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Featured The war against HCQ has intensified unbelievably

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  1. Cristo Rei

    Cristo Rei Well-Known Member

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    Both sides are pushing some extreme... What evidence are you asking for anyway?
     
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    Then why don't you start looking for the real evidence? It is people like you who surrender to the so-called *experts* rather than look for the evidence.

    1. Treatment with Hydroxychloroquine Cut Death Rate Significantly in COVID-19 Patients, Henry Ford Health System Study Shows
    Treatment with Hydroxychloroquine Cut Death Rate Significantly in COVID-19 Patients, Henry Ford Health System Study Shows

    2. Clinical trials of hydroxychloroquine in COVID-19 outpatients reported as safe
    Clinical trials of hydroxychloroquine in COVID-19 outpatients reported as safe


    You will find many more scientific articles if you are sincere about this.
     
  3. Prayer Warrior

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    Years ago, my doctor put me on hydroxychloroquine for Lupus. Within a year, I was in my one and only Lupus remission. It lasted for 9 months. Just before the C.C.P. virus hit, I asked my doctor to prescribe me this Lupus treatment. He didn't, which I found a little strange. After a friend got back from Spain, he came to visit. He went back to work and was in the same room as a fellow worker who a few days later tested positive for the Chi-Com flu. The whole Toyota plant was shut down. He might be asymptomatic. Withing a week, a virus started going around the house. We all got it and recovered in a short while, all except me. I got ill for a month. Since then, I keep having episodes every week or 2. It's the strangest virus I've ever had. I did a phone interview with my doc, and told him about the bug I had. He said that I had 4 main symptoms of Covid 19 and gave me a number to call to arrange a swab. He also told me to quarantine myself for 2 weeks. At the time, I asked him again for hydroxychloroquine and again he didn't do it. I've been trying for weeks to get through to the testing facility, but so far I haven't been able to. And they are not set up to take voicemail. I was thinking about why my doc wouldn't prescribe me the drug, and I then remembered this started after I told him I was a Trump supporter. The next time I spoke with him, he went on about how Trump was an idiot for telling people to inject bleach. People need to learn when they are being played. And Trump is the biggest player. I put it together in my head and realized that he was a lefty. Which would be why he refused to prescribe me the cure. Which means it was a political decision. The left is putting peoples lives on the line by telling people that the drug is dangerous. I was on it for about a year and I had no side effects at all. This is not the only time my openness about Trump has gotten me in hot water. I'm learning. Shalom.
     
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    I used to get colds and flu all the time. I can't remember the last time I had a cold or flu since I started taking Zinc several years ago.
     
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    Grailhunter Well-Known Member

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    Rolling Thunder!!!

    For those conspiracy theorists out there this will be the conspiracy to top all conspiracies, because it is true and because it is worldwide. This will go down as the most deadly conspiracy of all time!

    The preventative and the cure for Covid-19 is hydroxychloroquine and zithromax and this fact has been covered up to the point that it is criminal. The culprits; High ranking members of the medical community, the FDA, web services and social media like Yahoo, Google, Twitter, just to name a few. The democratic party was heavily involved in much of this. Even some of the members of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, most notably Dr. Anthony Fauci. White House Task Force working for the President, so is President Trump to blame for this? He is the captain of the ship so to some extent, yes. Even though he took hydroxychloroquine himself to prove it was safe. These people should have been fired and charged with conspiracy to commit mass murders...what would you call that, manslaughter to the extreme. At that point it really would not have mattered if they were convicted, the ruckus that that would have caused would have uncovered the hydroxychloroquine conspiracy a few months back and saved a lot lives.

    At this time there is nowhere for them to hide, but they have no choice but to continue to try to cover it up because of the legal and civil suits that are potentially awaiting them.

    The death toll is over 160,000 now and the statistics show that about 40 percent of these deaths occurred in nursing homes. Wrongful death settlements to relatives for negligence and incompetence range from about 5 million to 50 million. So wrongful death lawsuits could be filed against nursing homes for staff and patients, government agencies, the medical community, and the internet services, if you take the average settlement for wrongful death as 20 million it could potentially reach 3.2 trillion dollars. Keep in mind that people can file multiple lawsuits against more than one organization at a time. 160,000 deaths and climbing, but not all will file or will be able to file and settlements will vary. Of course prisons are another factor, since hydroxychloroquine is also a preventative, those locked up should have been given this. So their relatives can file lawsuits.

    3.2 trillion dollars in settlements will depend on the suits filed and the settlements. If the settlements go higher than 20 million dollars for settlements, than 3.2 trillion could be a low figure. Criminal charges and imprisonment is harder to press, because unless intent can be proven, few go to prison for stupidity.

    Because of the money involved and criminal suits, they have no choice but to continue to cover it up and deny the facts. I have listed websites for lawsuit regarding hydroxychloroquine versus the FDA and also lawsuits regarding Covid-19 wrongful deaths in nursing homes. Most of these websites were suppressed until the last few days and they are dated back to the end of May. Now all this is coming out on the TV news, websites, radio, and newspapers, so the cat is out of the bag so to speak.

    It does not matter at this point if they continue to deny, suppress, or cover it up, it is the perfect storm and there is no stopping it, information is coming out everyday and it is pealing back the layers of the cover-up to reveal the sinister plots.

    Copy these into your web browser so that I do not place links that do not work.


    Lawsuits against the FDA regarding hydroxychloroquine.

    U.S. doctors group sues FDA for limiting access to drug touted by Trump for COVID-19

    Physicians Sue FDA For Blocking Access To Life-Saving Drug - Yated.com

    AAPS Sues the FDA to End Its Arbitrary Restrictions on Hydroxychloroquine

    Association of American Physicians & Surgeons (AAPS) Sues the FDA to End Its Arbitrary Restrictions on Hydroxychloroquine

    Physicians Sue FDA to Widen Access to Hydroxychloroquine (1)

    Doctors Sue FDA Over Withholding Hydroxychloroquine, Leading to Thousands of Unnecessary Deaths During COVID-19 – Shore News Network

    Nursing home and adult care wrongful death lawsuits

    https://www.nursinghomeabusecenter....mes/coronavirus-wrongful-death-nursing-homes/

    Nursing Homes, Hit Hard by COVID-19, May Soon Face Lawsuits

    The U.S. Is Repeating Its Deadliest Pandemic Mistake

    First Wrongful Death Lawsuit Filed Today Against Notorious Pennsylvania Nursing Home Linked To At Least 80 COVID-19 Deaths

    Family sues nursing home over death of Army veteran from coronavirus

    Lawsuit Filed Against Portland Nursing Home With Nearly 30 COVID-19 Deaths

    COVID-19 Killed at Least 25 Residents of One Illinois Nursing Home. The Family of One Victim Has Filed a Lawsuit, Alleging Negligence. — ProPublica

    Troubled nursing home sued over housekeeper's COVID-19 death

    Nursing Home Neglect and Coronavirus Lawsuits

    https://www.kansas.com/news/coronavirus/article243614337.html
     
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    Hi. You've hit the nail on the head. This is almost too much to believe and that's exactly how they planned it. The hydroxychloroquine scare is the far-left sellouts doing what their bosses, the CCP, tell them to do. Nancy Peloski had a Chinese maid who, after 7 or 8 years, was found to be a Chinese spy. Yeah right, Nancy. Liz Crokin is my go-to source regarding child sex trafficking and who are the offenders. She's a Christian who is an investigative reporter who has never had a story of her's challenged. I think she lives around Los Angeles. Shalom.
     
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    That is funny! I like that.
    I did not touch on the whole shutdown/lockdown falsies.
    In January it was good for countries to attempt the shutdown/lockdown scenario. The concept of the attempt is good. In actually though shutdown/lockdown is a misnomer. You really cannot shutdown/lockdown effectively. 30 percent of the populous are essentials and they are going to be out and about. The vast majority of the remaining 70 percent are going to have to be out and about for food, gas, and medical. There really is no time out for Covid, if you are out and about, you are exposed. The other side of the coin is that shutdown/lockdowns are only going to matter for the first five weeks. At the end of five weeks if the virus is not nearly irradiated it did not work and it will never work. Still a good idea to start with, but it did not work. It is no longer a practical practice and being shut in has serious effects on health and mental stability and care for children becomes an issue.

    Since they have held back on the preventative and the cure, at this point you are counting on herd immunity to take its course. By the time they start pushing hydroxychloroquine and zithromax and vaccines, herd immunity will be in full progress and this will curtail on its own.

    Like I said you do not want to pay attention to media hype or doomsday statistics. Here in Missouri they say we have 58,000 covid cases and 1400 death. Both statistics are misleading. Most of that as far as cases are people that have tested positive from the very beginning and 95 percent of them have got over it. Some never had symptoms and some had mild symptoms and few got really sick. I know of no one that got really sick here, but I am sure there are some. Same goes for deaths, according to the statistics no one has died of influenza, because they are counting them as Covid, some state count everything as Covid, even traffic deaths.

    The real message is to protect your elderly and infirm. Here we identify the elderly in the neighborhood and deliver food and supplies to their doorstep. Some do not have family but for sure we should be looking out for our own too. The elderly and people with health issues should not be out and about, that is just common sense. Vaccines are a whole different issue and we will have to wait until they are available, but I do not recommend being the first in line for them.
     
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  9. Giuliano

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    Did you see this part in the Ford Study?

    Dr. Zervos also pointed out, as does the paper, that the study results should be interpreted with some caution, should not be applied to patients treated outside of hospital settings and require further confirmation in prospective, randomized controlled trials that rigorously evaluate the safety and efficacy of hydroxychloroquine therapy for COVID-19.

    “Currently, the drug should be used only in hospitalized patients with appropriate monitoring, and as part of study protocols, in accordance with all relevant federal regulations,” Dr. Zervos said.
     
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    It is amazing how logic and reality cuts through the rhetoric.
    This is something that has been used successfully worldwide. The President took it and I am betting that his family took it.

    Now hypothetically if in New York, at the beginning of this, if they would have handed out hydroxychloroquine and zithromax...over the counter as a preventative and or cure, what would that have done? Now that would be a bold move because any medication including aspirin or Tylenol can have side effects and sometime death. And maybe there would have been a few, but not 32,000 deaths.

    There is the politically correct thing to do and the right thing to do. Strangely enough politically you can sit back and watch thousands people die, and politics justifies it. True leadership cuts through all that and does the right thing, because sitting back and watching them die, is not the right thing to do.
     
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    Give em Zinc. It works!
     
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    They are still open to this drug in the Oxford studies - they are not willing to rule it out.
    Rita
     
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    Sixteen years ago, my doctor put me on HCQ to treat my Lupus. By the Fall, I went into remission. With no side-effects. I know drugs with harm potential. I have never been told that this drug is dangerous to the heart. Early this year, before the shutdown, I went to my doctor to ask for some HCQ, but when I talked with him, I couldn't recall the name. I told him that he had put me on it before. And that he had told me about it. He gave me a weird look, but whatever. Often, when I pick up my next script, I find what I asked for even though he never said okay. But not this time. Then the virus hit. Awhile later on, a friend dropped over to say hi. We saw him a few times over the next several days. About a week later, the first person in our house got sick with what appeared to be a cold. It spread throughout the house, but everyone got over it but me. I'm one of those at-risk people. I took an online covid 19 quiz and it said that I probably didn't have it. Then one day, I remembered about our friend that had been over and realized that the first day he had visited, he had just got back from his holiday in Spain. I retook the quiz and this time it said that I may have it, and to see a doctor right away. A short time later, my doc called to do a phone interview. I told him how I had been ill for a month and what the symptoms were. And about my friend. He said that I had 4 main symptoms of Covid 19. He told me to self-isolate for 2 weeks and gave me the Covid phone number for the testing office. I've tried many times to get through, but there was always no answer. And they don't take messages. Not that I really wanted to go, anyway. During this phone appointment, I asked for HCQ again, but due to media coverage, this time I knew the name. He didn't say anything. Thinking he'd forgotten my last request (which he sometimes does), I assumed that he's prescribe it this time, especially since it looked like I had the virus. But I still wanted it for Lupus, too. When I got my scripts, once again HCQ was missing. Even when he knew that I, being at risk as a senior and having a compromised immune system, could die if not treated. He placed his politics ahead of my well-being. I thought about this for awhile, then I recalled my second last office visit and the fact that I mentioned to him that I was a Trump supporter. Why not, I live in Canada. The next time I spoke with him, he went on about how Trump was an idiot who told people to inject bleach. The only people who talk like this are those on the far left. He was trying to say this was true. Just another lemming. Anyway, thanks for the post. Shalom.
     
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    do not know if you saw any of the post a couple of months ago where I spoke of my mother having Covid 19. She will be ninety this February. Not sure how it is now but when she went into the hospital with it, none of us four children could see her. One of us had to be designated to communicate with the nurse daily for updates. I was the one who then had to relate information back to my brother and two sisters. When we were told she had tested positive... My oldest sister who absolutely hates Trump said under no circumstances would our mother be given
    Hydroxychloroquine. the drug she hated as much as the president just because he endorsed it. She would become enraged talking about Trump and that ‘crap’ drug. It wasn’t until close to our mother’s discharge from the hospital that i asked them if they would be treating her with something. They said “we already have. We gave her Plaquenil.” When I told my oldest sister she was given ‘Plaquenil’, she was thankful it was not “that crap the president is endorsing”.

    Plaquenil IS Hydroxychloroquine.
    Can’t say if the medicine was why my mother with double pneumonia survived at ninety. She is pretty tough. But do think one can become so blinded by hatred that they form opinions based off that hatred, that doesn’t allow them to think clearly.

    now my sister says ...it’s already be done and nothing can be done about it. How she is just happy our mother survived.
     
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    Well I am very glad your mother made it.
    This is all coming to light.
    Historical stuff.
    My religious beliefs are such that hatred is tantamount to murder.
    Hatred can really mess up the mind and distort reality.
    There are some that believe that this whole campaign against Hydroxychloroquine is due to the hatred for Trump.
    How much of that is true I am not sure. But whatever the reason, people would rather see people die than use this medication and there some that want this to continue to cause problem for this country, because they hate Trump and this country. Whatever the reason have you ever see a campaign against any medication to the point that some pharmacies will not fill prescriptions for it.
    The cover-up will not last much longer...follow the money. Lawsuits are already in progress.
     
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    Hi. Plaquenil is what my first prescription of hydroxychloroquine was called. I have Lupus and my only remission was caused by this drug. With no noticeable side-effects. I've been with my doctor for 19 years. He was the one who first told me about and prescribed me this drug. During an appointment just before the virus hit, I asked him for that Lupus drug that he'd given me before, just after I told him that I was a Trump fan. He acted like he didn't know what I was talking about. I thought he'd prescribe it later, but he didn't. A few weeks ago, I had a phone interview with him. He went on about how Trump told people to inject bleach. People who say things like this are usually on the far-left. Anyway, I asked him again to prescribe it, for Lupus and his on-the-phone diagnosis of probable Covid 19. Again, he didn't. I now see that he put his politics above my well-being. Which is really uncool. Shalom.
     
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    The Ford Study hadn't been conducted yet when Covid-19 first hit New York. We don't have a time machine yet to apply the results of science before the research is done.
     
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    lol Did you notice the word "hypothetically"
    Don't dig yourself a hole so deep that you cannot explain your way out.
     
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    I saw that word. If you want to live in the fantasyland of hypotheticals, go ahead. We can't expect Trump to have a time machine so he would have known exactly what to do. Hypotheticals don't exist. We have to live in this one.

    Trump supporters amaze me. He wants to be re-elected. He would have nothing to gain by botching the response to Covid-19. He's like to be able to say before election day about how well things got handled. He has no motive for botching things. There is no conspiracy within the Trump administration to mess things up even worse than they are; but to hear some Trump supporters, you'd think Trump hired people who hate him and want him to fail. Trump did botch things however. Now his supporters want to blame other people. It's all la-la land.
     
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    Makes sense to me.
     
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