As I said JS; tell us how you know this?John S said:The antichrist will NOT be Assyrian, Muslim, Jewish, or anything else. He will be nominally Christian from Europe.
Floyd.
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As I said JS; tell us how you know this?John S said:The antichrist will NOT be Assyrian, Muslim, Jewish, or anything else. He will be nominally Christian from Europe.
I have already told you. The antichrist will be from the Tribe of Dan, according to Genesis 49. It is my opinion that Dan is currently Italy. It is highly unlikely that there are any Assyrians in Italy.As I said JS; tell us how you know this?
Floyd.
John S said:There isn't going to be a One World Government - just peace treaties that the antichrist will be able to forge with every nation on Earth - bringing peace to the entire planet.
God will be the one who causes those peace treaties to be broken when He puts it into the heads of a few leaders to break those treaties. THIS is what is Biblically known as "The Day of the Lord" and what will be secularly known as World War III. The Tribulation will end when Jesus arrives and begins the 1000 years of actual peace.
Very simply, Revelation is about the rise of a dictator and the results of the world war that follows. If Jesus Christ didn't return, all of mankind would be annihilated.
...and it DOES matter where the antichrist comes from so that you know what you are looking for when everyone else is deceived, ESPECIALLY the pre-Tribbers who will NOT be whisked away.
Sorry I don't see this in Gen 49...maybe you can qualify this, AND why you think the antichrist will come from Italy?John S said:Dan is NOT included as having any of its members be a part of the Elect because the antichrist will come from Dan.
Jacob said that Dan would "judge" his people in Genesis 49. The Roman Empire had such a great judicial system that it was copied by Great Britain and then by the U.S.
Therefore, I believe that Dan is currently the country of Italy. So I am looking for a man from Italy - and NOT the Pope, although he MIGHT be the false prophet - but we'll see.
You are getting worse Jack; not better, re your understanding?shturt678 said:Thank you folks for caring!
Only a head's up, ie, that Antichrist has been around for well over a 1,000 years thus no sense looking forward to him in some future time??? Satan is personally defeated, and in the abyss (hell) thus no sense trying to look for him???
Think more in terms of a remnant of Jews that become Jewish Christians, and not the 12 tribes that were rejected loooooong ago.
Old Jack
I explained my reasons in the part that you quoted from my interpretations of Genesis 49 - Jacob's prophecies from God telling Jacob just what will become of his son's Tribes.StanJ said:Sorry I don't see this in Gen 49...maybe you can qualify this, AND why you think the antichrist will come from Italy?
Thank you for your response and caring again!Floyd said:You are getting worse Jack; not better, re your understanding?
Floyd.
Oh I see you're one of those that uses forums as a platform for your PsOV sand not to discuss or learn anything.John S said:I explained my reasons in the part that you quoted from my interpretations of Genesis 49 - Jacob's prophecies from God telling Jacob just what will become of his son's Tribes.
You don't have to agree with me - and that's fine.
I am looking for a man from Italy. You can look for someone from somewhere else. Someone else can look elsewhere.
How do you know it's not Levi that is in its place?StanJ said:Dan is NOT one of the twelve tribes of Israel noted in Rev 7. Manasseh is in it's place. You can find a list and reason why below.
http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/14725/why-was-dan-removed-from-the-list-of-12-israel-tribes-in-rev-7
But, the twelve tribes were NOT "rejected long ago!" They were TEMPORARILY BLINDED while allowing the Goyim (Gentiles) to come into the family! You just need to read and re-read Romans chapters 9 through 11 until it dawns on you what PAUL was saying. (NOT what others SAY Paul was saying.)shturt678 said:Thank you folks for caring!
Only a head's up, ie, that Antichrist has been around for well over a 1,000 years thus no sense looking forward to him in some future time??? Satan is personally defeated, and in the abyss (hell) thus no sense trying to look for him???
Think more in terms of a remnant of Jews that become Jewish Christians, and not the 12 tribes that were rejected loooooong ago.
Old Jack
I don't go with that Marcus; as IMO, since Acts28:25-28, the prime object of God is to build the Body of Christ, which will complete when the "times of the Gentiles" is completed.Marcus O'Reillius said:Between the iPad and the message board, I can't get the quote function to work... So -
Retro: Good point about the New Jerusalem Gates and the twelve tribes. Interesting that Jesus didn't have John list the twelve names.
I have for some time, thought that the 144,000 were Christian because they 1. were Firstfruits of the Harvest, and 2. followed Jesus. Since they are Firstfruits of the Harvest, that example dictates they are of the same type. In the sense that there are four "Israels" (the man, the land, the physical offspring, and the spiritual nation) and the list in Rev 7 differs from every other (and there are many orders of the tribes in the OT numbering between 10 and 13) - it could very well be a reference to the inclusion of the Church as the spiritual Israel Paul expounds upon.
The fact that the Church will be grafted into natural Israel is proved by the final naming of the gates. Again, it's a good question: 'Which tribe will you be in Heaven?'
As said before J. I don't go with this statement.John S said:12,000 of the 144,000 members of the Elect will be Jewish from the Tribe of Judah. The other 132,000 will be Christians from the other Tribes, which had been "Lost" to mankind but have NOT been "lost" to God or to Jacob, when he gave his prophecies concerning his sons Tribes, in Genesis 49.
NO ONE decides which Tribe that they will belong to. That has been determined by their birth. Americans are of one of the Tribes of Joseph - as of Genesis 49.
As does Genesis 49.As said before J. I don't go with this statement.
Rev. 7 gives the detail of each Tribe!
If you argue against clear statements in Scripture, you must beware the consequences.
Floyd.
Again the 10 tribes have disappeared. Not so the two tribes that constituted Judaism in Paul's time. They will endure until the last Gentile is brought into the Kingdom, and the Lord returns for the great judgment - the remnant of Jews that become Jewish Christians of course.Retrobyter said:[SIZE=14.399999618530273px]Thank you for response![/SIZE]Shabbat shalom, Jack.
But, the twelve tribes were NOT "rejected long ago!"
The 10 tribes of the northern kingdom "Israel": Jer.6:30, "Rejected silver they call them, for Jahveh hath rejected them" + disappeared completely - absorbed by paganism. Again a remnant came came over to Judah.
They were TEMPORARILY BLINDED while allowing the Goyim (Gentiles) to come into the family! You just need to read and re-read Romans chapters 9 through 11 until it dawns on you what PAUL was saying. (NOT what others SAY Paul was saying.)
Old JackHave you ever noticed that in the New Jerusalem there are twelve gates named for the twelve tribes of Isra'el and NOT A ONE of them is named "For the Gentiles?" So, to which tribe of Isra'el do YOU belong?