The Soul is the Sinner in the Flesh

[robert derrick]

Those who like to speak of a sin spirit or nature, place it in the body with the purpose of excusing their sinning with the flesh.

There is only one sin spirit and nature in the flesh: the sinning soul wrapped in mortal flesh.

It's the soul that does the sinning with the flesh, not the body sinning with the soul.

It is the soul that lusts for the flesh or the spirit, and it is the soul that has life walking after the Spirit, or death after the flesh.

If lust for the flesh and the sins of this life remains in the flesh, it is the unredeemed sinful soul.

There is no sin spirit or nature 'independent' of the soul, because there is no such spirit or nature created by Christ.

The only nature of the flesh is mortality.

If Christ created a spirit or nature called sin, then He would indeed be the tempter to sin. James rebukes that accusation against God, which is only made because of the lie that such a spirit or nature of sin was ever created, and Christ is the only Creator of all things spiritual and natural.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Those who like to speak of a sin spirit or nature, place it in the body with the purpose of excusing their sinning with the flesh.

There is only one sin spirit and nature in the flesh: the sinning soul wrapped in mortal flesh.

It's the soul that does the sinning with the flesh, not the body sinning with the soul.

It is the soul that lusts for the flesh or the spirit, and it is the soul that has life walking after the Spirit, or death after the flesh.

If lust for the flesh and the sins of this life remains in the flesh, it is the unredeemed sinful soul.

There is no sin spirit or nature 'independent' of the soul, because there is no such spirit or nature created by Christ.

The only nature of the flesh is mortality.

If Christ created a spirit or nature called sin, then He would indeed be the tempter to sin. James rebukes that accusation against God, which is only made because of the lie that such a spirit or nature of sin was ever created, and Christ is the only Creator of all things spiritual and natural.

Soul is a term that is applied to earthly living non plant life Rob. It is usually used in the Scriptures to show “soul” to be a person, an animal, or the life that a person or an animal enjoys.

 

[robert derrick]

Soul is a term that is applied to earthly living non plant life Rob. It is usually used in the Scriptures to show “soul” to be a person, an animal, or the life that a person or an animal enjoys.

It's no good to hear from people's own minds and not Scripture.

When you have Scripture, then come again.

 

[Robert Gwin]

It's no good to hear from people's own minds and not Scripture.

When you have Scripture, then come again.

Ge 2:7LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
(1 Peter 3:19, 20) . . .And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who had formerly been disobedient when God was patiently waiting in Noah’s day, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.
(Numbers 31:28) 28 As a tax for Jehovah, you should take from the soldiers who went out into the battle one soul out of every 500, of the people, the herd, the donkeys, and the flock.

 

[Davy]

Those who like to speak of a sin spirit or nature, place it in the body with the purpose of excusing their sinning with the flesh.

There is only one sin spirit and nature in the flesh: the sinning soul wrapped in mortal flesh.

It's the soul that does the sinning with the flesh, not the body sinning with the soul.

It is the soul that lusts for the flesh or the spirit, and it is the soul that has life walking after the Spirit, or death after the flesh.

If lust for the flesh and the sins of this life remains in the flesh, it is the unredeemed sinful soul.

There is no sin spirit or nature 'independent' of the soul, because there is no such spirit or nature created by Christ.

The only nature of the flesh is mortality.

If Christ created a spirit or nature called sin, then He would indeed be the tempter to sin. James rebukes that accusation against God, which is only made because of the lie that such a spirit or nature of sin was ever created, and Christ is the only Creator of all things spiritual and natural.

Shouldn't confuse the flesh's lusts and desires with one's spirit which is a different thing.

Rom 6:19
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
KJV

Rom 7:22-23
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
KJV

Rom 8:7-8
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
KJV

Gal 5:16-18
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
KJV

Rom 6:6-7
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
KJV

 

[robert derrick]

Ge 2:7LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
(1 Peter 3:19, 20) . . .And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who had formerly been disobedient when God was patiently waiting in Noah’s day, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.
(Numbers 31:28) 28 As a tax for Jehovah, you should take from the soldiers who went out into the battle one soul out of every 500, of the people, the herd, the donkeys, and the flock.

Man became a living soul only after God breathed into the body formed of dust. The body did not become a soul. But man became a soul breathed within the body.

One Scripture here in Numbers 31, out of all Scripture, only appears to speak of animals as souls. And the men of war were referred to as the souls, being the persons, not the animals, which are never spoken of persons in Scripture. Animals were included as part of the levy for war along with the persons.

Flesh is not soul. Soul is man in flesh.

 

[robert derrick]

Shouldn't confuse the flesh's lusts and desires with one's spirit which is a different thing.

Rom 6:19
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
KJV

Rom 7:22-23
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
KJV

Rom 8:7-8
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
KJV

Gal 5:16-18
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
KJV

Rom 6:6-7
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
KJV

The law in our members is our soul in our flesh. There is no independent spirit nor nature lurking in our flesh.

Man was not created by Christ spirit possessed.

The lust of the flesh is the lust for the flesh by our souls, not the flesh's lusts.

All flesh is grass: mortal. The only nature of the flesh is mortality as created by God in the beginning. There is nothing sinful nor righteous about being mortal, just natural, as is grass.

The body of sin is the old man of sin, the body of life lived in sin: the totality of one's life.

Blaming anything on our flesh and physical body is childishness that adults discard, when we take responsibility for our actions.

And I've never heard a sinner credit their bodies for doing good.

When we take all Scripture in context of Scripture, then we have Scripture interpreting itself.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Man became a living soul only after God breathed into the body formed of dust. The body did not become a soul. But man became a soul breathed within the body.

One Scripture here in Numbers 31, out of all Scripture, only appears to speak of animals as souls. And the men of war were referred to as the souls, being the persons, not the animals, which are never spoken of persons in Scripture. Animals were included as part of the levy for war along with the persons.

Flesh is not soul. Soul is man in flesh.

Soul is what it is sir, you were correct when God used holy spirit to animate man, he became a living soul, although still referred to as a soul after the breath of life ceases they are no longer alive. All live beings made of flesh are souls according to the Bible.

The word “soul” in the Bible is a translation of the Hebrew word neʹphesh and the Greek word psy·kheʹ. The Hebrew word literally means “a creature that breathes,” and the Greek word means “a living being.” The soul, then, is the entire creature, not something inside that survives the death of the body.
Consider how the Bible shows that the human soul is the whole person:
● When Jehovah God created the first man, Adam, the Bible says that “man became a living soul.” (Genesis 2:7, King James Version) Adam was not given a soul—he became a living soul, or person.
● The Bible says that the soul can work, crave food, eat, obey laws, and touch a dead body. (Leviticus 5:2; 7:20; 23:30; Deuteronomy 12:20; Romans 13:1) Those activities involve the entire person.

Is the soul immortal? No, the soul can die. Dozens of Bible verses refer to the soul as being mortal. Here are some examples:
● “The soul that sinneth, it shall die.”—Ezekiel 18:4, 20, King James Version.
● In ancient Israel, the punishment for the most serious offenses was that the “soul shall be cut off.” (Exodus 12:15, 19; Leviticus 7:20, 21, 27; 19:8, King James Version) The person would “be put to death.”—Exodus 31:14, King James Version.
● After a person dies, the literal term “dead soul” is used for the corpse in some Bible verses. (Leviticus 21:11, footnote; Numbers 6:6, footnote) Although many Bible translations use the terms “dead body” or “dead person” in those verses, the original Hebrew uses the word neʹphesh, or “soul.”

“Soul” can mean “life”
The Bible also uses “soul” as a synonym for “life.” For example, Job 33:22 uses the Hebrew word for “soul” (neʹphesh) as a parallel for “life.” Similarly, the Bible shows that a person’s soul, or life, can be risked or lost.—Exodus 4:19; Judges 9:17; Philippians 2:30.
This use of the word for “soul” helps us to understand verses in which the soul is said to be “going out” or “departing.” (Genesis 35:18; King James Version) This figure of speech indicates that the person’s life is ending. Some translations render this expression at Genesis 35:18 as “she breathed her last.”—Good News Translation; New Jerusalem Bible.

Where belief in an immortal soul comes from
Christian denominations that believe in an immortal soul get this teaching, not from the Bible, but from ancient Greek philosophy. The Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Biblical references to the soul are related to the concept of breath and establish no distinction between the ethereal soul and the corporeal body. Christian concepts of a body-soul dichotomy originated with the ancient Greeks.”
God does not condone merging his teachings with human philosophies, such as belief in an immortal soul. Instead, the Bible warns: “Look out that no one takes you captive by means of the philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition.”—Colossians 2:8.
Adam was not given a soul—he “became a living soul”

 

[Davy]

The law in our members is our soul in our flesh. There is no independent spirit nor nature lurking in our flesh.

I can see right now you definitely have a problem with not understanding about that 'other' dimension of Spirit. The Spirit of the heavenly dimension is not the same thing as flesh of this earthly dimension. Yet per Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 they are linked together while we are alive in the flesh here on earth. And we do have a spirit with soul that dwells inside... our flesh and that is not flesh.

John 3:6
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
KJV

Heb 4:12
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
KJV

That reveals we are made up of 3 parts:
1. soul
2. spirit
3. joints and marrow, pointing to our flesh body.

 

[robert derrick]

Soul is what it is sir, you were correct when God used holy spirit to animate man, he became a living soul, although still referred to as a soul after the breath of life ceases they are no longer alive. All live beings made of flesh are souls according to the Bible.

The word “soul” in the Bible is a translation of the Hebrew word neʹphesh and the Greek word psy·kheʹ. The Hebrew word literally means “a creature that breathes,” and the Greek word means “a living being.” The soul, then, is the entire creature, not something inside that survives the death of the body.
Consider how the Bible shows that the human soul is the whole person:
● When Jehovah God created the first man, Adam, the Bible says that “man became a living soul.” (Genesis 2:7, King James Version) Adam was not given a soul—he became a living soul, or person.
● The Bible says that the soul can work, crave food, eat, obey laws, and touch a dead body. (Leviticus 5:2; 7:20; 23:30; Deuteronomy 12:20; Romans 13:1) Those activities involve the entire person.

Is the soul immortal? No, the soul can die. Dozens of Bible verses refer to the soul as being mortal. Here are some examples:
● “The soul that sinneth, it shall die.”—Ezekiel 18:4, 20, King James Version.
● In ancient Israel, the punishment for the most serious offenses was that the “soul shall be cut off.” (Exodus 12:15, 19; Leviticus 7:20, 21, 27; 19:8, King James Version) The person would “be put to death.”—Exodus 31:14, King James Version.
● After a person dies, the literal term “dead soul” is used for the corpse in some Bible verses. (Leviticus 21:11, footnote; Numbers 6:6, footnote) Although many Bible translations use the terms “dead body” or “dead person” in those verses, the original Hebrew uses the word neʹphesh, or “soul.”

“Soul” can mean “life”
The Bible also uses “soul” as a synonym for “life.” For example, Job 33:22 uses the Hebrew word for “soul” (neʹphesh) as a parallel for “life.” Similarly, the Bible shows that a person’s soul, or life, can be risked or lost.—Exodus 4:19; Judges 9:17; Philippians 2:30.
This use of the word for “soul” helps us to understand verses in which the soul is said to be “going out” or “departing.” (Genesis 35:18; King James Version) This figure of speech indicates that the person’s life is ending. Some translations render this expression at Genesis 35:18 as “she breathed her last.”—Good News Translation; New Jerusalem Bible.

Where belief in an immortal soul comes from
Christian denominations that believe in an immortal soul get this teaching, not from the Bible, but from ancient Greek philosophy. The Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Biblical references to the soul are related to the concept of breath and establish no distinction between the ethereal soul and the corporeal body. Christian concepts of a body-soul dichotomy originated with the ancient Greeks.”
God does not condone merging his teachings with human philosophies, such as belief in an immortal soul. Instead, the Bible warns: “Look out that no one takes you captive by means of the philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition.”—Colossians 2:8.
Adam was not given a soul—he “became a living soul”

Your effort to prove it by Scripture proved false.

God calls no beast of the field, nor fowl in air, nor fish of the sea, a soul.

All mortal living creatures on earth have spirit, but only man is a soul created personally by the Spirit of Christ in the lowest parts of the earth.

Only souls sin, not animal creatures who only do as the were naturally created to do.

Man who denies his own soul is natural man, making himself no better than brute beasts of the field.

Though he is still a soul to be judged by God.

God does not judge living creatures for sin or righteousness. Neither does he judge the flesh of man, which is as mortal grass only.

The word “soul” in the Bible is a translation of the Hebrew word neʹphesh and the Greek word psy·kheʹ.

This is just another example of why going to original languages in order to try and prove the first principles of Scripture, is proof that it is not doctrinally true.

It feels good intellectually, but is not sound doctrinally, and I no longer laboriously plowing through it when I see it.

I go by what is written in Scripture only.

And, any child with modern skills can now word search soul in the Bible and read exactly what God says about a soul in Scripture of truth.

Man became a living soul, not any other creature on earth.

 

[robert derrick]

I can see right now you definitely have a problem with not understanding about that 'other' dimension of Spirit. The Spirit of the heavenly dimension is not the same thing as flesh of this earthly dimension. Yet per Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 they are linked together while we are alive in the flesh here on earth. And we do have a spirit with soul that dwells inside... our flesh and that is not flesh.

John 3:6
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
KJV

Heb 4:12
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
KJV

That reveals we are made up of 3 parts:
1. soul
2. spirit
3. joints and marrow, pointing to our flesh body.

You mistake the meaning of the thread, and I do agree with you. Man is created a spiritual being and living soul made to dwell in mortal bodies on earth.

The spiritual kingdom is within us with feeling, thought, intents, and imagination of heart and mind and soul.

Whether that kingdom of of darkness or of Light is by the faith or the disobedience of the soul to God.

The posting is to debunk the lie that there is a sin spirit or nature man is born with, that immediately corrupts the soul and spirit of a man from the womb, as though by 'sinful' seed of man, or having a sin 'spirit' or 'nature' of mortal flesh.

The nature of mortal flesh is mortality, as is grass, being neither sinful nor righteous, just naturally mortal.

Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

This doesn't just apply to angels, but to man as well: we are all created spiritual beings with perfect spirits by Christ, but being in mortal flesh we are made to be a little lower than the angels of spiritual bodies.

For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.

I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

This applies to every spirit and of man wonderfully made, not just the Psalmist.

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

And this only applied to Adam whose mortal body was formed of the dust of the earth, while all other men born of women, including Jesus, were formed of the mortal flesh of the womb by mortal seed of man, Including Jesus' flesh made of the seed of David.

And so, the whole point of the thread is that all men are breathed living souls into mortal flesh of the womb, and are born pure in spirit and heart from the womb, not defiled and corrupt sinners by some sin 'spirit' in the seed of man or some sin 'nature' in mortal flesh of the womb.

Christ creates no such sin 'spirit' nor 'nature', and the only nature of the flesh is mortality, It is not sinful to be mortal.

If a soul sins with the flesh, then the spirit of that man becomes sinful, and the soul dies.

And so, the only sin 'spirit' and 'nature' in man is his own spirit and soul corrupted by his own sinning for the devil against God.

 

[Davy]

You mistake the meaning of the thread, and I do agree with you. Man is created a spiritual being and living soul made to dwell in mortal bodies on earth.

The spiritual kingdom is within us with feeling, thought, intents, and imagination of heart and mind and soul.

Well, I obviously do not believe exactly as you.

Like I said, God made us with 3 parts, a spirit, a soul, and a flesh body. God's Word reveals our spirit with soul are together, and can be separated from our flesh body. So it is not Biblical to apply our spirit-soul as being of flesh in any... aspect.

Our person is about our soul part, our spirit is about a spirit body that dwells inside our flesh body, and is attached by a "silver cord" that is loosed at flesh death (per Ecclesiastes 12:5-7). Our spirit is actually the "image of the heavenly" that Apostle Paul was teaching about in 1 Corinthians 15. We have it already, it's just not manifest until our flesh dies. And it manifests in the heavenly dimension.

I don't like to rely on the later modern Bible versions that left the Greek Received Texts. Those modern translations based on Wescott and Horts' revised Greek text are responsible for using all that 'sin nature' mumbo-jumbo which attempts to get from any idea of the cause of sin being linked with our flesh.

 

[robert derrick]

Well, I obviously do not believe exactly as you.

Like I said, God made us with 3 parts, a spirit, a soul, and a flesh body. God's Word reveals our spirit with soul are together, and can be separated from our flesh body. So it is not Biblical to apply our spirit-soul as being of flesh in any... aspect.

Our person is about our soul part, our spirit is about a spirit body that dwells inside our flesh body, and is attached by a "silver cord" that is loosed at flesh death (per Ecclesiastes 12:5-7). Our spirit is actually the "image of the heavenly" that Apostle Paul was teaching about in 1 Corinthians 15. We have it already, it's just not manifest until our flesh dies. And it manifests in the heavenly dimension.

I don't like to rely on the later modern Bible versions that left the Greek Received Texts. Those modern translations based on Wescott and Horts' revised Greek text are responsible for using all that 'sin nature' mumbo-jumbo which attempts to get from any idea of the cause of sin being linked with our flesh.

Well put, and I agree.

As I said, the point is to rebuke the teaching of sin-nature mumbo-jumbo used to justify sinning with the flesh, by blaming it on the flesh.

While our soul and spirit are not flesh, we however are within flesh as tightly wrapped by flesh as clothing wrapped around bodies, and earth vessels containing riches.

The sin nature or spirit that the self-justifiers speak of, is their own unclean spirit and unsaved soul.

Which is why they teach false soul-separation from the flesh, which is to say the soul is no more responsible for the deeds of the body, once saved 'by grace', It becomes the manifest definition of sin abounding, that grace may abound more and more.

And so they 'celebrate' abundant grace, while sinning more and more.

 

[robert derrick]

There are two doctrines to justify sinning with the flesh 'by grace':

1. There is a sin spirit/nature in mortal flesh.

2. It is independent of the soul and spirit of man, once saved by grace.

The soul and spirit of man is wrapped within flesh as an earthen vessel, but is not flesh and blood itself, Man is a soul wrapped in a mortal body, not a body that is a mortal soul.

However, separating the soul and spirit of man from the words and deeds of the body is the delusional lie, that having an independent sin spirit/nature in the flesh is made for.

Unrighteous christians sinners that speak of a sin spirit or nature in their flesh, are speaking of their own unsaved soul and unclean spirit, The soul is the sinner in the flesh.

They are declaring themselves still as unsaved and corrupted on earth, as when they first sinned with the flesh against God for the devil.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Your effort to prove it by Scripture proved false.

God calls no beast of the field, nor fowl in air, nor fish of the sea, a soul.

All mortal living creatures on earth have spirit, but only man is a soul created personally by the Spirit of Christ in the lowest parts of the earth.

Only souls sin, not animal creatures who only do as the were naturally created to do.

Man who denies his own soul is natural man, making himself no better than brute beasts of the field.

Though he is still a soul to be judged by God.

God does not judge living creatures for sin or righteousness. Neither does he judge the flesh of man, which is as mortal grass only.



This is just another example of why going to original languages in order to try and prove the first principles of Scripture, is proof that it is not doctrinally true.

It feels good intellectually, but is not sound doctrinally, and I no longer laboriously plowing through it when I see it.

I go by what is written in Scripture only.

And, any child with modern skills can now word search soul in the Bible and read exactly what God says about a soul in Scripture of truth.

Man became a living soul, not any other creature on earth.

God created every living soul which moveth sir Gen 1:21. Believe it or not.

 

[Davy]

Well put, and I agree.

As I said, the point is to rebuke the teaching of sin-nature mumbo-jumbo used to justify sinning with the flesh, by blaming it on the flesh.

Do you actually realize by that above statement, that you CONTRADICTED YOURSELF?

There is no justifying of sin in the flesh period, because it is destined to perish according to Apostle Paul. If you are saying man's OSAS doctrine is about trying to justify sin in the flesh, I don't agree with that approach either.

Even though sin is a permanent condition of the flesh, that still doesn't mean we are not to 'try' and control its lusts and desires that war against our spirit.

Just like the whole creation for this present world was put into bondage to corruption and seeks a release from that bondage, so likewise our spirit inside our flesh groans seeking for the future release also at the manifesting of the sons of God (Romans 8:18-25). Until then or at flesh death, we must struggle and suffer with these imperfect flesh vehicles while alive here on earth.

 

[Enoch111]

It's the soul that does the sinning with the flesh, not the body sinning with the soul.

More gobbledegook from Robert. Do you even have a clue?

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Those who like to speak of a sin spirit or nature, place it in the body with the purpose of excusing their sinning with the flesh.

There is only one There is only sin spirit and nature in the flesh: the sinning soul wrapped in mortal flesh.

It's the soul that does the sinning with the flesh, not the body sinning with the soul.

It is the soul that lusts for the flesh or the spirit, and it is the soul that has life walking after the Spirit, or death after the flesh.

If lust for the flesh and the sins of this life remains in the flesh, it is the unredeemed sinful soul.

There is no sin spirit or nature 'independent' of the soul, because there is no such spirit or nature created by Christ.

The only nature of the flesh is mortality.

If Christ created a spirit or nature called sin, then He would indeed be the tempter to sin. James rebukes that accusation against God, which is only made because of the lie that such a spirit or nature of sin was ever created, and Christ is the only Creator of all things spiritual and natural.

That flesh and blood human being is a living soul or living person. You saying, "There is only sin spirit and nature in the flesh: the sinning soul wrapped in mortal flesh," is incorrect. You can't separate the two. The living soul isn't something in a flesh and blood human body, the flesh and blood human body is the living soul or living person. So it's that flesh and blood human being that is sinning.

 

[robert derrick]

God created every living soul which moveth sir Gen 1:21. Believe it or not.

Creature, not soul.

Translation is also doctrinally contextual. All naturally created flesh on earth is a living creature with life in it, and man is the only living soul in that flesh.

Man is a living creature on earth bodily. No living creature on earth is a living soul, made in the image of God.

Our spiritual being is what separates us and the angels from all other living creatures, and our mortal body is what makes us made a little lower than the angels.

The effort to make the soul of man to be his body, is akin to natural man that rejects God and the things of the spirit, which separate God from nature, and man from all other natural living creatures on earth.

 

[robert derrick]

That flesh and blood human being is a living soul or living person. You saying, "There is only sin spirit and nature in the flesh: the sinning soul wrapped in mortal flesh," is incorrect.

My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.

First created spiritual in lowest parts of the earth, then wrapped in flesh in the womb.

First the body of mortal flesh was made, and then the soul was made alive in the flesh by the Spirit of Christ.

You can't separate the two.

Fist in responsibility for deeds done in the flesh, and then when the spirit departs the flesh: separated.

The living soul isn't something in a flesh and blood human body, the flesh and blood human body is the living soul or living person. So it's that flesh and blood human being that is sinning.

For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Yes, I am. Housed, held captive, awaiting the redemption of a resurrected body.

Your natural mind says different, but the day will come when you learn different. No sinner can blame their body for sinning with it.

the flesh and blood human body is the living soul or living person. So it's that flesh and blood human being that is sinning.

The flesh is the earthen mortal home for the soul, and it is the soul that sinneth with the body, and the soul dies because of sinning, not the body.

For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

Our flesh is mortal, we are not. Our flesh is our temporary house, not our home.

The life we live in Christ spiritually within our souls, is shown in our mortal flesh, not made by our mortal flesh.

This is my last correction for you. I no longer do endless debates.