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I most assuredly did.

I proved God does not judge by the heart.
What did you prove? I do not see any scripture or words of your support.

YHWH always searches the heart via his Spirit. He judged it and he tests it, constantly. The heart (of the spirit) is the 'I am' the identity and the will of the person (spirit). Why are you so opposed to scripture that support this?

Here is some more scripture supporting it: Psalms 26:2, 139:23; Acts 8:21, 15:8; Hebrews 4:12.

Now our faith, its type and strength is very important and is revealed based on the condition of our heart. Does our heart and will yield to the mind of Christ? Is our heart righteousness or not? If it is righteous then we have the faith that God desires for his Son and himself.

The subject and condition of the human heart is a great big deal with our creator. It can mean our life or death....

Bless you,

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Shouldn’t this thread be in the nonChristian section?
 

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Not at all. Quite the opposite. You are urged to study the Waldensians as an example of biblical Christianity.

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If you read Wylie's book, and others' historical treatises of the same topic, you would discover that the Waldenses were precisely that. They were the continuation of apostolic Christianity in the midst of apostasy, in fact on its very doorstep, that became their arch enemy and which sought with demonic blindness to wipe them out.
 

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If you read Wylie's book, and others' historical treatises of the same topic, you would discover that the Waldenses were precisely that. They were the continuation of apostolic Christianity in the midst of apostasy, in fact on its very doorstep, that became their arch enemy and which sought with demonic blindness to wipe them out.

Only SDA, JWs and LDS believe in an apostasy because there is no historical evidence for it
 

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With all due respect, that is a plainly ignorant statement. All Christians outside the Roman Catholic Church hold the Waldensians in high regard.
Read this book. https://www.amazon.com/History-Waldenses-J-Wylie/dp/1519095171

And this article. A History of the Waldensians - Musée protestant
I actually disagree with the above article which claims the Waldensian movement began with Peter Waldo in the 12th century.
The Vaudois (Waldenses) are in fact descended from those refugees from Italy, who, after St.
Paul had there preached the gospel, abandoned their beautiful country and fled like the woman
mentioned in the Apocalypse, to these wild mountains, where they have to this day handed
down the gospel from father to son in the same purity and simplicity as it was preached by St.
Paul. (Arnaud, The Glorious Recovery by the Vaudois).


While the papacy was bringing much of Europe under her control, the two dioceses of Milan and
Turin continued independent. It was unbearable to the papacy that, in the very land in which was
her throne, there should be a Mordecai in the gate. Two powerful forces nullified all her efforts to
annex the Milan territory. First, the presence of the Lombard kings, unconquered until about A.D.
800, assured religious tolerance there. Moreover, the Lombards, like the Goths before them,
rejected so many innovations brought in by Rome that they never admitted the papal bishops of
Italy to a seat in their legislative councils. Therefore, they were promptly called Arians, the name
given by Rome to her opponents.
Because of the desperate attempt of papal writers to date the rise of the Waldenses from Peter
Waldo, all Waldensian heroes before the time of the crusades which largely destroyed the
Albigenses, will be called “early.” This term refers to those evangelical leaders that kept continental
Europe true to primitive Christianity between the days of the apostles and the Albigensian crusades.
Such believers did not separate from the papacy, for they had never belonged to it. In fact, many
times they called the Roman Catholic Church “the newcomer.”
To relate the godly exploits of early Alpine heroes from the days of Vigilantius to Waldo is to
answer the thesis of the papists that the Waldenses did not begin until about A.D. 1160. The most
noted papal antagonist of the Waldenses who has endeavored to brand them as originating at that
date is Bishop Jacques Bénigne Bossuet. Bossuet, the brilliant French papist, is reckoned by some
to be one of the seven greatest orators of history. With almost undetectable shrewdness he analyzed
every item of history which he thought might give the Waldenses an early origin, and then drew his
false conclusions. Of him Mosheim says: “This writer certainly did not go to the sources, and being
influenced by party zeal, he was willing to make mistakes.”18 A casual reader, or one partially
informed, could easily be misled by Bossuet. Full acquaintance with the records, however, exposes
this bishop to the charge of a scandalous misuse of information.
To those who lay too much stress upon Peter Waldo as being the founder of the Waldenses, it can
be said that there were many by the name of Waldo. Particular attention has been called by a papal
author to a Peter Waldo, an opponent of the papacy, who arose in the seventh century.19
Certain papal writers have grouped all religious bodies in Europe hostile to Rome since the year
1000 or earlier, under the title of Waldenses.20 Their reason for doing this can be seen when one
contemplates the record of the growth of the churches refusing to go along with Rome’s
innovations. Consider to what extent the Waldenses were leaders in this policy. The teachings and
organizing ability of Vigilantius gave leadership to the evangelical descendants of the apostles in
northern Italy, southern France, and northern Spain. In those days evangelical churches were
unable to effect visible unity in these sections of Europe. As those who preserved primitive
Christianity multiplied on the Continent and as they contacted the Celts of the British Isles and the
Church of the East, they discovered that they were one in their essential beliefs. Then they realized
more fully the fulfillment of our Saviour’s prediction that His church would be of all nations.
Though great efforts were made to fix various names on these different evangelical groups, even
their enemies, at times, were obliged to recognize that they were “men of the valleys,” or
Waldenses.
The masses of the heathen naturally became a mission field for the efforts of the two rival
communions — Rome and the Church in the Wilderness. Outwardly, the papacy seemed dominant
because of her apparent victories by law, by the sword, and by political alliances. The evangelical
churches, however, increased in power.
The eighth century opens with strong leadership appearing in both of these communions. The
successors of Columbanus, as well as the powerful evangelists of northern Italy and of the Celts,
were making irresistible appeals to the masses. The Council of Frankfort (A.D. 794) attended by
bishops from France, Germany, and Lombardy attests the independence shown by national clergy to
the will of Rome. In the presence of papal legates they rejected the second Council of Nicaea (A.D.
787) which had decreed for the worship of images.22 In the Orient, in this same century, the
independent Church of the East had just erected in the capital of China that famous monument, still
standing, which tells of the wide conquests won by consecrated missionaries in central and farther
Asia.
Wilkinson 'Truth Triumphant'.
 

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Pope Asks Forgiveness for Persecution of Evangelical Church

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Visits Waldensian Temple in Turin on Final Day of Papal Visit

June 22, 2015 10:30Junno Arocho EstevesPapal Trips
Pope Francis asked forgiveness for Catholics’ persecution of the Waldensians, an evangelical movement that began in the 12th century.

It was founded by Peter Waldo, a wealthy merchant in Lyons, France, who gave up his riches and preached on evangelical poverty as a way towards perfection. The movement, also known as the “The Poor of Lyons”, was declared heretical in 1184 by Pope Lucius III and by Pope Innocent III in 1215.

The evangelical movement is centered in the Piedmont region of Italy.

The pastor of the Waldensian Temple of Turin, Paolo Ribet, welcomed the Holy Father, referring to him as “our brother Francis.”

While reflecting on the theme of brotherhood and unity, the Pope said that ecumenism brings together those who believe in Jesus Christ. He also said that “unity, which is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, does not mean uniformity.”

“On the part of the Catholic Church,” he said, “I ask you forgiveness. I ask forgiveness for the non-Christian, even inhuman, attitudes and behaviors that we have shown you in history. In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, forgive us!”

The Pope went on to express his gratefulness at the good relations that now exist between the Catholic Church and the Waldensians, which he said “are more founded upon mutual respect and brotherly love.”

However, differences between faiths have not always been respected and instead, seen as a cause for war.
Among the areas of collaboration between Catholics and Waldensians, he highlighted the care of those who suffer, particularly the poor, the sick and migrants.

“The differences on important anthropological and ethical questions, that continue to exist between Catholics and Waldensians, does not impede us from finding ways of collaboration in these and other fields. If we walk together, the Lord will help us to live that communion that precedes every contrast.”

Concluding his address, Pope Francis thanked them for welcoming him, which he said “confirms us in a new of being one with the
others: looking first of all at the greatness of our common faith and our life in Christ and the Holy Spirit.”

Greeted with loud applause by those present, the Pope was given a reproduction of the first French Bible printed in 1532 by the pastor of the Waldensian Temple.

Eugenio Bernardini, the moderator of the Waldensian Church, said that the Bible was a “a sign of the common source of faith and of the common commitment in giving witness so that the world may believe.”
Pope Asks Forgiveness for Persecution of Evangelical Church - ZENIT - English

It's sad how the Catholic hating cults want the conflict to continue.
 
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It's sad how the Catholic hating cults want the conflict to continue.
What is sad is that you are still attempting to make any discussion on Catholic history and theology as if it is a personal criticism of you as a person. That anyone's antipathy toward Catholic history means antipathy against you. Catholic haters? Really? You need to get to grips with what is at stake here...no-one is hating Catholics epostle...but I confess to hating the system which your church which you uphold is desiring to enforce on the world. That is the issue. The question, which the Waldenses had to face for centuries, was one of religious freedom. It wasn't about 'conflict'. It wasn't about the differences between faiths as Francis suggested. The core issue is the ingrained and dogmatic belief within the Catholic church which claims the sole right on earth to decide who is saved, who is not saved, who has teaching authority in regards scripture. Those core issues epostle caused the conflict. Apologising for the conflicts and the persecutions doesn't make an iota of difference if what motivated them still exists.
The Seventh Day Adventist church has been vilified for its interpretation of scripture regarding prophecy, in particular the day/year principle where for every prophetic day, one year is depicted. This principle is found to be most accurate in several places, the most profound as you would be aware being Daniel 9:24 which speaks of the 70 'weeks', which is meant as 490 years, accurately pin-pointing the first advent of Messiah. But another equally accurate number is found also in Daniel, as well as Revelation. The 1260 days...42 months...times, time, and half a time.
This has two distinct applications, being the same time period, for two separate peoples. The oppressor, (Daniel 7:25; Revel.13:5; ) and the oppressed. (Revel. 11:3; 12:6,14). Here is an explanation of why those 1260 day/years are so particularly significant, and how the Papal power so perfectly fulfilled that specific time prophecy. It also explains why Rome is so active in world politics, is seen regularly in meetings with international guests, both political and religious, and why the Bible itself declares of a time coming when all the world shall wonder after her. It is all bound up in our understanding of...
Papal Primacy
What is the real issue involved with the prophetic 1260 years and the topic under present discussion? The real issue is papal primacy. Papal Primacy is what the Papacy wants today. She wants back what she had during those 1260 years.
What is Papal Primacy?
First Papal Primacy is not:
Popularity
It is not being the top civil or political leader in a country.
It is not even whether everyone always accepts that primacy or not.Nor does it mean that she has the greater influence in politics and/or religion.

Papal Primacy during the 1260 years was being recognized by law, to be the supreme teaching authority. It was recognising that the papacy had the legal right to persecute and eradicate all whom she defined as heretics. Papal power resided in her stance of having the very keys over who would enjoy eternal life, or suffer the wrath of God. A faulty application of Matt. 16:19's "bind and loose" was used to give the papacy power to intimidate even powerful kings into obedience in executing their agendas.
The issue isn't whether people liked it or not-- many didn't. The issue isn't whether the papacy suffered weak points during those years. We know there were even times when there were several "popes" fighting for the position. The issue is an entire era, covering 1260 years when papal primacy was established by law. This is highly significant when considering Revelation 13 and a future ecumenical global religion enforcing, by law, her dogmas and doctrines, even under pain of death. The 1260 years past, beginning with Justinian's code of law, and ending with Napoleon's code of law. 538AD to 1798AD. 1260 years.
The issue is papal primacy and the authority to enforce that primacy by civil law and with the use of civil power. The papacy is not satisfied to be "one of the body" of Christian churches. NO, NO, NEVER!
he must be the leader, and controller---THROUGH LEGISLATION AND SHE HAS MADE THIS VERY PLAIN

In an official four page "note" after the release of the Vatican Declaration Dominus Deus which reaffirmed the Papal position of Primacy by Pope John Paul II, the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, (later Pope Benedict 16th) who was the "Prefect" of the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith (Note: that means he was head of the re-established and renamed Office of the Inquisition) stated:
"when the expression 'sister churches' is used in the proper sense, the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Universal Church is not (meant to be) sister but MOTHER of all particular churches. This is not merely a question of terminology, but above all of respecting a basic truth of the Catholic faith: that of the unicity of the Church of Jesus Christ."
Rev. 17 jumps to mind--
Mystery Babylon, the mother.....
This is the primacy that lead to the 1260 years of papal persecution, when that primacy using the power of the state (the kings) to force people into compliance.
Otto Gierke, speaking of Pope Gregory VII (Pope from 1073-1085)writes in "Political Theories of the Middle Ages", p.11-12
"If mankind be only one, and if there can be but one State that comprises all mankind, that State can be no other than the Church that God Himself has founded, and all temporal lordship can be valid only in so far as it is part and parcel of the Church. Therefore the Church, being the one true State, has received by a mandate from God the plenitude of all spiritual and temporal powers, they being integral parts of One Might. The Head of this all embracing State is Christ. BUT, as the Unity of Mankind is to be realized already in this world, His celestial kingship must have a terrestrial presentment. As Christ's Vice-Regent, the earthly Head of the Church is the one and only Head of all Mankind. The Pope is the wielder of what is in principle an Empire (principatus) over the Community of Mortals. He is their Priest and their King; their spiritual and temporal Monarch; their Lawgiver and judge in all causes supreme.
Gregory VII (Pope from 1073-1085) was probably the first pope to claim UNIVERSAL jurisdiction, he issued his Dictatus Papae, containing twenty-seven propositions about the powers of the pope, which declared he was over kings and emperors. ( See "Lives of the Popes, by Richard McBrien, page 186 ) But we see popes crowning and anointing kings and emperors well before that time. Stephen IV anointed and crowned Louis as successor to Charlemagne in 816. Leo III was the pope who crowned Charlemagne. As early as 492 Pope Gelasius claimed the title "Vicar of Christ".
According to Richard McBrien in "Lives of the Popes" p. 80-81 Gelasius I, (pope from 492-496) Wrote a series of letters which read more like legal briefs in defence of papal primacy by appealing to the theory of "two powers" or "two swords" (the spiritual and the temporal) each power has its own sphere BUT the spiritual power is superior to the temporal.​
Even earlier, Pope Leo the Great (r. 440-461) was promoting the right to primacy and asserting that Peter, above all the disciples was given this righIn a letter to the Bishop of Vienna (according "The Faith of the Early Fathers" (FEF), 3 volumes, Collegeville, MN: Liturgical Press, 1970, vol. 3, p. 269;) Pope Leo wrote:
"Although bishops have a common dignity, they are not all of the same rank. Even among the most blessed Apostles, though they were alike in honor, there was a certain distinction of power. All were equal in being chosen, but it was given to one to be pre-eminent over the others . . . the care of the universal Church would converge in the one See of Peter, and nothing should ever be at odds with this head." (Quote also found in Tract: The Authority of the Pope: Part II, Catholic Answers)So early on we see the papal authority asserting it's sovereignty over spiritual power, of which it claimed to be the head. The civil leaders were merely the police department of the Church to be used to further it's aims. With the fall of the western Roman Empire, the church took over the vacated prerogatives of that position. The introduction into law Justinian's code in 533AD and its establishment of Justinian's law in Rome in 538 legally declared the Pope as the "head of all churches". Napoleon's law written in 1793 and enacted in Rome 1798, reversed this.
However, the Lateran Treaty in 1929 saw the Pope reinstated as a civil ruler. The wound was healed. Revelation reveals the beast will be granted, for a short time, global dominion, which will afford him the opportunity to legislate and enforce one particular doctrine he favours above all others. Sunday sacredness.
 
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What is sad is that you are still attempting to make any discussion on Catholic history and theology as if it is a personal criticism of you as a person. That anyone's antipathy toward Catholic history means antipathy against you. Catholic haters? Really? You need to get to grips with what is at stake here...no-one is hating Catholics epostle...but I confess to hating the system which your church which you uphold is desiring to enforce on the world. That is the issue. The question, which the Waldenses had to face for centuries, was one of religious freedom. It wasn't about 'conflict'. It wasn't about the differences between faiths as Francis suggested. The core issue is the ingrained and dogmatic belief within the Catholic church which claims the sole right on earth to decide who is saved, who is not saved, who has teaching authority in regards scripture. Those core issues epostle caused the conflict. Apologising for the conflicts and the persecutions doesn't make an iota of difference if what motivated them still exists.
The Seventh Day Adventist church has been vilified for its interpretation of scripture regarding prophecy, in particular the day/year principle where for every prophetic day, one year is depicted. This principle is found to be most accurate in several places, the most profound as you would be aware being Daniel 9:24 which speaks of the 70 'weeks', which is meant as 490 years, accurately pin-pointing the first advent of Messiah. But another equally accurate number is found also in Daniel, as well as Revelation. The 1260 days...42 months...times, time, and half a time.
This has two distinct applications, being the same time period, for two separate peoples. The oppressor, (Daniel 7:25; Revel.13:5; ) and the oppressed. (Revel. 11:3; 12:6,14). Here is an explanation of why those 1260 day/years are so particularly significant, and how the Papal power so perfectly fulfilled that specific time prophecy. It also explains why Rome is so active in world politics, is seen regularly in meetings with international guests, both political and religious, and why the Bible itself declares of a time coming when all the world shall wonder after her. It is all bound up in our understanding of...
Papal Primacy
What is the real issue involved with the prophetic 1260 years and the topic under present discussion? The real issue is papal primacy. Papal Primacy is what the Papacy wants today. She wants back what she had during those 1260 years.
What is Papal Primacy?
First Papal Primacy is not:
Popularity
It is not being the top civil or political leader in a country.
It is not even whether everyone always accepts that primacy or not.Nor does it mean that she has the greater influence in politics and/or religion.

Papal Primacy during the 1260 years was being recognized by law, to be the supreme teaching authority. It was recognising that the papacy had the legal right to persecute and eradicate all whom she defined as heretics. Papal power resided in her stance of having the very keys over who would enjoy eternal life, or suffer the wrath of God. A faulty application of Matt. 16:19's "bind and loose" was used to give the papacy power to intimidate even powerful kings into obedience in executing their agendas.
The issue isn't whether people liked it or not-- many didn't. The issue isn't whether the papacy suffered weak points during those years. We know there were even times when there were several "popes" fighting for the position. The issue is an entire era, covering 1260 years when papal primacy was established by law. This is highly significant when considering Revelation 13 and a future ecumenical global religion enforcing, by law, her dogmas and doctrines, even under pain of death. The 1260 years past, beginning with Justinian's code of law, and ending with Napoleon's code of law. 538AD to 1798AD. 1260 years.
The issue is papal primacy and the authority to enforce that primacy by civil law and with the use of civil power. The papacy is not satisfied to be "one of the body" of Christian churches. NO, NO, NEVER!
he must be the leader, and controller---THROUGH LEGISLATION AND SHE HAS MADE THIS VERY PLAIN

In an official four page "note" after the release of the Vatican Declaration Dominus Deus which reaffirmed the Papal position of Primacy by Pope John Paul II, the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, (later Pope Benedict 16th) who was the "Prefect" of the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith (Note: that means he was head of the re-established and renamed Office of the Inquisition) stated:
"when the expression 'sister churches' is used in the proper sense, the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Universal Church is not (meant to be) sister but MOTHER of all particular churches. This is not merely a question of terminology, but above all of respecting a basic truth of the Catholic faith: that of the unicity of the Church of Jesus Christ."
Rev. 17 jumps to mind--
Mystery Babylon, the mother.....
This is the primacy that lead to the 1260 years of papal persecution, when that primacy using the power of the state (the kings) to force people into compliance.
Otto Gierke, speaking of Pope Gregory VII (Pope from 1073-1085)writes in "Political Theories of the Middle Ages", p.11-12
"If mankind be only one, and if there can be but one State that comprises all mankind, that State can be no other than the Church that God Himself has founded, and all temporal lordship can be valid only in so far as it is part and parcel of the Church. Therefore the Church, being the one true State, has received by a mandate from God the plenitude of all spiritual and temporal powers, they being integral parts of One Might. The Head of this all embracing State is Christ. BUT, as the Unity of Mankind is to be realized already in this world, His celestial kingship must have a terrestrial presentment. As Christ's Vice-Regent, the earthly Head of the Church is the one and only Head of all Mankind. The Pope is the wielder of what is in principle an Empire (principatus) over the Community of Mortals. He is their Priest and their King; their spiritual and temporal Monarch; their Lawgiver and judge in all causes supreme.
Gregory VII (Pope from 1073-1085) was probably the first pope to claim UNIVERSAL jurisdiction, he issued his Dictatus Papae, containing twenty-seven propositions about the powers of the pope, which declared he was over kings and emperors. ( See "Lives of the Popes, by Richard McBrien, page 186 ) But we see popes crowning and anointing kings and emperors well before that time. Stephen IV anointed and crowned Louis as successor to Charlemagne in 816. Leo III was the pope who crowned Charlemagne. As early as 492 Pope Gelasius claimed the title "Vicar of Christ".
According to Richard McBrien in "Lives of the Popes" p. 80-81 Gelasius I, (pope from 492-496) Wrote a series of letters which read more like legal briefs in defence of papal primacy by appealing to the theory of "two powers" or "two swords" (the spiritual and the temporal) each power has its own sphere BUT the spiritual power is superior to the temporal.​
Even earlier, Pope Leo the Great (r. 440-461) was promoting the right to primacy and asserting that Peter, above all the disciples was given this righIn a letter to the Bishop of Vienna (according "The Faith of the Early Fathers" (FEF), 3 volumes, Collegeville, MN: Liturgical Press, 1970, vol. 3, p. 269;) Pope Leo wrote:
"Although bishops have a common dignity, they are not all of the same rank. Even among the most blessed Apostles, though they were alike in honor, there was a certain distinction of power. All were equal in being chosen, but it was given to one to be pre-eminent over the others . . . the care of the universal Church would converge in the one See of Peter, and nothing should ever be at odds with this head." (Quote also found in Tract: The Authority of the Pope: Part II, Catholic Answers)So early on we see the papal authority asserting it's sovereignty over spiritual power, of which it claimed to be the head. The civil leaders were merely the police department of the Church to be used to further it's aims. With the fall of the western Roman Empire, the church took over the vacated prerogatives of that position. The introduction into law Justinian's code in 533AD and its establishment of Justinian's law in Rome in 538 legally declared the Pope as the "head of all churches". Napoleon's law written in 1793 and enacted in Rome 1798, reversed this.
However, the Lateran Treaty in 1929 saw the Pope reinstated as a civil ruler. The wound was healed. Revelation reveals the beast will be granted, for a short time, global dominion, which will afford him the opportunity to legislate and enforce one particular doctrine he favours above all others. Sunday sacredness.
Well said brakelite. Yes, the message is going out in one way or the other and people are becoming sharper on the matter as we rush with unprecedented speed towards Jesus's return......'babylon is fallen is fallen....come out of her my people....' Revelation 18:2-4
 
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I actually disagree with the above article which claims the Waldensian movement began with Peter Waldo in the 12th century.
I would agree with you (I simply quoted that as one source). People should do their own independent research.

Bible-believing Christians were all over the world for the first 15 centuries, and many were condemned by the Catholic as heretics. So Peter Waldo was a spiritual descendant of others who had gone before.

Here is what the New Advent Catholic Encylopedia has to say: An heretical sect which appeared in the second half of the twelfth century and, in a considerably modified form, has survived to the present day.

Obviously this is a blatant lie but supports the Catholic position of being the "one true church with Peter as the first pope".
 
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I would agree with you (I simply quoted that as one source). People should do their own independent research.

Bible-believing Christians were all over the world for the first 15 centuries, and many were condemned by the Catholic as heretics. So Peter Waldo was a spiritual descendant of others who had gone before.

Here is what the New Advent Catholic Encylopedia has to say: An heretical sect which appeared in the second half of the twelfth century and, in a considerably modified form, has survived to the present day.

Obviously this is a blatant lie but supports the Catholic position of being the "one true church with Peter as the first pope".
There is an excellent free book available in PDF form online called Truth Triumphant. The author cites numerous historians from over the centuries including Catholic, to show precisely as you mentioned above...the Christian church being world-wide...and much earlier than anyone would in this present day imagine. Even as far as China, the Philippines and Japan...and believe it or not the evidence for early Christianity in those nations destroyed or falsified by later Jesuit missionaries.
 
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