The Two seeds

[Jordan]

(Unorthodox Christian;24083)
WOW, thank you Jag, EVEN MORE EVIDENCE TO BACK UP SERPENT SEED! Wow! Revelation is great, it makes me want to jump for Joy!
See, we should get our eyes and read the bible straight, without any preconceived ideas of men. May I give you ah advice...we should watch closely on the genealogy for Christ to come through and the genealogy of the Kenite, because some of these names are so similar and has at least one letter changed that no one is realizing it and some names are completely the same......LIKE Enoch.No problem that I can help you here. Praise God for that.

Jag

 

[savedbygrace57]

(thesuperjag;24075)
Satan is cursed and he is the first damned to the Lake of Fire. (Ezekiel 28:18) But however, since you said that the Kenites can not repent (and they can if they desire to) you implied that Christ is not Saviour of the world. How about this one here...II Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.Jag
Christ is Saviour of the world of His elect...The seed of satan was here before adam sinned...sin came into the world via adam see rom 5 , so christ is the saviour of the world that adam was over at creation..adam only repesented the elect and the 2nd adam represented the elect...

and if I read you correctly, you dont believe christ is the saviour of the world anyway, you believe he is potentially so..lol

 

[Jordan]

(savedbygrace57;24112)
(thesuperjag;24075)
Satan is cursed and he is the first damned to the Lake of Fire. (Ezekiel 28:18) But however, since you said that the Kenites can not repent (and they can if they desire to) you implied that Christ is not Saviour of the world. How about this one here... II Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Jag
Christ is Saviour of the world of His elect...The seed of satan was here before adam sinned...sin came into the world via adam see rom 5 , so christ is the saviour of the world that adam was over at creation..adam only repesented the elect and the 2nd adam represented the elect...

and if I read you correctly, you dont believe christ is the saviour of the world anyway, you believe he is potentially so..lolDo you want to show me scripture where Cain was born before Adam sinned? After all Cain is the main seedline of Satan.Are you one of them that believes where God has has a master list of names, only those who made it on the list are saved, therefore Christ died in vain?Jag

 

[Unorthodox Christian]

savedbygrace, You think you're such a know it all.

 

[savedbygrace57]

cain was born after adam sinned...adam brought sin into the world..see rom 5

 

[Jordan]

(savedbygrace57;24145)
cain was born after adam sinned...adam brought sin into the world..see rom 5
Yea, Adam is the first flesh man that sinned...because Adam ate "the fruit" that Eve gave him to eat......It is completely heart-warming to know the REAL original sin in the Garden of Eden. Since Eve had sex with Satan, I think Adam committed a threesome.On another note, Adam is NOT the first REAL person that sinned. It was Satan way long before Adam existed. Hence the reason that Satan is the first damned to the Lake of Fire. (Ezekiel 28:18)Jag

 

[savedbygrace57]

(thesuperjag;24150)
Yea, Adam is the first flesh man that sinned...because Adam ate "the fruit" that Eve gave him to eat......It is completely heart-warming to know the REAL original sin in the Garden of Eden. Since Eve had sex with Satan, I think Adam committed a threesome.On another note, Adam is NOT the first REAL person that sinned. It was Satan way long before Adam existed. Hence the reason that Satan is the first damned to the Lake of Fire. (Ezekiel 28:18)Jag
The bible specifically says adam brought sin into the world..rom 512Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: You dont believe this statement ?

 

[Jordan]

(savedbygrace57;24189)
(thesuperjag;24150)
Yea, Adam is the first flesh man that sinned...because Adam ate "the fruit" that Eve gave him to eat......It is completely heart-warming to know the REAL original sin in the Garden of Eden. Since Eve had sex with Satan, I think Adam committed a threesome.On another note, Adam is NOT the first REAL person that sinned. It was Satan way long before Adam existed. Hence the reason that Satan is the first damned to the Lake of Fire. (Ezekiel 28:18)Jag
The bible specifically says adam brought sin into the world..rom 512Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: You dont believe this statement ?Yes I believed in that statement. Adam brought sin to every flesh men on this Earth Age. Lucifer is not flesh, and his sin is greater punishment than the one Adam did. His sin was pride and will never repent. Again Lucifer's sin was way long ago before Adam existed in the flesh. Why can't you believe that Lucifer sinned first, since he is the father of all lies.Jag

 

[savedbygrace57]

(thesuperjag;24195)
Yes I believed in that statement. Adam brought sin to every flesh men on this Earth Age. Lucifer is not flesh, and his sin is greater punishment than the one Adam did. His sin was pride and will never repent. Again Lucifer's sin was way long ago before Adam existed in the flesh. Why can't you believe that Lucifer sinned first, since he is the father of all lies.Jag
Yeah but satan sin did not bring sin into the world..adams did , the devasting consequences of sin and death in this world was not a result of satans sin..but adams..Now, satan sin will be punished and their is no remedy and also them who are of satans seed there is no remedy...Thats what jesus was talking about when he said this to some jews:jn 8 4444Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. But here is the clincher..matt 23Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?Now of course jesus knew who the seed of the serpent was , we do not, but they do exist in fact most of humanity are of the seed of the serpent, and the same question Jesus posed to these jews is posed to all satans spritual seed..How can you escape the damnation of hell ? They cant..

 

[Jordan]

(savedbygrace57;24316)
(thesuperjag;24195)
Yes I believed in that statement. Adam brought sin to every flesh men on this Earth Age. Lucifer is not flesh, and his sin is greater punishment than the one Adam did. His sin was pride and will never repent. Again Lucifer's sin was way long ago before Adam existed in the flesh. Why can't you believe that Lucifer sinned first, since he is the father of all lies. Jag
Yeah but satan sin did not bring sin into the world..adams did , the devasting consequences of sin and death in this world was not a result of satans sin..but adams.. Now, satan sin will be punished and their is no remedy and also them who are of satans seed there is no remedy... Thats what jesus was talking about when he said this to some jews: jn 8 44 44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. But here is the clincher.. matt 23 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Now of course jesus knew who the seed of the serpent was , we do not, but they do exist in fact most of humanity are of the seed of the serpent, and the same question Jesus posed to these jews is posed to all satans spritual seed..How can you escape the damnation of hell ? They cant..And they can, not by their own carnal, worldly self. The Kenites still existed. And again, they can repent cause they are flesh, just like all of us. It clearly makes sense that Satan has sex with Eve...having Cain. While Adam and Eve having Abel.Some to most of these "Jews" are Kenites themselves. Hence the reason, they are called the serpent, generation of vipers there. All they need to do is repent of their sins and ask Yahshua, as their Lord and Saviour...since Christ is the Saviour of the world.Another thing, I have a strong gut feeling, that you don't believe that the Kenites can be saved by God...you believe that He died in vain.Jag

 

[savedbygrace57]

And they can,
yeah right , well why dont you tell jesus they can sense he is the one who asked the question..lol

 

[Jordan]

(savedbygrace57;24325)
(thesuperjag;24321)
And they can,
yeah right, well why dont you tell jesus they can sense he is the one who asked the question..lolII Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.Jag

 

[Unorthodox Christian]

It's ironic savedbygrace57, that you choose such a name when you deny that the Grace of God can save sinnersHow Ironic

 

[savedbygrace57]

(Unorthodox Christian;24328)
It's ironic savedbygrace57, that you choose such a name when you deny that the Grace of God can save sinnersHow Ironic
I never said that slanderer, you do the works of your father the devil, prove your statement..

 

[Unorthodox Christian]

You don't believe the Serpent's seed can receive Salvation when clearly the scriptures says ALL SHOULD REPENT, AND THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVES IN YESHUA WILL HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE! You should see how you are not only in our eyes, but in the Lord's Eyes. You are a slanderer, you think you are a judge, some righteous man. Your Pride will be abased guaranteed, and you shall be humbled. Self Exalter! You claim and say people aren't born again, I guess you are the Holy Ghost right? I love you in Christ, but if you keep up with this, I'll just ignore you. GOD BLESS IN YESHUA'S NAME

 

[Jordan]

John 7:18 - He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.Jag

 

[Letsgofishing]

So let me get this straight, you believe that Eve eating the fruit was actually Eve having sex with satan ( this already has me consused. how does a tree represent a sexual act with the devil) and therefore has set a bloodline which lasts until today ( so your saying that these so called satan spawn got let on the ark) So in other words half of the people on the earth are from God and half are from satan.this is a very scary doctrine which has already caused divisions between usOriginally Posted by Unorthodox Christian It's ironic savedbygrace57, that you choose such a name when you deny that the Grace of God can save sinnersHow Ironic I never said that slanderer, you do the works of your father the devil, prove your statement.. and then Unorthodoxs statement backYou don't believe the Serpent's seed can receive Salvation when clearly the scriptures says ALL SHOULD REPENT, AND THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVES IN YESHUA WILL HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE! You should see how you are not only in our eyes, but in the Lord's Eyes. You are a slanderer, you think you are a judge, some righteous man. Your Pride will be abased guaranteed, and you shall be humbled. Self Exalter! You claim and say people aren't born again, I guess you are the Holy Ghost right? I love you in Christ, but if you keep up with this, I'll just ignore you. GOD BLESS IN YESHUA'S NAME Lets go fishing continues talking hearPlease understand we are all sons of God and none are sons of the devil. Do not judge each other like this teaching has already caused you to do so. leave the judging up to God. Your Brother in ChristRyan Fitz

 

[Jordan]

(Letsgofishing;24401)
So let me get this straight, you believe that Eve eating the fruit was actually Eve having sex with satan ( this already has me consused. how does a tree represent a sexual act with the devil) and therefore has set a bloodline which lasts until today ( so your saying that these so called satan spawn got let on the ark) So in other words half of the people on the earth are from God and half are from satan.this is a very scary doctrine which has already caused divisions between usOriginally Posted by Unorthodox Christian It's ironic savedbygrace57, that you choose such a name when you deny that the Grace of God can save sinnersHow Ironic I never said that slanderer, you do the works of your father the devil, prove your statement.. and then Unorthodoxs statement backYou don't believe the Serpent's seed can receive Salvation when clearly the scriptures says ALL SHOULD REPENT, AND THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVES IN YESHUA WILL HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE! You should see how you are not only in our eyes, but in the Lord's Eyes. You are a slanderer, you think you are a judge, some righteous man. Your Pride will be abased guaranteed, and you shall be humbled. Self Exalter! You claim and say people aren't born again, I guess you are the Holy Ghost right? I love you in Christ, but if you keep up with this, I'll just ignore you. GOD BLESS IN YESHUA'S NAME Lets go fishing continues talking hearPlease understand we are all sons of God and none are sons of the devil. Do not judge each other like this teaching has already caused you to do so. leave the judging up to God. Your Brother in ChristRyan Fitz
Not at all...There was "trees"...God told Adam to stay away from the "tree of knowledge of good and evil" (Satan) (Genesis 2:16-17) Apparently Eve knew it too but, misquoted God at Genesis 3:2-3. Eve had sex with Satan (Genesis 3:13, II corinthians 11:3) giving birth to Cain (Genesis 3:15) which the Kenites will kill Yahshua on the cross (Genesis 3:15)Trees = PeopleThe tree of knowledge of good and evil = SatanSerpent = SatanThe tree of life = Yahshua.Jag

 

[Christina]

Its not a treeTrees and a serpent are given in this chapter to represent men. God, in fact, calls Himself the Evergreen tree, or Fir tree in Ezekiel 31:8. To understand what, and who this serpent is, we turn to Revelation 20:2 to clear up our understanding. "And He laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan," So we see that it is Satan that is the serpent. Satan also has many other names, and in this final generation he will be known as "the Antichrist", and the "son of perdition". Just as the "tree of Life" plays two rolls in the beginning, so also will Satan play two rolls. Satan is present in the Garden of Eden, and he played the role of the "serpent", and the "tree of good and evil". This word "serpent" in the Hebrew text is "Nachash", and is from the root word, # 5172 in Strong's Hebrew dictionary, "meaning to whisper a magic spell, a divine enchanter." However the trees in the garden of Eden reads, # 6095. We read in the Strong's Hebrew dictionary; "Atsah, aw-tsaw, prime root, prop. to fasten (or make firm), i.e., to close (the eyes): shut." Under # 6095 Hebrew for trees in the garden) page 90 of Strong's Hebrew dictionary, the other reference to this is # 6096.The # 6096; "Atseh, aw-tseh, from 6095; the spine, (as giving firmness to the body):-backbone." This # 6096 "atseh" is the tree referred to in Genesis 3:3. In referring to the fruit of a tree, then, you are talking about children.What runs through the backbone of your body? It is your central nervous system. It is controlling the opening, or closing of your eye. In fact it controls every movement that a person makes, as the system continues the process of sending messages to and from your brain, which never stops. All bodies of all mankind are made in the image of God, whether in the soul body [angelic] like of the first earth age, or the physical body we posses in this earth age. Though the appearance [image] is the same, the substance of our physical bodies are different from the soul bodies.

 

[Letsgofishing]

Ok got it, but how did the people made for the seed from satan make it past the flood. did they sneak up on Noahs ark:)Be a little bit patient with me. The catholic Church has always interprented genesis 3:15 as if it were about mary. which could be possible if mary being sinnless is true.And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.The catholic church thinks "the women" is Mary. This is a completley different twist on it which proves to be quite disturbing.