of a blue star."
sons of Fa (came from the sky)?

[Bushman:
Kaang's daughter married a snake, and henceforth the snakes were called Kaang's people?]

Prehistory:
Cro-Magnons were equal or superior in body and brain to modern man. Cro-Magnons race has the most sexual dimorphism of all races.

Germanic/Norse:
"Golden Age lasted until the women of Jotunheim corrupted it"?
["man, maid, & frost giant"?]
Dwarfs/dwarves are deformed giants.
Thor versus Etins/Jotuns/giants.
Wannen (flying space/air vessels)?
Aesir & Vanir?
Nietzsche's higher-man intermediate step to coming super-man.
Aryans & non-Aryans.
[Hitler said girls/women getting more beautiful/fairer?]
Nifl-heim?


Baltic:
sons of sky marry daughters of sun.

Italy:
"Romans had no women, Romans abduct/raped [~ enticed/seduced] the daughters of Sabines, Romans and Sabines thereafter become one people.
Etruscans (Tarquinia) had dark/terra-cotta men & light/fair/ivory women.
[Vestal virgins?]
Romulus & Remus sons of Mars & Ilia.
"Not Angles but angels with faces so fair".
"The true and essential origin of man is to be found elsewhere, in superior races who, already in prehistoric ages, possessed a civilisation of limited material development but of notable extremely elevated spiritual content, so much so as to be symbolically designated remembrances of all peoples, as 'divine races', as races of 'god-like men." (- Julius Evola, 'revolt against the modern world').

Greece:
Uranus (shining/sky/heaven) + Gaia (earth) = the Titans (big strong giants).
Demi-gods.
divine-born heroes.
gigantes/giants earth-born.
Euhemerism.

Hittite:
picture/carving of "exagerated size" god/king?

Egypt:
“Egyptian men where painted red and Egyptian women yellow”.
the gods once walked the earth.
gods & demigods/heroes before mortals & manes/dead.
Horus (shepherd) race/followers of horus & Set(h) race/followers of Set(h).
fair Sarai/Sarah.
Hancock claimed that the sphinx is linked with Mars.
blue skin gods?
Narmer giant on 'Narmer palette'?
giant footprint under Sakkara pyramid complex (ref Bristowe).

Israel:
In the days of Jared/Enoch the watchers/angels/Sons of G'd descend to earth and mix/mate with fair Daughters of Men begetting offspring (Genesis 6, & book of Enoch).
Sitchin.
A rabbi pronounced a curse on anyone teaching that the sons of G'd were angels.
Missler mentioned that the iron & clay of Daniel may be "aliens" & humans. (Though the iron & clay may just be mixing of races.)
[sea beast & earth beast?]
fair Sarai/Sarah.
Rephaim, Anakim, Zuzims, Zamzummims, Emim(s).
Goliath.

Syria/Lebanon/Phoenicia:
the massive stones & structures of Baalbek have amazed people how they could have been moved & built.

Iraq:
"Kingship descended from heaven/Anu" before & after the flood (Sumerian king-list).
"Ziggurats built to bring the gods down" (J Campbell).
Sitchin claimed "gods [Annunaki/Anunnaki] from another planet (Nibiru) arrived on Earth some 450,000 years ago and created humans by genetic engineering of female apes".
Amphibians/fish-men (Oannes, Odakon, Annedotus) from the Gulf/sea/deep may be figurative for aliens/astro-nauts from sky/space? (Though the fish-men may also/alternatively be connected with the Flood, Cainites, ice ages, etc.)
Strange composite creatures under Thalath/Omoroka [compare that some think there was also mixing of angels &/or humans with animals in Genesis 6]?
Gilgamesh part divine/god.
Naram-sin "exagerated stature".
Sarku (light) & Admu/nisi zalmat kakkadi (dark)?

Iran/Elam:
Elamite priest-king wearing star-studded robe/garment.
Women like "djinn" with big members/attachments.

India:
Vimana(s) (space/air craft)?
"Marisha daughter of Kandu [Suryavansa, or serpent race] + Daksha [Prachetasas or fish race]
= [Daksha/Pretas/Ishwara]"?
Devas & Asuras (above), Arya & Dasyu (below)?

Central Asia:
"Under the legend of the Herodotus, Sarmatians have arisen from the union of younger Scythians and wild steppe women (Amazons). And Jordan in "Getica" writes, that Hunns have arisen from the Gothic women - witches expelled from their environment, have married steppe spirits, in Azov area. Sarmatian = Huns, Amazons = Gothic women, younger Scythians = steppe spirits!"

Tibet/Huns:
"the ancient land, when men rose up to the stars; the middle land, when men came down from the stars; the new land, the world of distant stars."

Mongolia:
Blue-eyed heroes/Borjigin children of the grey-Blue Wolf and the White Fallow Doe, "representing sky & earth, male & female, light & dark"?

China:
"Arrival of sons of Heaven in fiery- tailed dragon ships in reign of Huang-Ti".

Australia:
[Pye believes the Gympie Pyramid was built by "Mayan astronauts from Atlantis".]

NZ Maori:
Mataora/Mataroa & Nuvarahu/Niwareka?
"Spirit-walkers" (as opposed to physical-people)?
Rapuwai giants?

Easter Island:
big ears & short ears.

Theosophy:
1st root race Astral, 2nd Ethereal.
"great dragons/sarpa came from sky to bring civilisation to world (- Bk of Dzyan)".

Mars:
There have been claims of canals, "sphinx", "pyramids" and 7 caves on Mars (though the "sphinx" & "pyramids" don't look very much like sphinx and pyramids to me).
 

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23. "THE SONS OF GOD" IN GEN. 6:2, 4.


It is only by the Divine specific act of creation that any created being can be called "a son of God". For that which is "born of the flesh is flesh". God is spirit, and that which is "born of the Spirit is spirit" (John 3:6). Hence Adam is called a "son of God" in Luke 3:38. Those "in Christ" having "the new nature" which is by the direct creation of God (2Cor. 5:17. Eph. 2:10) can be, and are called "sons of God" (John 1:13. Rom. 8:14, 15. 1John 3:1). (*1)

This is why angels are called "sons of God" in every other place where the expression is used in the Old Testament. Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7. Ps. 29:1; 89:6. Dan. 3:25 (no art.). (*2) We have no authority or right to take the expression in Gen. 6:2, 4 in any other sense. Moreover, in Gen. 6:2 the Sept. renders it "angels".

Angels are called "spirits" (Ps. 104:4. Heb. 1:7, 14), for spirits are created by God.
That there was a fall of the angels is certain from Jude 6.

The nature of their fall is clearly stated in the same verse. They left their own oijkhthvrion (oiketerion). This word occurs only in 2Cor. 5:2 and Jude 6, where it is used of the spiritual (or resurrection) body.

The nature of their sin is stated to be "in like manner" to that of the subsequent sins of Sodom and Gomorrha, Jude 7.
The time of their fall is given as having taken place "in the days of Noah" (1Pet. 3:20. 2Pet. 2:7), though there may have been a prior fall which caused the end of "the world that then was" (Gen. 1:1, 2. 2Pet. 3:6).

For this sin they are "reserved unto judgment", 2Pet. 2:4, and are "in prison", 1Pet. 3:19.

Their progeny, called Nephilim (translated "giants"), were monsters of iniquity; and, being superhuman in size and character, had to be destroyed (see Ap. 25). This was the one and only object of the Flood.

Only Noah and his family had preserved their pedigree pure from Adam (Gen. 6:9, see note). All the rest had become "corrupt" (shachath) destroyed [as Adamites]. the only remedy was to destroy it (de facto), as it had become destroyed (de jure). (It is the same word in v. 17 as in vv. 11, 12.) See further under Ap. 25 on the Nephilim.

This irruption of fallen angels was Satan's first attempt to prevent the coming of the Seed of the woman foretold in gen. 3:15. If this could be accomplished, God's Word would have failed, and his own doom would be averted.

As soon as it was made known that the Seed of the woman was to come through ABRAHAM, there must have been another irruption, as recorded in Gen. 6:4, "and also after that" (i.e. after the days of Noah, more than 500 years after the first irruption). The aim of the enemy was to occupy Canaan in advance of Abraham, and so to contest its occupation by his seed. For, when Abraham entered Canaan, we read (Gen. 12:6) "the Canaanite was then (i.e. already) in the land."

In the same chapter (Gen. 12:10-20) we see Satan's next attempt to interfere with Abraham's seed, and frustrate the purpose of God that it should be in "Isaac". This attempt was repeated in 20:1-18.

This great conflict may be seen throughout the Bible, and it forms a great and important subject of Biblical study. In each case the human instrument had his own personal interest to serve, while Satan had his own great object in view. Hence God had, in each case, to interfere and avert the evil and the danger, of which his servants and people were wholly ignorant. The following assaults of the great Enemy stand out prominently :--

The destruction of the chosen family by famine, Gen. 50:20.
The destruction of the male line in Israel, Ex. 1:10, 15, &c. Cp. Ex. 2:5. Heb. 11:23.
The destruction of the whole nation in Pharaoh's pursuit, Ex. 14.

After David's line was singled out (2Sam. 7), that was the next selected for assault. Satan's first assault was in the union of Jehoram and Athaliah by Jehoshaphat, notwithstanding 2Chron. 17:1. Jehoram killed off all his brothers (2Chron. 21:4).

The Arabians slew all his children, except Ahaziah (2Chron. 21:17; 22:1).
When Ahaziah died, Athaliah killed "all the seed royal" (2Chron. 22:10). the babe Joash alone was rescued; and, for six years, the faithfulness of Jehovah's word was at stake (2Chron. 23:3).

Hezekiah was childless, when a double assault was made by the King of Assyria and the King of Terrors (Isa. 36:1; 38:1). God's faithfulness was appealed to and relied on (Ps. 136).

In Captivity, Haman was used to attempt the destruction of the whole nation (Est. 3:6, 12, 13. Cp. 6:1).
Joseph's fear was worked on (Matt. 1:18-20). Notwithstanding the fact that he was "a just man", and kept the Law, he did not wish to have Mary stoned to death (Deut. 24:1); hence Joseph determined to divorce her. But God intervened : "Fear not".
Herod sought the young Child's life (Matt. 2).

At the Temptation, "Cast Thyself down" was Satan's temptation.
At Nazareth, again (Luke 4), there was another attempt to cast Him down and destroy Him.
The two storms on the Lake were other attempts.

At length the cross was reached, and the sepulcher closed; the watch set; and the stone sealed. But "God raised Him from the dead." And now, like another Joash, He is seated and expecting (Heb. 10:12, 13), hidden in the house of God on high; and the members of "the one body" are hidden there "in Him" (Col. 3:1-3), like another Jehoshaba; and going forth to witness of His coming, like another Jehoiada (2Chron. 23:3).

The irruption of "the fallen angels" ("sons of God") was the first attempt; and was directed against the whole human race.
When Abraham was called, then he and his seed were attacked.
When David was enthroned, then the royal line were attacked.
And when "the Seed of the woman" Himself came, then the storm burst upon Him.


(*1) The word "offspring" in Acts 17:28 is quite different. It is gevnos (genos), which means merely kin or kind, our genus as being originated by God.
(*2) In Hos. 1:10, it is not beni-ha-Elohim, as here, but beni-el-chai.

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