The Truth About Hell

[Christian Mystic]

QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 12 2009, 06:16 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70692
Before you go to Christina, I like to know where in the scriptures say we will populate the Earth and have children in the Millennium Reign? And I like to see scriptures where there are some people classified as an "unglorified" individuals?
Hi, God bless you Jordan. I'll try to give you the answer as I understand it.You see first there is much debate about what many call the "rapture". Some believe that it is before the Tribulation, others believe that it is after the Tribulation. We'll go with the Post Tribulational theory here. The idea is that when Christ returns the dead are raised and those who are saved are "raptured" or "caught up" to be with Christ in the air. Both enjoy glorified bodies and return with Christ as he physically returns to earth. Now...during the Tribulation there will be many who take the "mark of the beast", these of course are smitten by Christ and the hosts of Heaven at Christ's return. However there are "those who endure unto the end" who were not Christians...neither did they take the mark. These are not glorified individuals...yet these are allowed to enter the Millennium. The idea is that these are the ones who build houses and have children in the Millennium. This idea is drawn from a passage in Isaiah,

Isaiah 65:18-2518But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. 19And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. 20There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. 21And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. 22They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. 23They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them. 24And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. 25The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.​

Of course, there is a more covenantal interpretation of this passage, but then we'd be departing from standard futurist Dispensational theology. So the answer is "WE", meaning Christians glorified at Christ's coming, do NOT have children during the Millennium. The idea is that the "nations" who enter the Millennium who are not Christians at Christ's coming are unglorified and have children. The standard line is that we rule and reign over them for a 1000 years with Christ. However, this doesn't answer the initial question. The hypothetical Hindu girl who died yesterday without having heard the Gospel isn't resurrected for the Millennium. In standard fundamentalist theology she remains in Hell (Hades) until the Final Judgment and then she is relegated to the Lake of Fire. This is the standard theological concept in Dispensational theology, which is the leading theological perspective in Evangelical Christianity today. So to repeat it broken down so as to not be misunderstood....

• Christians are glorified at Christ's coming and don't have children.
• Those with the Mark of the Beast are defeated and are cast into the lake of fire.
• Those who endure until the end of the Tribulation enter the Millennium in unglorified bodies and have children when Christ returns.

QUOTE (Christina @ Mar 12 2009, 07:52 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70693
Congratulations I spent as many years studying God while you may be well versed in men they are just men and the book was closed until knowledge increased and the seal broken. Studying men doesnt give one wisdom from God but confusion of men. And I would like to hear ansewr ti Jordans questions also
In other words you know of not theological works or theologians who have also come to the same conclusion as the "private interpretation" you hold.

 

[tomwebster]

QUOTE (Christian Mystic @ Mar 12 2009, 09:48 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70701
Hi, God bless you Jordan. I'll try to give you the answer as I understand it.You see first there is much debate about what many call the "rapture". Some believe that it is before the Tribulation, others believe that it is after the Tribulation. We'll go with the Post Tribulational theory here. The idea is that when Christ returns the dead are raised and those who are saved are "raptured" or "caught up" to be with Christ in the air. Both enjoy glorified bodies and return with Christ as he physically returns to earth. Now...during the Tribulation there will be many who take the "mark of the beast", these of course are smitten by Christ and the hosts of Heaven at Christ's return. However there are "those who endure unto the end" who were not Christians...neither did they take the mark. These are not glorified individuals...yet these are allowed to enter the Millennium. The idea is that these are the ones who build houses and have children in the Millennium. This idea is drawn from a passage in Isaiah,

Isaiah 65:18-2518But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. 19And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. 20There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. 21And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. 22They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. 23They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them. 24And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. 25The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.​

Of course, there is a more covenantal interpretation of this passage, but then we'd be departing from standard futurist Dispensational theology. So the answer is "WE", meaning Christians glorified at Christ's coming, do NOT have children during the Millennium. The idea is that the "nations" who enter the Millennium who are not Christians at Christ's coming are unglorified and have children. The standard line is that we rule and reign over them for a 1000 years with Christ. However, this doesn't answer the initial question. The hypothetical Hindu girl who died yesterday without having heard the Gospel isn't resurrected for the Millennium. In standard fundamentalist theology she remains in Hell (Hades) until the Final Judgment and then she is relegated to the Lake of Fire. This is the standard theological concept in Dispensational theology, which is the leading theological perspective in Evangelical Christianity today. So to repeat it broken down so as to not be misunderstood....

• Christians are glorified at Christ's coming and don't have children.
• Those with the Mark of the Beast are defeated and are cast into the lake of fire.
• Those who endure until the end of the Tribulation enter the Millennium in unglorified bodies and have children when Christ returns.

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Do you really teach somewhere?

 

[Jordan]

QUOTE (Christian Mystic @ Mar 12 2009, 09:48 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70701
QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 12 2009, 05:16 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70692
Before you go to Christina, I like to know where in the scriptures say we will populate the Earth and have children in the Millennium Reign? And I like to see scriptures where there are some people classified as an "unglorified" individuals?
Hi, God bless you Jordan. I'll try to give you the answer as I understand it.You see first there is much debate about what many call the "rapture". Some believe that it is before the Tribulation, others believe that it is after the Tribulation. We'll go with the Post Tribulational theory here. The idea is that when Christ returns the dead are raised and those who are saved are "raptured" or "caught up" to be with Christ in the air. Both enjoy glorified bodies and return with Christ as he physically returns to earth. Now...during the Tribulation there will be many who take the "mark of the beast", these of course are smitten by Christ and the hosts of Heaven at Christ's return. However there are "those who endure unto the end" who were not Christians...neither did they take the mark. These are not glorified individuals...yet these are allowed to enter the Millennium. The idea is that these are the ones who build houses and have children in the Millennium. This idea is drawn from a passage in Isaiah,

Isaiah 65:18-2518But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. 19And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. 20There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. 21And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. 22They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. 23They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them. 24And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. 25The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.​

Of course, there is a more covenantal interpretation of this passage, but then we'd be departing from standard futurist Dispensational theology. So the answer is "WE", meaning Christians glorified at Christ's coming, do NOT have children during the Millennium. The idea is that the "nations" who enter the Millennium who are not Christians at Christ's coming are unglorified and have children. The standard line is that we rule and reign over them for a 1000 years with Christ. However, this doesn't answer the initial question. The hypothetical Hindu girl who died yesterday without having heard the Gospel isn't resurrected for the Millennium. In standard fundamentalist theology she remains in Hell (Hades) until the Final Judgment and then she is relegated to the Lake of Fire. This is the standard theological concept in Dispensational theology, which is the leading theological perspective in Evangelical Christianity today. So to repeat it broken down so as to not be misunderstood....

• Christians are glorified at Christ's coming and don't have children.
• Those with the Mark of the Beast are defeated and are cast into the lake of fire.
• Those who endure until the end of the Tribulation enter the Millennium in unglorified bodies and have children when Christ returns.

QUOTE (Christina @ Mar 12 2009, 06:52 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70693
Congratulations I spent as many years studying God while you may be well versed in men they are just men and the book was closed until knowledge increased and the seal broken. Studying men doesnt give one wisdom from God but confusion of men. And I would like to hear ansewr ti Jordans questions also
In other words you know of not theological works or theologians who have also come to the same conclusion as the "private interpretation" you hold.

Sheesh, your scriptures clearly, I mean very clearly does not speak of anybody are going to have children... Those scriptures are clearly at the Millennium Reign... but no pregnancies involved.Matthew 22:30 - For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.Mark 12:25 - For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.Luke 20:34-36 - And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

 

[Christian Mystic]

QUOTE (Christina @ Mar 12 2009, 05:34 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70689
The only conclusion we can come to is that the everlasting fire, is not actually fire that is everlasting, but rather fire which consumes with everlasting consequences.
We come to similar conclusions. However, you believe that the fire will eternally destroy the unsaved. I believe it will punish and purify their sinful nature and that they will be reconciled to God at some point in eternity. And in that day all creation, every man who has ever lived, shall worship and glorify God in Christ Jesus....

I John 2:2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.​

Psalms 90: 3Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.​

Psalms 86: 9All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name.​

Psalms 66: 3-4Say unto God, How terrible art thou in thy works! through the greatness of thy power shall thine enemies submit themselves unto thee. All the earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto thee; they shall sing to thy name. Selah.​

Colossians 1:15-2015 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, 20 and by Him to reconcile (apokatallasso) all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.​

Lamentations 3:31-3231For the LORD will not cast off for ever:32But though he cause grief, yet will he have compassion according to the multitude of his mercies.​

Please note all readers....God restores those destroyed in Sodom and Gomorrah...

Ezekiel 16:5353When I shall bring again their captivity, the captivity of Sodom and her daughters, and the captivity of Samaria and her daughters, then will I bring again the captivity of thy captives in the midst of them:​

NIV translation for those who find the KJV difficult to understand....

Ezekiel 16:53 (NIV)I will restore their fortunes, both the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters, and the fortunes of Samaria and her daughters, and I will restore your own fortunes in their midst,​

Matthew 25:26 26Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.​

Matthew 18:34-3534And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. 35So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.​

I Corinthians 15:2626The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.​

If death is destroyed what else is there? Nothing but LIFE! For if many were forever suffering "death" death and it's effects would remain forever regarding those within it's condition. The implication is that all are to be made alive...1 Corinthians 15:22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall ALL be made alive.Even the very conditions of death and suffering shall be vanquished....Revelation 21:44And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.If the very condition of death is vanquished, none are "dead" forever. If there is no more sorrow, crying, or pain...obviously NONE are roasting in Hell forever.The dead can and do respond to the Gospel....

1Peter 3:18-20 18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.​

I Peter 4:66For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.​

William Barclay once wrote....

"If Christ descended into Hades and preached there,there is no corner of the universe into which the messageof grace has not come. There is in this passage thesolution of one of the most haunting questions raisedby the Christian faith—what is to happen to those wholived before Jesus Christ and to those to whom the gospelnever came? There can be no salvation without repentancebut how can repentance come to those whohave never been confronted with the love and holinessof God? If there is no other name by which men may besaved, what is to happen to those who never heard it?This is the point that Justin Martyr fastened on longago: “The Lord, the Holy God of Israel, remembered hisdead, those sleeping in the earth, and came down tothem to tell them the good news of salvation.” The doctrineof the descent into Hades conserves the precioustruth that no man who ever lived is left without a sightof Christ and without the offer of the salvation of God.Many in repeating the creed have found the phrase, “Hedescended into hell” either meaningless or bewildering,and have tacitly agreed to set it on one side and forgetit. It may well be that we ought to think of this as a picturepainted in terms of poetry rather than a doctrinestated in terms of theology." - Barclay, William. The Letters of James and Peter. The Daily Study Bible Series. Philadelphia:Westminster, 1978. 242-243​

What an awesome God we serve! The Gospel shall be victorious to the saving of all mankind! Satan will win nothing. Those who propose that Satan will successfully cause the majority of men to be lost...give him glory with this notion. I have news for Hell...you've lost. No soul that you hold will remain in Hell. Our God shall squash evil and death. God will destroy evil be purifying his children completely forever...he will vanquish death by giving ALL life.

 

[setfree]

QUOTE (Christian Mystic @ Mar 12 2009, 12:05 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70665
A 16 year old Hindu girl who never heard the Gospel didn't CHOOSE to believe lies. She never knew the truth. This is what's wrong with your fundamentalism. You shut up heaven for most human beings with your exclusivist doctrines of men. You assume that just because they never heard the Gospel they must have CHOSEN Satan. How silly and illogical! LOL
This has been on my mind since I read it...and I believe in some cases they will fall under an innocent infant-not knowing they are a sinner. But as I quoted before...Rom. 1:19-23 SAYS WE ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE! The age of accountability could vary???? Just some thoughts....

 

[Christian Mystic]

QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 12 2009, 11:08 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70703
Sheesh, your scriptures clearly, I mean very clearly does not speak of anybody are going to have children... Those scriptures are clearly at the Millennium Reign... but no pregnancies involved.Matthew 22:30 - For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.Mark 12:25 - For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.Luke 20:34-36 - And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
All of the Scriptures you state only apply to those CHRISTIANS who are raised from the dead or glorified at Christ's coming. Non-Christians who endure to the end of the Tribulation without taking the mark of the beast enter into the Millennium in normal human bodies. These are the "nations" that the glorified saints reign over with Christ. These individuals are the one's that have children...not the CHRISTIANS who share in the resurrection. Read it all the way through my brother! Scofield, Ryrie, Larkin, Woodard, and many, many, others have made this observation. I find it interesting that you make a claim regarding the Millennium (a Dispensational doctrine) but you have no grasp of classical Dispensationalism! ROFL

Isaiah 65:18-2518But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. 19And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. 20There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. 21And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. 22They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. 23They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them. 24And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. 25The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.​

Those who have offspring aren't glorified saints....they are those who comprise the unglorified "nations" that enter the Millennium. For example...if millions of unsaved Chinese people don't bow to Antichrist or take the mark endure unto the time of Christ's coming...Dispensationalism teaches that these unsaved Chinese people will enter the Millennium in normal human bodies and that Christ and the resurrected saints will rule over them, along with the other peoples who survive the Tribulation.

 

[Jordan]

It's just amazes me that so many people having a completely hard time understanding the Truth, so therefore they will always pick and choose which scriptures they want to believe and deny other scriptures that clearly refute their beliefs. Should I say wicked beliefs? Well I guess they will have to take it to God why I (anybody) believe You (God) are a liar.

 

[Christian Mystic]

QUOTE (setfree @ Mar 12 2009, 11:33 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70707
This has been on my mind since I read it...and I believe in some cases they will fall under an innocent infant-not knowing they are a sinner. But as I quoted before...Rom. 1:19-23 SAYS WE ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE! The age of accountability could vary???? Just some thoughts....
I think you have to remember...Romans is a theological letter written to the CHRISTIANS in Rome, not the lost. We CHRISTIANS who have heard the Gospel are without excuse. In fact Paul states in verse 21 that, "when they knew God," In other words...these knew the Gospel, these knew God, and they degenerated back into reprobate and sinful behaviors. There isn't an "age of accountability" mentioned in Scripture. But Peter does write of something interesting....

I Peter 4:66For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.​

In Peter's day those who died prior to the Gospel or having never heard the Gospel were preached to in death. These were judged for their response to the Gospel just as men who are alive and in the flesh. These clearly obeyed the Gospel and lived according to God's will while in the spirit. Now...if God can see to it that the Gospel was preached to the dead in Peter's day...can't he do that throughout human history??? After all...God is the SAME yesterday, today, and forever more. If God saw to it that the Gospel was preached to the dead then...he's doing it now. This goes back to the fact that those who hear and obey the Gospel, though they even be dead...they can obey and be saved. This also agrees with countless near death experiences wherein irreligious people encountered Jesus, believed, were pulled from torments, and allowed to return to life. Who's to say that the Gospel cannot be preached to the soul of the 16 year old Hindu girl who dies without having heard it? Who's to say that she can't obey it and be saved? Surely not even death can separate us from the love of God which is found in Christ Jesus our Lord.I know this idea collides with TRADITIONAL beliefs...but it is in perfect harmony with God's loving nature, the purpose of the cross, the countless Scriptures indicating that all the world shall be saved, and the fact that Jesus came to take away the sins of the world...not just a select few.

 

[setfree]

Just a question for anyone...Is there anywhere in the Bible where it says our spirit dies?

 

[Christian Mystic]

QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 12 2009, 11:34 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70709
It's just amazes me that so many people having a completely hard time understanding the Truth, so therefore they will always pick and choose which scriptures they want to believe and deny other scriptures that clearly refute their believes. Should I say wicked beliefs? Well I guess they will have to take it to God why I (anybody) believe You (God) are a liar.
Jordan can you provide any theological works or scholars who hold your interpretation...or is it your own "private" little revelation? lol

 

[Jordan]

QUOTE (setfree @ Mar 12 2009, 10:43 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70711
Just a question for anyone...Is there anywhere in the Bible where it says our spirit dies?
Over and over we said the same answer which is Truth to you.... why don't you search it yourself without anybody giving the same Truth a zillion times.

 

[Christian Mystic]

QUOTE (setfree @ Mar 12 2009, 11:43 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70711
Just a question for anyone...Is there anywhere in the Bible where it says our spirit dies?
Define "death". Repentance is a type of "death". It is a "death" to self and sin, subsequent baptism is likened unto burial. So there is a spiritual dying that takes place when one comes to Christ.The body dies and the soul lives on, as we see regarding Jesus Christ after he died his soul descended into Hell and preached to the souls in prison. So there is physical death.If God is life and a soul is cut off from God's presence it can be argued that said soul is "spiritually dead" as anyone who is alienated from God. Then there are some here who believe that the soul can be vaporized and destroyed, ceasing to exist. That's a very complex question there Setfree.

 

[tomwebster]

QUOTE (setfree @ Mar 12 2009, 10:43 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70711
Just a question for anyone...Is there anywhere in the Bible where it says our spirit dies?
This one comes to mind:Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

[watchman]

QUOTE (Christina @ Mar 12 2009, 12:31 PM) *You can all believe as you chose but God has a plan so if you think you can change the nature of God and figure out his whole plan by one or two words in a verse being misunderstood be my guest ... There is no burning in hell forever just a lack of man to understand God his nature and his plan .. He says Sodom and gomorrah would burn forever is it still burning ?????????????QUOTE (watchman @ Mar 12 2009, 09:12 PM) *Where is that scripture?QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 12 2009, 09:17 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70699
Instead of going after her all the time, why don't you search it for yourself. In fact, start with my posts on this very thread.
Yeah how dare I ask someone to back up their claims with scripture. What kind of person would do that? I have studied the subject and no where does God say Sodom or Gomorrah would burn forever. If He did then quote the scripture, for all you know that scripture might convince me of your point. however I am sure you will not find a scripture that says God said Sodom and Gomorrah would burn forever.Prove me wrong.

 

[Christian Mystic]

QUOTE (tomwebster @ Mar 12 2009, 11:47 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70715
This one comes to mind:Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is ABLE to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Please note the context and the wording. Here Jesus is sending his disciples forward to preach the Gospel. He warns them not to fear man, but rather to fear God who is ABLE to destroy both soul and body in hell. The point of this passage isn't to explain what happens to the lost, but rather that we are not to fear men...we should only fear God. While Christ stated that God is ABLE to destroy both soul and body in Hell....Jesus never said he actually would.

For example, Jesus also said....

Matthew 3:9And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.​

As you can see Jesus states here that God is ABLE to turn stones into children of Abraham. This demonstrates God's power...Jesus never said he would. So many take Mat 10:28 like Jesus was teaching about the afterlife...he wasn't. He was just using an example of what God COULD do or is ABLE to do with his power.

 

[Jordan]

God does not want our fear. He wants our love. Not our fear...

 

[Christian Mystic]

QUOTE (watchman @ Mar 12 2009, 11:53 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70717
QUOTE (Christina @ Mar 12 2009, 12:31 PM) *You can all believe as you chose but God has a plan so if you think you can change the nature of God and figure out his whole plan by one or two words in a verse being misunderstood be my guest ... There is no burning in hell forever just a lack of man to understand God his nature and his plan .. He says Sodom and gomorrah would burn forever is it still burning ?????????????QUOTE (watchman @ Mar 12 2009, 09:12 PM) *Where is that scripture?Yeah how dare I ask someone to back up their claims with scripture. What kind of person would do that? I have studied the subject and no where does God say Sodom or Gomorrah would burn forever. If He did then quote the scripture, for all you know that scripture might convince me of your point. however I am sure you will not find a scripture that says God said Sodom and Gomorrah would burn forever.Prove me wrong.
Great points. In fact...God promises to resurrect and restore Sodom....

Ezekiel 16:53 (NIV)I will restore their fortunes, both the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters, and the fortunes of Samaria and her daughters, and I will restore your own fortunes in their midst,​

How can God restore Sodom if she is destroyed or left to burn forever???

 

[tomwebster]

Christian Mystic,Believe whatever you want. I don't care.

 

[Christian Mystic]

QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 12 2009, 11:59 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70719
God does not want our fear. He wants our love. Not our fear...

Love for God brings an understanding of his awesome power...that instills a holy fear, something more akin to reverence.QUOTE (tomwebster @ Mar 13 2009, 12:01 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70721
Christian Mystic,Believe whatever you want. I don't care.
Typical.

Tom, has any of your loved ones died without knowing Christ?

 

[Jordan]

Matthew 7:21 - Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.Matthew 7:22 - Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?Matthew 7:23 - And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.