Perhaps what you are doing is not considering a wider compilation of the scriptures to form your understanding. Jeremaih 50 gives us a timeline that is centred during the timeframe that the Israelites begin seeking God. In Jer 50 it speaks of a King from the North, with many other kings', invade the Land of Babylon. Initially it was the Guld War. The Gulf War was a 1990–1991-armed conflict between Iraq and a 42-country coalition led by the United States of America, triggered by Iraq's invasion and annexation of Kuwait on August 2, 1990. Some 12 years later we had the Iraq War. The Iraq War was a protracted armed conflict that lasted from 2003 to 2011. The Iraq invasion was part of the Bush administration's broader war on terror, launched in response to the September 11 attacks. In October 2002, the US Congress passed a bipartisan resolution granting Bush authority to use military force against Iraq. The war began on March 20, 2003, when the US, joined by the UK, Australia, and Poland, initiated a "shock and awe" bombing campaign. Coalition forces launched a ground invasion, defeating Iraqi forces and toppling the Ba'athist regime. Saddam Hussein was captured in 2003 and executed in 2006.
Jay, Jeremiah 50–51 does
NOT say anything about the Gulf War of 1990–91, George W. Bush, September 11, the 2003 invasion of Iraq, or the Coalition of the Willing.
Not one of those identifications appears in the text.
You are doing exactly what I have been warning against: reading modern world events and physical wars
back into biblical prophecy and then presenting those connections as though Scripture itself established them.
Where does Jeremiah identify the “king from the north” as a modern American president? Where does it identify the invading nations as the Gulf War coalition? Where does Jeremiah give 1990, 2003, or any of your modern timetable?
What a joke. It does NOT!
Those connections come from your interpretation of world history, not from Scripture interpreting Scripture.
So telling me that I need a “wider compilation of Scripture” does not solve the problem. A larger collection of verses does not validate an interpretation when the crucial connections are being supplied from modern news and secular history.
That is precisely the kind of
private interpretation I reject. Show the connections
from Scripture itself, not CNN, history books, and modern warfare. Otherwise, this is speculation dressed up as prophecy.
You have made an assumption that I started with Secular History and then look for Scripture to show that the secular history is also found in the Scritpures.
Actually, I started with Scripture and then reflected on what Secular History fitted that portion of Biblical Prophecy.
Jay, that distinction does not rescue your interpretation.
Whether you started with secular history and searched Scripture for a match,
or started with Scripture and searched secular history for something that “fitted,” you still used secular history to supply identifications that the biblical text itself never gives.
Jeremiah does not say, “Gulf War,” “1990,” “United States,” “George Bush,” or “2003 invasion of Iraq.”
YOU supplied those connections.
Finding a historical event that appears to “fit” a prophecy is not the same thing as demonstrating from Scripture that the prophecy refers to that event. Otherwise, anyone could search 2,000 years of history until they find something that seems to fit.
That is my point:
show me Scripture interpreting and identifying the prophecy—not secular history completing the interpretation for you. Biblical history!
In Revelation 16:17-21 we are told this: -
Rev 16:19-21: - 19 The great city was split into three parts, (1948 by resolurion of the UN) and the cities of the nations fell, (WW1 conquest of the Otterman Empire) and God remembered Babylon the great, to make her drain the cup of the wine of the fury of his wrath.( 1926 when Britian and France established a number of nations in the Middle Easts.) 20 And every island fled away, and no mountains, i.e. religions, were to be found.
Jay, you just demonstrated my point again.
Revelation 16:19 does NOT say:
“three parts = UN resolution of 1948”
“cities of the nations fell = WWI/Ottoman Empire”
“Babylon remembered = Britain and France in 1926”
Gee-whiz! Those private interpretations in parentheses are
your additions to the text, not "{Scripture interpreting Scripture."
Why? Because where does Revelation—or ANY Scripture—identify those symbols with
1948, the United Nations, WWI, the Ottoman Empire, Britain, France, or 1926? Show the biblical cross-references that establish those identifications.
You cannot simply attach modern twentieth-century events to prophetic phrases because you think they “fit” and then call that biblical interpretation.
That is
speculation based on secular history, not Scripture interpreting Scripture. You are proving the very point I have been making all along.
I wont response anymore with the rest of your nonsense. Your Eschatology doctrine and interpretation are definitely bad!
And I still see that you
STILL have
NOT answer the question that I have asked you several times:
Why four different beasts in Daniel 7, what do their characteristics signify, and why are the leopard, bear, and lion combined into ONE beast in Revelation 13?
I am
NOT impressed with how you handle the Scripture and fail to provide
biblical answers honestly!
Move on!
Selah!
