The Spirit Delivers From The Power Of The Flesh, The Spirit Gives Sonship, The Spirit Assures Of Future Glory, The Spirit Assures Of Final Victory

[WalterandDebbie]

Sunday, June 21, 26 1st. Day Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Tammuz 5, 5786 1st Summer Day

Romans 8

The Spirit Delivers From The Power Of The Flesh

1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

The Spirit Gives Sonship

12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

The Spirit Assures Of Future Glory

18For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. 24For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? 25But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

26Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

The Spirit Assures Of Final Victory

31What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

37Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Love, Walter and Debbie

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Control by the Spirit
1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Control by the Spirit
(Galatians 5:16-26)



Heirs with Christ

Have you never been confounded by verse 17? I was for it didn't make sense in light of Romans 8:9, so I prayed and asked God what He is trying to say as it seems we have both the flesh AND the Spirit fighting each other. He spoke immediately, as that has been His habit with me personally because I aways believe He will answer (James 1:5-6). Do you know what He said? He simply said, "the 's' is small. And quoted Romans 7:25! Now between the spirit and the soul we know that the spirit is our mind. This verse is referring people that know the laws of God, but are not born again of the Spirit, therefore, still have their flesh to deal with, meaning their carnal nature, or sin nature, that was crucified with Jesus and buried in baptism. Once buried, we should continue to grow, and grow more and more into the image of Christ. We cannot do that with a sin nature. But Jesus DESTROYED the works of the devil, the main one, our sin nature that mankind inherited when Adam served Satan rather than believing God.

12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Don't make the mistake that this verse is verifying that we still have the sin nature. No! We are NOT IN THE FLESH. That is the truth we need to hold on too, but many in the church are holding on to it to justify their sin. Why? Because Paul is talking to them of their need to be born again of the Spirit. I was 30 years old when I received the infilling, so all I could do was TRY to conquer the flesh, and fail, and fail, and fail. We can't. Repentance is suppose to mean "US TURNING AWAY FROM SIN." It's NOT POSSIBLE, OTHERWISE JESUS WOULD NEVER HAD NEEDED TO COME IF WE HAD ALL THE POWER WE NEEDED TO BE HOLY ENOUGH TO LIVE IN HEAVEN AND NEVER SIN AGAIN AS REQUIRED THERE FOREVER.


Did you know you have scripture texts (the address) that don't have the actual scripture with it. Like Psalms with a Romans verse. Not sure what you are trying to say with those.

Just one thing. There is nothing from the outside that can separate us from God. But sin is grown on the inside if not born again of the Spirit, and sin surely can separate you from God.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.



Have you never been confounded by verse 17? I was for it didn't make sense in light of Romans 8:9, so I prayed and asked God what He is trying to say as it seems we have both the flesh AND the Spirit fighting each other. He spoke immediately, as that has been His habit with me personally because I aways believe He will answer (James 1:5-6). Do you know what He said? He simply said, "the 's' is small. And quoted Romans 7:25! Now between the spirit and the soul we know that the spirit is our mind. This verse is referring people that know the laws of God, but are not born again of the Spirit, therefore, still have their flesh to deal with, meaning their carnal nature, or sin nature, that was crucified with Jesus and buried in baptism. Once buried, we should continue to grow, and grow more and more into the image of Christ. We cannot do that with a sin nature. But Jesus DESTROYED the works of the devil, the main one, our sin nature that mankind inherited when Adam served Satan rather than believing God.



Don't make the mistake that this verse is verifying that we still have the sin nature. No! We are NOT IN THE FLESH. That is the truth we need to hold on too, but many in the church are holding on to it to justify their sin. Why? Because Paul is talking to them of their need to be born again of the Spirit. I was 30 years old when I received the infilling, so all I could do was TRY to conquer the flesh, and fail, and fail, and fail. We can't. Repentance is suppose to mean "US TURNING AWAY FROM SIN." It's NOT POSSIBLE, OTHERWISE JESUS WOULD NEVER HAD NEEDED TO COME IF WE HAD ALL THE POWER WE NEEDED TO BE HOLY ENOUGH TO LIVE IN HEAVEN AND NEVER SIN AGAIN AS REQUIRED THERE FOREVER.


Did you know you have scripture texts (the address) that don't have the actual scripture with it. Like Psalms with a Romans verse. Not sure what you are trying to say with those.

Just one thing. There is nothing from the outside that can separate us from God. But sin is grown on the inside if not born again of the Spirit, and sin surely can separate you from God.

Hello, 1stCenturyLady, Thank you. How are you, Sister? We are well. I'm trying to understand what you're saying about: Did you know you have scripture texts (the address) that don't have the actual scripture with it? I recognized that the beginning/OP Chapter of Romans 8 was left out. Please let me know. Is it better now?

And I also got the titles from The Open Bible/King James Version (Nelson). I used my Bible subtitles for the Chapter.

Love, Walter

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Hello, 1stCenturyLady, Thank you. How are you, Sister? We are well. I'm trying to understand what you're saying about: Did you know you have scripture texts (the address) that don't have the actual scripture with it. Like Psalms with a Romans verse. Not sure what you are trying to say with those. For one thing, I recognized that the beginning/OP Chapter of Romans 8 was left out, but the whole chapter was pasted from https://biblehub.com/; if that was the error, I don't know. Please let me know.

And I also got the titles from The Open Bible/King James Version (Nelson), but as you said, sorry, this trouble.

Love, Walter

You may have been having the same problem I ended up having. I couldn't fix mine, so just gave up. Go back I look at the texts you gave and then at the verses you quoted. They don't go together. What were those texts? Additional verses for us to look up? I don't know, but if you start over and put the texts and the corresponding verses together, I'd love to answer your post, and start from the beginning. LOL

I'm fine, except for a huge frost bite wound on my back, just below my waist. It is taking forever to heal, and I need to go swimming for my health, but the doctor won't let me yet. I feel like I'm dying, and I need to write my will, but don't know who to give everything to. I'll be 79 next month. Yikes. Once I get my will done, I hope to go to Jesus in my sleep. At least, all of my pets (four cats) died, so they won't eat me. LOL Of course, I won't care, but it would be gross for whomever checks on me - if anyone would.

I told my pastor today that I want to sit down with him sometime and give him some of my knowledge. He's not a theologian, but IS anointed. I can see the anointing on pastors, but only when they give a sermon. It is either white, like my pastors, or blue like Pentecostal pastors. Again, it is only about the sermon. Except once. Where I live there is no denominations like I had in California, so when a missionary friend asked me to join them to visit one from that denomination I was really looking forward to what I would see. Everything was find until he started his sermon. Then black smoke started coming out of the side of his head that became a backdrop for a lighter tornado in front. I don't know what that means, but I did introduce myself to him after church and told him what I saw. I said, "all I know is that it is tearing you up." I remember a verse that Jesus said that goes something like this, "everything done in the dark, will be known in the light." Or something like that.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

You may have been having the same problem I ended up having. I couldn't fix mine, so just gave up. Go back I look at the texts you gave and then at the verses you quoted. They don't go together. What were those texts? Additional verses for us to look up? I don't know, but if you start over and put the texts and the corresponding verses together, I'd love to answer your post, and start from the beginning. LOL

I'm fine, except for a huge frost bite wound on my back, just below my waist. It is taking forever to heal, and I need to go swimming for my health, but the doctor won't let me yet. I feel like I'm dying, and I need to write my will, but don't know who to give everything to. I'll be 79 next month. Yikes. Once I get my will done, I hope to go to Jesus in my sleep. At least, all of my pets (four cats) died, so they won't eat me. LOL Of course, I won't care, but it would be gross for whomever checks on me - if anyone would.

I told my pastor today that I want to sit down with him sometime and give him some of my knowledge. He's not a theologian, but IS anointed. I can see the anointing on pastors, but only when they give a sermon. It is either white, like my pastors, or blue like Pentecostal pastors. Again, it is only about the sermon. Except once. Where I live there is no denominations like I had in California, so when a missionary friend asked me to join them to visit one from that denomination I was really looking forward to what I would see. Everything was find until he started his sermon. Then black smoke started coming out of the side of his head that became a backdrop for a lighter tornado in front. I don't know what that means, but I did introduce myself to him after church and told him what I saw. I said, "all I know is that it is tearing you up." I remember a verse that Jesus said that goes something like this, "everything done in the dark, will be known in the light." Or something like that.

Thank you, Sister. I think I understand. I changed the subtitles in Chapter 8 of Romans that were from BibleHub.com. Instead, I used the same OP titles. From my The Open Bible King James Version (Nelson). How are you?


Love, Walter and Debbie

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Thank you, Sister. I think I understand. I changed the subtitles in Chapter 8 of Romans that were from BibleHub.com. Instead, I used the same OP titles. From my The Open Bible King James Version (Nelson). How are you?


Love, Walter and Debbie

I'm repeating here what I said before about Galatians 5:17. I found a publisher's error in it.

Have you never been confounded by verse 17? I was for it didn't make sense in light of Romans 8:9, so I prayed and asked God what He is trying to say as it seems we have both the flesh AND the Spirit fighting each other. He spoke immediately, as that has been His habit with me personally because I aways believe He will answer (James 1:5-6). Do you know what He said? He simply said, "the 's' is small. And quoted Romans 7:25! Now between the spirit and the soul we know that the spirit is our mind. This verse is referring people that know the laws of God, but are not born again of the Spirit, therefore, still have their flesh to deal with, meaning their carnal nature, or sin nature, that was crucified with Jesus and buried in baptism. Once buried, we should continue to grow, and grow more and more into the image of Christ. We cannot do that with a sin nature. But Jesus DESTROYED the works of the devil, the main one, our sin nature that mankind inherited when Adam served Satan rather than believing God.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

I'm repeating here what I said before about Galatians 5:17. I found a publisher's error in it.

Have you never been confounded by verse 17? I was for it didn't make sense in light of Romans 8:9, so I prayed and asked God what He is trying to say as it seems we have both the flesh AND the Spirit fighting each other. He spoke immediately, as that has been His habit with me personally because I aways believe He will answer (James 1:5-6). Do you know what He said? He simply said, "the 's' is small. And quoted Romans 7:25! Now between the spirit and the soul we know that the spirit is our mind. This verse is referring people that know the laws of God, but are not born again of the Spirit, therefore, still have their flesh to deal with, meaning their carnal nature, or sin nature, that was crucified with Jesus and buried in baptism. Once buried, we should continue to grow, and grow more and more into the image of Christ. We cannot do that with a sin nature. But Jesus DESTROYED the works of the devil, the main one, our sin nature that mankind inherited when Adam served Satan rather than believing God.

Praise The LORD! Our Sister, and Good Morning to you. How are you? I received again from the Lord, 6-22-26, Psalm 100:1-5 KJV, Psalm 103:1-21 KJV, and Psalm 121:1-8 KJV. And we prayed,
Prayer: By The Power Of The Comforter, The Holy Ghost, The Spirit Of Truth. Yes, GOD Our/Father, The King Messiah, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. We Thank You, Father/Yehovah Elohim/Yeshua Ha Mashiach! The Son Of The Living God YHVH Our LORD And Precious Saviour, Jesus Christ, you have been our dwelling Place in all generations, For Reconciliation And Salvation.

Prayer: Yes LORD, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. We Thank You Father/Yehovah Elohim/Yeshua Ha Mashiach! you have been our dwelling place in all generations. We worship before your throne, praising you with thanksgiving and serving you with gladness. Your mercy is from everlasting to everlasting upon those that hear you and keep your covenant and remember your commandments to do them.

Our Father, grant us that our faith should stand in the power of your Holy Spirit. Teach us good judgement and knowledge according to your word of truth and show us the path in which we should go.

Please guide us and open our eyes to your spiritual truths and cause our ears to take heed of what we hear that more may be given us.

We are grateful for the gifts of life and health, and all the wonderful things that you see fit to do for us, and the treasures that you reveal to us out of your law and testimony.

Bless your holy name. We are the people of your pasture and the sheep of your hand, gathered together in your name. We pray these things in Yeshua holy name. Amen. The Gospel Is The Doctrine That Was Brought Forth By The King Messiah/Yeshua/The Great I AM/Jesus Christ Our LORD/From His Father/Yehovah About The Kingdom Of GOD.

We will read and pray about what you have said this morning, 6-22-26, Ok? Salvation Through Our Lord Yeshua Ha Mashiach

There is more to this message if interested, Romans 12,

Romans 12​

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King James Version​

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Responsibilities Toward God​

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Responsibilities Toward Society

3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;

8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.

9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;

11 Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;

12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;

13 Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.

14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.

15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.

16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.

18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Love, Walter And Debbie

 

[rwb]

Have you never been confounded by verse 17? I was for it didn't make sense in light of Romans 8:9, so I prayed and asked God what He is trying to say as it seems we have both the flesh AND the Spirit fighting each other. He spoke immediately, as that has been His habit with me personally because I aways believe He will answer (James 1:5-6). Do you know what He said? He simply said, "the 's' is small. And quoted Romans 7:25! Now between the spirit and the soul we know that the spirit is our mind. This verse is referring people that know the laws of God, but are not born again of the Spirit, therefore, still have their flesh to deal with, meaning their carnal nature, or sin nature, that was crucified with Jesus and buried in baptism. Once buried, we should continue to grow, and grow more and more into the image of Christ. We cannot do that with a sin nature. But Jesus DESTROYED the works of the devil, the main one, our sin nature that mankind inherited when Adam served Satan rather than believing God.

It is the spirit of man that gives them physical mortal life, and it is the Spirit of Christ within man that quickens the spirit of man with supernatural eternal life.

John 6:63 (KJV) It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

1 Corinthians 15:45 (KJV) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

The first man Adam became a living 'soul' when God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life from His life-giving Spirit, whom Paul calls the last Adam a "quickening spirit".

Trying to make the spirit of man and the soul of man adversarial toward one another doesn't fit. Because physical life comes from the spirit in humans that are "living souls." A man is a living soul when the physical flesh possesses the breath of life (natural spirit). To be a living soul means to breathe through our spirit, having a heart and mind, the ability to physically function in this world.

There is a difference between the rational mortal soul of man, and the supernatural immortal soul of man who has been born again of the Spirit of Christ. When the breath of life; natural spirit, departs from a mortal man, that man ceases to have the natural breath of life. The body returns to the dust, and the spirit returns to God who gave it in darkness and unbelief. When the breath of life; natural spirit departs from man who has been born again of the Spirit of Christ, through the Spirit of Christ, the body will return to dust, but the spirit, eternally alive through the Spirit of Christ within him returns to God still a living soul, without physical flesh, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

John 3:15 (KJV) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

John 6:40 (KJV) And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:26 (KJV) And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

The battle that goes on within man who has been born again is NOT a battle between his soul and spirit. The battle always being waged is the natural spirit of man warring against the supernatural Spirit of Christ within us. Because even though we have been born again and have God's promise that the life we have through Christ is eternal, while we are alive in the flesh we will always have this struggle to do that which we should not and not do what we should do. That's why we are warned that the battle we fight is a spiritual battle between heeding the voice of the Spirit of Christ in us or listening to the natural spirit and doing that which serves the natural man instead of the new man.

The battle Christians are now engaged in is the same battle that began in the Garden of Eden when the first Adam & Eve freely chose to listen to the voice of evil rather than obeying the voice of God. It's the same battle and like in the beginning comes with both blessing or cursing according to the voice we listen to.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

It is the spirit of man that gives them physical mortal life, and it is the Spirit of Christ within man that quickens the spirit of man with supernatural eternal life.

John 6:63 (KJV) It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

1 Corinthians 15:45 (KJV) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

The first man Adam became a living 'soul' when God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life from His life-giving Spirit, whom Paul calls the last Adam a "quickening spirit".

Trying to make the spirit of man and the soul of man adversarial toward one another doesn't fit. Because physical life comes from the spirit in humans that are "living souls." A man is a living soul when the physical flesh possesses the breath of life (natural spirit). To be a living soul means to breathe through our spirit, having a heart and mind, the ability to physically function in this world.

There is a difference between the rational mortal soul of man, and the supernatural immortal soul of man who has been born again of the Spirit of Christ. When the breath of life; natural spirit, departs from a mortal man, that man ceases to have the natural breath of life. The body returns to the dust, and the spirit returns to God who gave it in darkness and unbelief. When the breath of life; natural spirit departs from man who has been born again of the Spirit of Christ, through the Spirit of Christ, the body will return to dust, but the spirit, eternally alive through the Spirit of Christ within him returns to God still a living soul, without physical flesh, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

John 3:15 (KJV) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

John 6:40 (KJV) And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:26 (KJV) And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

The battle that goes on within man who has been born again is NOT a battle between his soul and spirit. The battle always being waged is the natural spirit of man warring against the supernatural Spirit of Christ within us. Because even though we have been born again and have God's promise that the life we have through Christ is eternal, while we are alive in the flesh we will always have this struggle to do that which we should not and not do what we should do. That's why we are warned that the battle we fight is a spiritual battle between heeding the voice of the Spirit of Christ in us or listening to the natural spirit and doing that which serves the natural man instead of the new man.

The battle Christians are now engaged in is the same battle that began in the Garden of Eden when the first Adam & Eve freely chose to listen to the voice of evil rather than obeying the voice of God. It's the same battle and like in the beginning comes with both blessing or cursing according to the voice we listen to.

Hello, rwb, how are you? We are well, Thank you. Love, Walter

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The battle that goes on within man who has been born again is NOT a battle between his soul and spirit. The battle always being waged is the natural spirit of man warring against the supernatural Spirit of Christ within us. Because even though we have been born again and have God's promise that the life we have through Christ is eternal, while we are alive in the flesh we will always have this struggle to do that which we should not and not do what we should do. That's why we are warned that the battle we fight is a spiritual battle between heeding the voice of the Spirit of Christ in us or listening to the natural spirit and doing that which serves the natural man instead of the new man.

What the publisher's error shows us is that out of the spirit and soul, we find from Romans 7:25 about the mind, and comparing with Galatians 17 with the corrected spelling of 'Spirit' as 'spirit' that it is our mind that is our spirit. That leaves our soul as our heart and conscience. These words spirit and soul is the other usage for the same word. Yes, the breath of God made man into a living soul, but that is not the only interpretation.

The Publisher's error "Spirit" instead of "spirit" has left you believing that our flesh fights the Spirit. Wrong. When seeing the corrected spelling, 'spirit' it is the same as Romans 7:25 and the contradiction disappears. It is still what the Old Covenant had us doing - our mind knowing God's laws fought against our sin nature when we used to have a sin nature called "the flesh" and also called the "carnal nature." That battle is all past as seen in the same chapter but is the context of what comes afterwards, which some people are blind to. Here is verses 5-6. How soon we forget...

5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by (sin), so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

 

[ScottA]

Have you never been confounded by verse 17? I was for it didn't make sense in light of Romans 8:9, so I prayed and asked God what He is trying to say as it seems we have both the flesh AND the Spirit fighting each other. He spoke immediately, as that has been His habit with me personally because I aways believe He will answer (James 1:5-6). Do you know what He said? He simply said, "the 's' is small. And quoted Romans 7:25! Now between the spirit and the soul we know that the spirit is our mind. This verse is referring people that know the laws of God, but are not born again of the Spirit, therefore, still have their flesh to deal with, meaning their carnal nature, or sin nature, that was crucified with Jesus and buried in baptism. Once buried, we should continue to grow, and grow more and more into the image of Christ. We cannot do that with a sin nature. But Jesus DESTROYED the works of the devil, the main one, our sin nature that mankind inherited when Adam served Satan rather than believing God.

This is all good except for the claim "Now between the spirit and the soul we know that the spirit is our mind."

The scriptures speak of our mind as anything from "vexed", "double-minded", "spiteful", even "debased", "evil", and in need of "renewing." The scriptures do refer to "the spirit of man", but not as synonymous with the mind. But it is the spirit within a man that sways the mind to do evil or to do good. But each is a different spirit. The evil spirit within a man does not persuade him to do good, but only evil. While it is only the spirit of God that persuades one to do good. Which all speaks of light and darkness of spirit--of which there is no "communion."

 

[1stCenturyLady]

This is all good except for the claim "Now between the spirit and the soul we know that the spirit is our mind."

The scriptures speak of our mind as anything from "vexed", "double-minded", "spiteful", even "debased", "evil", and in need of "renewing." The scriptures do refer to "the spirit of man", but not as synonymous with the mind. But it is the spirit within a man that sways the mind to do evil or to do good. But each is a different spirit. The evil spirit within a man does not persuade him to do good, but only evil. While it is only the spirit of God that persuades one to do good. Which all speaks of light and darkness of spirit--of which there is no "communion."

Scott, what I'm talking about is 1 Thes. 5:23. 23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

This was my process of elimination:

What I know is the old man is our sin nature that was crucified with Jesus and buried in baptism, Romans 6. I also know that the old man is our inner self, the spiritual part of us that can't be seen in an autopsy on our body. We also know the prophecy of the Laws of God in the New Covenant are written on our heart. It wasn't until I saw Galatians 5:17 and it didn't make sense because it contradicted Romans 8:9 and Romans 7:5-6. The Holy Spirit is not fighting our flesh, because the sin nature, the flesh, has been crucified and buried, so Galatians 5:17 is not a Christian. So I prayed about it and God answered immediately and explained this publisher's error. He said, "the 's' is small. So it is our own spirit, not the Holy Spirit. And I immediately remembered Romans 7:25 where the mind fights the flesh in our old nature, before being born again. It talks of our mind. Therefore, of the two, our spirit and soul our inner self, it is the mind that is our spirit. That leaves the soul is our heart/conscience of 1 John 3:21.

 

[MatthewG]

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