The Terrible Sins of Sodom

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GEN2REV

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y'all might consider what "homosexuality" could possibly be allegory for
Last I checked:

1. Plato didn't write the Bible
2. The Bible is not literature
3. The Sodom and Gomorrah account was not a prophecy, nor the vision of a prophet in the spirit.
4. The account was not a parable of Jesus to crowds.
5. It is an historical account of a literal event in scripture.

No reason whatsoever for allegory or symbolism.

Having said that, it may very well teach a parallel lesson, but that doesn't detract from the details of the historical event and what led to it.
 
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JohnPaul said:
I fear for our youth, I hear porn is very addictive and has an effect on a person's brain where they don't function normally if they can't get their porn fix, this is serious stuff.
This is very true. It's actually true of any, and all, sin. It begins to take control of the person and needs more and more stimulation 'til it destroys the person mentally, physically and spiritually, or those around them.

I know of one individual personally that was a real ladies' man in high school and went on to be very promiscuous in college. Not too many years after that, he was arrested with child pornography images on his computer and magazines all over his house. Sin intends to take everything from you and it absolutely will if there is no stop to it. That is what we need to be saved from. So many believe they need no savior as they float rapidly down the raging river of sin directly toward the fatal falls.

There are records of Hitler making his soldiers watch porn and extreme gory violence at the same time so as to twist their minds immensely and to add to their frenzy while in violent warfare. All sin, followed to its end, culminates in something inhuman. For sin is of the devil himself. (1 John 3:8)
JohnPaul said:
I wish the wrath of God would wipe all of this filth out just as he did in Sodom and Gomorrah.
A righteous judgment indeed. Praise the Lord.

Rest assured ... He will.
 
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Last I checked:

1. Plato didn't write the Bible
2. The Bible is not literature
3. The Sodom and Gomorrah account was not a prophecy, nor the vision of a prophet in the spirit.
4. The account was not a parable of Jesus to crowds.
5. It is an historical account of a literal event in scripture.

No reason whatsoever for allegory or symbolism.

Having said that, it may very well teach a parallel lesson, but that doesn't detract from the details of the historical event and what led to it.
you seem awful sure :)
the q maybe just wasnt for you i guess
 

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there is quite a bit of debate as to what arsenokoitai even meant to early Greeks; and i guess a fair argument to be made that Paul even coined the term. But suffice it to say that their arsenokoitai is almost surely not our “homosexual”
 

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there is quite a bit of debate as to what arsenokoitai even meant to early Greeks; and i guess a fair argument to be made that Paul even coined the term. But suffice it to say that their arsenokoitai is almost surely not our “homosexual”
Is homosexual sex a sin?
 
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If a man fulfills the lust of the flesh having sex with woman, beasts, other men, and spends his days in pornography entertaining such desires to the point where he has fulfilled every lust imagined... What does he expect to hear when he leaves this life... An "Atta-Boy?"
 
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Modern law books have used the word 'sodomy' for hundreds of years to refer to an ancient Biblical city where everyone was very selfish.
 

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near as i can tell it depends upon where one is when they ask the q
Oh ok. I'm in Omaha, Nebraska U.S.A.

Can you now answer the question or will there be further stipulations?
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i wonder if it isnt more about the visceral reaction tbh
No, it's about simplifying the debate.
 

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No, it's about simplifying the debate
im not so sure there is any debate to be had wadr; who can disagree with “of course?”

but i will say that i am seeing a sort of…ironic truth? or something? to the whole concept; our right eye offends us, so the stress level goes up, forgiveness is forgotten, our pregnant women have more girls and gays, judgement intensifies and the stress level goes higher, etc. Next thing you know we find ourselves calling for Yah to rain down fire on the bunch that we basically created, not realizing that it is Yah Who sent them to us, and i shouldnt have to get too descriptive about what happens next, i guess

and of course it would be only too easy for me, a straight guy, to agree with you, so dont get me wrong here; but of course i know where that can only end. You might reflect on when is the last time you even saw a homo, in Omaha?
 
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im not so sure there is any debate to be had wadr; who can disagree with “of course?”

but i will say that i am seeing a sort of…ironic truth? or something? to the whole concept; our right eye offends us, so the stress level goes up, forgiveness is forgotten, our pregnant women have more girls and gays, judgement intensifies and the stress level goes higher, etc. Next thing you know we find ourselves calling for Yah to rain down fire on the bunch that we basically created, not realizing that it is Yah Who sent them to us, and i shouldnt have to get too descriptive about what happens next, i guess

and of course it would be only too easy for me, a straight guy, to agree with you, so dont get me wrong here; but of course i know where that can only end. You might reflect on when is the last time you even saw a homo, in Omaha?
Because you are all over the map in this discussion, it is difficult to follow any line of sound reasoning. Of course, that is your intent.

Your original 'indirect' position was as the OP's; that Sodom and Gomorrah were not necessarily destroyed due to any homosexual acts or lifestyles. That is false, and has been plainly known to be false for thousands of years. Your latest attempt to support your position was to claim that some biblical word did not mean 'homosexual' - implying once again that the commonly held belief, for millennia, for the reason for the destruction of said cities, and their operative sins, was incorrect.

You are wrong.

And your ridiculous conclusions that women can 'naturally' have "more girls and gays" is a load of baloney. Gays are not born naturally as some genetic outcome. Homosexuality is a spiritual and psychological aberration. God created men and women. He did not create a 3rd possibility.

Homosexuality is 'perpetuated' by man by ushering the father out of the equation, in one of many ways - physically and/or psychologically, and then indoctrinating children to homosexual ideas throughout all of the formative years of their lives. Those who have strong family ties, and an ever-present father, are not as likely to respond psychologically to the programming.

The spirit realm also supports the ideas and concepts of homosexuality. Anything that opposes God's Ways are their first and foremost agenda. All of satanism is rife with homosexual concepts and activities, etc. It has been part of the agenda of the powers that be to destroy the traditional family structure for decades. By destroying the family structure, you can very easily disable an entire society.

That has been the fate of America for the last 60-plus years.

The entire bent of this thread is laughable. And you are supporting it with ignorance.
 
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Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good. - Ezekiel 16:49-50

1. Pride
2. Gluttony
3. Laziness
4. Uncharitable

And to make the long story short... They found nothing else better to do.
God made their long story short.

Much love!
 

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Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good. - Ezekiel 16:49-50

1. Pride
2. Gluttony
3. Laziness
4. Uncharitable

And to make the long story short... They found nothing else better to do.
Don't forget the 'and committed abomination' bit.
 

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He who is without sin cast the first stone...
In the case of Sodom, that would be God.

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