An interesting new video I saw regarding the United States of Europe from a religious perspective and what consequences it will bring.
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The United States of Europe is the Final Beast of Revelation?
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Ronald David Bruno
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Nope, Islam is the Beast. The Beast has 7 heads and ten horns. Iran gathers 10 nations to attack Israel (as it is no mystery that they have been the axis of evil, #1 terrorist state).
We are at war right now with Iran and it might escalate into Armageddon.
So this east attacks Israel. We support Israel - therefore we are not part of this Beast. And Islam has permeated a hundred nations in the world and waiting for a jihad. There are sleepers cells everywhere.
The east has manifest itself throughout history in empires: Egyptian, Babylonia, Medo Persian, Assyrian, Greek, Roman and Ottoman. The Ottoma empire suffered a deadly blow in 1921 and now have recently been resuscitated to life. The 7th becomes the 8th.
Iran is one of the manifestations of the fourth beast of Daniel 7:1-12 which is a spiritual heavenly host who rebelled against God with Satan.
While ever we try and humanise the Beasts of Daniel 7, by allocating earthly dominions as being the actual beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 we have not understood what the scriptures are telling us.
In around 20 years from now, we will see Isaiah 24:21-22 being fulfilled which marks the beginning of the covenant of peace that God has promised to His Saints through the prophet Ezekiel. Many theologians have difficulties in recognising Satan and His cohorts as fallen heavenly hosts who are attempting to upstage God until they are captured and dispatched into the Lake of Fire.
Ronald David Bruno
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It's debatable, uncertain and speculative as to how this will all pan out. But I doubt there are 20 years left - likely just a few. The Middle East is and has been active and may explode suddenly. I think their faculities were destroyed but they may have already had nukes tucked away.?
" I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.Dan..7:8
What Islamic leaders were recently plucked out? MUBARAK (Egypt), QADDAFI ( Libya) and ASSAD (Syria). Who is behind the #1 Terrorist State?
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It has been debatable, uncertain and speculative since the days of the reformation to claim that the Roman Empire was the fourth beast of Daniel 7:1-12.
Until we accept Paul's determination if Ephesians 6:12: - " 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the/this darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places." Our understanding is questionable to say the least.
Ronald David Bruno
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I absolutely believe that dark spiritual forces, principalities (demon princes of Satan) rule many regions of the world. Nations in abject poverty led by false religions ( a red flag) have these demon princes ruling them. And they heavily influence humans like Putin,.Xi Jingping, Kim Jung Un. Satan has lots of workers. Finally Satan will possess the Antichrist when the time comes.
I was never an adherent of the revised Roman Empire being the Beast, nor is the EU or the USA the Beast.
You are entitled to your views which I always thought were suspect. We'll see soon how it all pans out.
Newsflash: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei dead, killed in bombing ... guess he isn't the little horn ...unless he comes back to life in a couple days.
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The beast mentioned in the New Testament was Nero.
It is a baseless speculation and the waste of time to search for it constantly in our current era.
It is a baseless speculation and the waste of time to search for it constantly in our current era.
We will soon have a 1,000-years of peace begin in around 20 years' time. Isaiah 24:21-22 is factual when God will judge the Heavenly Hosts and the Kings of the earth who have inhabited the judged heavenly hosts dominions since the beginning of time.
There are many speculative views presented on this forum which are suspect including the, "It will pan out mob's views."
We have already seen the Seventh Bowl Judgement fulfilled during the last Century.
We are presently seeing the Sixth Bowl Judgement being fulfilled during this present time which will be confirmed by the Kings of the earth being drawn to assemble at a place called Armageddon to be judged for their actions in trampling God's Temple and His Earthly Hosts, Israel. I came to this conclusion/understanding back in 2001 after the 9/11 attacks on the three "pillars" that many of the worldly nations bow down to and worshiped around the time of the 9/11 display of signs and wonders and realised that the next visible sign of the Sixth Bowl Judgement, would be the slow drawing of the kings of the earth to rise up against Israel about forty years later and to be drawn to assemble at Armageddon to be judged at this time, around 2045 AD, along with the judged heavenly hosts.
What is required of those who are called by His Name is for them to humble themselves and to repent of their sins against God so that when God hears their words of repentance, He will heal the land/earth at that time so that Man's Sabbath Day of the Lord, will be kept Holy. Isaiah 58 tells us this.
Sadly, many today do not have the ears and eyes to hear and the eyes to see what God has embedded within the scriptures that we pour over in an attempt to understand what is happening today and into our future.
It is not baseless speculation nor a waste of time to search the scriptures for God's Embedded prophetic revelations in our future. Those who can hear and see what God's Prophetic words in the scriptures reveals for us, are not facing the future with great fear, but rather they are worshipping and Praising God for what He is planning to achieve by offering His Covenant of salvation for all of Mankind to accept.
It is our choice whether or not we embrace God's Salvation Covenant for us.
There are many false prophets around today who are attempting to mislead those who are called by God's Name away from God's words to embrace their lies about our future.
Shalom
I agree that Islam is the beast, the final Gentile Global power.
As to the 7 leaders - The G20 (with the G7) has a rotation of 5 leaders. When that is finished then there will be a 6th leader and then the 7th, the A/C. I tend to think he is -
THE PEACE NEGOTIATOR
The Middle East has again come into focus on the world stage. There seems no solution to the violent fightings and clashes of many groups. However the reality is that this kingdom is divided, and the Sunni and Shi-ites will not have peace until their long awaited `Messiah` figure comes and joins them together.
God`s word says that it would be a `divided kingdom` partly strong, and partly weak.
` Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter`s clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; ........the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile.` (Dan. 2: 41 & 42)
The leader of this Federation is described in great detail in God`s word. He is a royal person, with strong features; he is quite deceitful with cunning; he comes in peaceably and seizes power by intrigue.
`...a king (royal person) shall arise, having fierce features, who understands sinister schemes.....Through his cunning he shall cause deceit to prosper under his hand...`(Dan. 8: 23 - 25)
` ...he shall come in peaceably, and seize the kingdom by intrigue.` (11: 21)
There is a person of that description who is even now seeking to negotiate peace with the different groups. His name is Ali Hatem Al-Suleiman. He is one of the most prominent leaders of the Sunni Awakening.
In 2006 Ali Hatem entered a strategic alliance with US forces, (against ISIS) which, in combination with the surge in US troops that began in 2007, succeeded in re-establishing a modicum of security in Iraq.
Since then though, the Shi-ite Iraq Government have excluded the Sunni from the police, army and jobs. Thus there is still unrest in Iraq. Ali Hatem desires stability for Iraq through Political means and not through fighting.
He was brought up in cosmopolitan Bagdad and has often spoken publicly of the need for tolerance. He is a crown Prince with ties to royal families across the Arab Gulf and the elite of neighbouring Jordan. His tribe, the Dulaim, is one of the largest tribes in Iraq and is a powerful social, political and economic force. Note Babylon is in its region.
He has a talent for speeches and his title of crown Prince inspire respect and loyalty. He travels to Qatar and the United Arab Emirates to rally Gulf Arabs to his cause.
Someone to watch!
It has been a complete waste of time since the 2nd century. People speculate, search the secular news and try to force them into Scriptures and nothing works, still.
I am so sorry that you feel this way. The rules that I follow with respect to the End Times confirm for me what will happen in our near and distant futures. Perhaps I have just been lucky, but the time frames that I am seeing, I believe, are telling a very different story.
It is not about feeling. All speculators predicting the end times after the 1st century have been wrong, objectively. Nothing special about the modern ones, still the same play.
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Ronald David Bruno
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Still seeking and thinking you possess that divine esoteric knowledge passed down through the ages , the fabricated Book of Jasher - published by the Rosicrusians ( who seek to combine aspects of Christianity with junk ... reincarnation as well)? Hope you threw that away - it's trash!
We haven't experienced the results of the first four horsemen, which nothing in history resembles. The 20th century saw lots of bloodshed, both world wars totaled maybe 100 million deaths. Given the population during each war 1.8 / 2.4 billion, that's only 2-3% of the population. The first four seals totals 25% dead. Factor that into the current 8 billion population = 2 billion dead. Then within that 3.5 year period another 33% of the remaining die as well - while 1/3 is taken up - raptured.
The earth has never seen such catastrophe and death: A worldwide quake that topples all buildings, sinks islands and levels mountains, super volcanic eruptions and asteroid likely in 2029 that create massive tsunamis wiping out 1/3 of the vessels, coastlines, killing fish, likely nuclear war ... 1/3 of the planet ON FIRE, total famine conditions for all, the poisoning of all drinking water. Get real.
Sorry, I disagree. "The seventh bowl events experienced last century"?
We haven't experienced the results of the first four horsemen, which nothing in history resembles. The 20th century saw lots of bloodshed, both world wars totaled maybe 100 million deaths. Given the population during each war 1.8 / 2.4 billion, that's only 2-3% of the population. The first four seals totals 25% dead. Factor that into the current 8 billion population = 2 billion dead. Then within that 3.5 year period another 33% of the remaining die as well - while 1/3 is taken up - raptured.
The earth has never seen such catastrophe and death: A worldwide quake that topples all buildings, sinks islands and levels mountains, super volcanic eruptions and asteroid likely in 2029 that create massive tsunamis wiping out 1/3 of the vessels, coastlines, killing fish, likely nuclear war ... 1/3 of the planet ON FIRE, total famine conditions for all, the poisoning of all drinking water. Get real.
Why have all speculators after the first century been wrong?
Without you providing your objective understanding as to why I am wrong, your post is just mere speculation without even a protracted hint of an opinion to justify that opinion.
So, why is it so?
Oh dear, poor Ronald, the Book of Jasher, it that all that you have in your feeble effort to denigrate me.
Ronald are you really sure that you have the right facts on which to base your opinion?
I tell people that I belong to the Church of the Callithumpians in Australia but do not confuse this Church with any American thinking or understanding of that name.
Ronald David Bruno
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About which part, your past eschatological views based on the Book of Jasher (which anyone can look up); or the events that are presented in the Book of Revelation? I realize that there are many views and so I don't know for sure which view will pan out. But the biewnyou just presented is much different than any I'm aware of. The Preterists practically symbolize the whole book and their views to me are out on the limb. If we are supposed to understand it that way, it wouldn't be a blessing to me, I wouldn't bother with it. I am Pre-mil/ Mid-Trib, but I am open to a Pre-Trib view - only if the Trumpets are blown quickly, because Indonthink the last trumpet is #7 ( Rev. 11:15).
20 years is not that long and if you were right, it's okay by me..I just see things escalating. The 2000 year anniversary since Christ's ministry is likely here if he was born on 3 or 4 BC; 80 years ( one generation according Psalm 90:10).is about up since 1948 and since I am a YEC, the 6000 years is about done too.
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