The sons of God

[Taken]

lets examine who is the friend of the devil .
Is it me.

Already acknowledged your Testimony.

 

[Zao is life]

It is you who can only answer with opinions! Because YOU cannot biblically prove I have not spoken truth! Your answer here proves my point! Quoting what I said to you, because you cannot biblically refute.

You have not and cannot biblically prove what you assert about God actually (according to you) "desiring" that Adam disobey His commandment not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, so that (according to you) God could use evil to bring about good.

Besides the fact that what you claim says a lot about what you think of God's character, it's a false claim - and you have not and cannot biblically prove what you assert.

The fact that God foreordained - before the creation of the world - that the Father would save us from our sins through Jesus, does not mean that God wanted Adam to disobey His commandment "because (according to you) it was in His plan FOR Adam to disobey and sin to come into the world". Your assertion in tnhis regard is YOUR assertion. It is not biblical and you have not and cannot prove it biblically.

The onus is on you to prove it biblically - because scripture does not say what you assert - that's why I do not have to prove what I have said - because scripture has God commanding Adam not to eat of the knowledge of good and evil and meaning exactly what He said, and Adam disobeying, and scripture does not have God purposing before the creation of the world that Adam would disobey (according to you) "in accordance with the plan of God so that sin could come into the world and God could use the evil to bring about good out of it".

You have a lot to learn - and what you assert speaks volumes because it's a reflection of your attitude toward the character of God (which is not a reflection of His character, but of your attitude towards His character).

Your assertion about this is blasphemy because it attacks the character of God by asserting that THOUGH God commanded Adam NOT TO eat of the knowledge of good and evil, yet God desired him to disobey because His plan before the creation of the world was that Adam would do so and bring sin into the world, and Jesus would have to die - so that God could use evil to bring about good.

You have not proved you assertions biblically, neither can you - and I myself have had no need in the 21st century to prove my refutation of your lie biblically (though I have done so) - because scripture itself has refuted you.

 

[rwb]

You have not and cannot biblically prove what you assert about God actually (according to you) "desiring" that Adam disobey His commandment not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, so that (according to you) God could use evil to bring about good.

When did I say God desired for Adam to disobey HIs command? What I said and can support from the Bible is that God knowing that man would fall, provided a way of escape for man before the foundation of the world. IOW knowing that man with compete autonomy would not freely choose to submit to Him had already made Himself the provision; the Lamb slain from before the foundation of the world, so that all that He created would not perish through sin.

That's the plan of God from before the foundation of the world whether you like it or not! Otherwise, it makes zero sense for God to ordain that His only begotten Son would be the Savior of His people before He created them.

Besides the fact that what you claim says a lot about what you think of God's character, it's a false claim - and you have not and cannot biblically prove what you assert.

The fact that God through Covenant, promised to save His people from before the foundation of the world says volumes about the love God has for whosoever is born among the human race who would believe in His Son for everlasting life. For they are His people and through Christ, and all who are found in Him creation too shall be saved.

The fact that God foreordained - before the creation of the world - that the Father would save us from our sins through Jesus, does not mean that God wanted Adam to disobey His commandment "because (according to you) it was in His plan FOR Adam to disobey and sin to come into the world". Your assertion in tnhis regard is YOUR assertion. It is not biblical and you have not and cannot prove it biblically.

God created man "very good", knowing they would not be able to discern the difference between good and evil without experiencing these emotions. Throughout Scripture we find that God, from the beginning to the end of time has always tried/tested His people and as believers come through the trials of God, our faith and love/dependence upon God grows more and more as we realize that God is always with us. We have examples beginning with A&E being tested, then Noah, Moses, Abraham, Job, Joseph, the list is endless and goes on through the New Testament, and what do we read in the NT for why God tries/tests His people?

James 1:2-4 (KJV) My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

Isaiah 48:10-11 (KJV) Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction. For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

2 Corinthians 4:16-18 (KJV) For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

1 Peter 1:6-9 (KJV) Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

God’s people are tried to reveal their heart, refine their character, remove sin, strengthen faith, and conform them to Christ’s image. These trials are not random but part of God’s sovereign plan to bring good out of suffering and to glorify Him.

The onus is on you to prove it biblically - because scripture does not say what you assert - that's why I do not have to prove what I have said

What I ask you to prove from the Word of God is that what I've said is not true. This you cannot biblically do, because my understanding comes FROM the Word of God and not from MY OPINION. It's a hard thing to argue against the truth! That's why you attack the messenger, because you cannot biblically prove what you allege. That's a common trait in these forums! When you can't biblically refute, unjustly accuse!

 

[amigo de christo]

Already acknowledged your Testimony.

Yes my testimony proves who i point too and am of my friend . I by grace POINT ONLY TO FAITH IN CHRIST .
Now go behold this interreligious dialgoue and SEE who its points too and testifies on .....
ITS ALL a lie . leaving the false religoins blind by cliaming we all serve the same God differently
and that OUR GOD , OUR CHRIST , is no be tter than their g od . IMPOSSIBLE .
their god testifies on a false religoin , NOT ON THE SON .
making it of anti christ , NOT CHRIST and thus NOT GOD .

 

[amigo de christo]

Already acknowledged your Testimony.

I only do as i do for the good of humanity and unto the Glory of GOD
for by grace its ONLY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST i remind all about .
Not some made up false love god that seems fine with everyones false religoin .
We better all watch out and be on gaurd for many are being drawn right into a web of deceit
under the guise its love , its of GOD and its for peace .
Try and remember , JESUS came not to bring peace on earth
Try and remember , THERE IS ANOTHER who cometh WHO BY PEACE shall destroy many .
cause that is WHO this merged religoins and more and more of christendom is being led right too . THE WRONG ONE
the WRONG love , wrong unity , wrong peace , wrong god .

 

[amigo de christo]

Already acknowledged your Testimony.

Its not i who is the enemy of humanity nor GOD .
its this well favored harlot and her f ather that is ..............
By grace i shall expose her and her co wo rkers and point ONLY TO FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS .
And if it costs me all for doing so , THEN it costs me all . TO GOD be the GLORY
and having faith that is not IN THE SON , GIVES GOD NO GLORY .
Its all rebellion .
YOU keep that in mind my friend .

 

[Zao is life]

When did I say God desired for Adam to disobey HIs command?

You did say it. Only now are you back-tracking on what you said. You even used the words "God's desire" when you said it. I wonder if you even know what you believe!

I'll give you two quotes below of your own statements where you said it:​

That's why God allowed the serpent to test/try/temp A&E so they would come to know evil with death that comes from darkness and the goodness of God that is of the Light.

Your above statement implies that God wanted Adam and Eve to disobey His commandment "so that" they would come to know evil. Now you are backtracking because you realize how blasphemous your statement was.

You said it again here - saying that God desired that Adam disobey His commandment so that Christ would have to die so that Adam come to know evil .. through sin and death:​

How were they convicted of their sin since they were not created with knowledge of good or evil? Their heart convicted them because they knew they had been deceived by the serpent (Satan/darkness). But this too is according to the will of God! If God did not desire that A&E come to understand evil through sin and death, why did He allow the serpent (Satan/darkness/death) into the garden knowing that he was more cunning and crafty than any other creation? God allowed the fall that mankind would know evil through experience, knowing that He had provided a remedy for sin and death before they were created. If mankind remained without knowledge of good and evil, how would they ever know the goodness of the Savior?

Besides the fact that Adam and Eve were not convicted of their sin "because they knew they had been deceived by the serpent (Satan/darkness)" as you assert (actually they were convicted of their sin because they knew that had disobeyed the commandment of God),

you imply that when God commanded Adam NOT to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, He did not mean what He said because He wanted evil to come about through Adam's disobedience.

Like I said - and have been saying all along - The fact that God foreordained - before the creation of the world - that the Father would save us from our sins through Jesus, does not mean that God wanted Adam to disobey His commandment "because (according to you) it was in His plan FOR Adam to disobey and sin to come into the world". Your assertion in this regard is YOUR assertion. It is not biblical and you have not, and cannot prove it biblically.​

What I said and can support from the Bible is that God knowing that man would fall, provided a way of escape for man before the foundation of the world.

IOW knowing that man with compete autonomy would not freely choose to submit to Him had already made Himself the provision; the Lamb slain from before the foundation of the world, so that all that He created would not perish through sin.

That's the plan of God from before the foundation of the world

Now you imply that the above is all you said - but that is not all you said.

I'm not sure you even know what you believe or if you make it up as you go along, because you seem to keep changing your mind about what you believe!

What you said was that God desired Adam to fall when He commanded Adam not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil so that He could use the evil for good. Now you deny that you said it.

Like I said - and have been saying all along - The fact that God foreordained - before the creation of the world - that the Father would save us from our sins through Jesus, does not mean that God wanted Adam to disobey His commandment "because (according to you) it was in His plan FOR Adam to disobey and sin to come into the world".

Your assertion in this regard is a religious lie and it's YOUR assertion. It is not biblical and you have not, and cannot prove it biblically.

Evil is overcome by good. Good is not produced by evil - and the conclusion you drew from your musing in your mind - which you have repeatedly expressed in this thread - is false and a religious lie that insults God.​

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1. Light does not come from or out of darkness. Light always existed. God is light.
2. Good does not come from out of evil. Good existed before evil. God is good.

What happened on the cross was God allowing evil to be done to Himself in order that He could undo the death that came upon Adam (and all his descendants) - and the corruption that came into God's creation because of Adam's disobedience to the commandment of God in the Garden of Eden

- which God did not intend for Him to disobey just because in His foreknowledge God knew that Adam was going to disobey (because he was man - a created being - not God) and therefore God foreordained Christ to be our Savior. God did not and has never intended for evil to be done "in order that" He could bring about good "from" "out of" the evil.

What happened on the cross was that good overcame evil. Life (the life of Christ and the life that is IN Christ) overcame death. Light overcame darkness - darkness was not "turned into" light.​

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[rwb]

Your above statement implies that God wanted Adam and Eve to disobey His commandment "so that" they would come to know evil. Now you are backtracking because you realize how blasphemous your statement was.

Implies according to your dishonest twisted mind. The full quote shows exactly what I said, and it is NOT that God wanted A&E to sin, but God knowing they would fall provided an escape for them. It is you who shows you lack reverence for God. My statement is not blasphemous as you allege, rather it shows the goodness and love of God who planned before creation to intercede on behalf of mankind after the fall by making Himself the sacrificial Lamb.

"Why does God tell us that Christ is the Lamb slain from before the foundation of the world, if He did not know, and provide a way for them to escape both sin and death through sin? Of course this was the plan of God before creation, knowing man created with complete autonomy would NEVER choose to serve another not even the Creator. They would always choose self-rule, independent from God. Always desiring to be their own masters. That's why God allowed the serpent to test/try/temp A&E so they would come to know evil with death that comes from darkness and the goodness of God that is of the Light."

"What I ask you to prove from the Word of God is that what I've said is not true. This you cannot biblically do, because my understanding comes FROM the Word of God and not from MY OPINION. It's a hard thing to argue against the truth! That's why you attack the messenger, because you cannot biblically prove what you allege. That's a common trait in these forums! When you can't biblically refute, unjustly accuse!"

The rest of your reply is replete with quotes out of context, half-truths, and outright lies, and aren't worthy of any further discussion.

 

[Zao is life]

Implies according to your dishonest twisted mind.

So tell us - directly - that you were not saying that God desired for Adam and Eve to sin when He gave Adam the commandment - and the reasons you gave as to why God would desire Adam's disobedience - were someone else typing on your keyboard.

The dishonesty is yours, my friend - and it takes a twisted mind to muse that God did not mean for the person He gives a commandment - any commandment - to obey because He actually desires that the person disobey for the sake of another outcome that God had beforehand planned should happen that way.

Your blasphemous musing shows that you do not understand and lack the required appreciation of the grace of God or why it is that Christ was foreknown before the foundation of the world to be our Savior

- and you are dishonest about what you definitely did say.