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Featured The War of Gog and Magog.

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  2. It is what it is, but this is not the War of Gog and Magog.

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  1. CovenantPromise

    CovenantPromise Active Member

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    I touched base on this in a response to a thread, not my own. But I only spoke of Gog and Magog concerning the second resurrection and what the words mean in Hebrew Gog -roof ,Magog- from roof top....That from roof top to roof top satan when released from his prison
    in a portion of space restrained in a supernatural way will be released from there ,That is what from roof top to roof top - coming from above to tempt and test the second resurrection, and to gather nations from roof top -Gog to roof top -Magog once again.

    But for today, for those who are Elect and will be part of the first resurrection , the test comes now, and the Elect overcome and are first fruits=of the first resurrection. The war of Gog and Magog for us has begun.

    This is the first Woe of Revelation 12.
    All events for these end of days coincide with Mary our Mother fulfilling her work in the Elect. We fully being
    Christ like. This is the bringing forth in our souls, "The Male Child" who was caught up to God's throne. Since
    he was already caught up as the prophecy says , then for sure this is a bringing forth as I said , in the soul. This
    is done with Mary our Mother through the umbilical cord of our faith "The Rosary". Though the dragon stands
    ever before her, to devour her Child, she prevails and accomplishes what is purposed by God. What I am pre-
    senting is for now. This is a war that is part of the first WOE. Ezekiel 38-39. Rosh="HEAD" who will head this war or who is
    the HEAD of the enemies of God's people. "GOG" meaning: Enemies of God's people, and rules "MAGOG"=
    lands ruled by satan. We are given a description of who these will be. "MESHECH"= long or tall and are
    drawn out by force. They are who are "TUBAL"= forgers of all implements of bronze and iron.
    The Iron Age III period is dated throughout western Iran after 800 to ca. 600 B.C.E.
    One group drawn out by force
    The second :I have researched this and bronze and iron were developed in earlier times, and the metals were harvested from the Korean Peninsula: search (Heritage of Japan) iron and bronze implements.
    These two will be drawn out by force


    So, these are the nations known for this. They will carry out=be drawn out by force and bring about war in other regions from these regions. The FORCE which brings them out is the power of satan . The dragon(satan) has given his own throne, power and authority to a group of people of a certain lineage . They are actually the force behind the war.

    "TOGARMAH" means:they are that which is all bone= have no substance= no faith in the God of Israel, OUR GOD!The nations which are drawn out by force are nations that are atheist and/ or Muslim. they are BONE NATIONS -meaning have no substance.

    Now we have to look at "ROSH" because this is who actually is the HEAD of
    the Bone nations, they have an alliance with the Bone Nations who will take part in this war and are nations known for their bronze and iron implements.

    "MESHECH" meaning: long or tall- concerning their history and establishment as a people. Not like America.

    ROSH the head is RUSSIA, the clue is in Ezekiel 38:5-6: 5 Persia, Ethiopia and Libya with them; all
    of them with shield and helmet: These all have an alliance with Russia. Therefore, military and weapons comes by Russia . North Korea will act in that region of the world with Russia's support. iran too will be supported by Russia. As I said All these nations are Islamic or atheist. hence of
    bones= NO FAITH IN THE ELECT'S God.

    "GOMER" meaning: (COMPLETION), these nations complete the BONE
    NATIONS:

    We know the ancient Persian empire then and today consist of: Eight nations which have coasts
    along the Persian Gulf: Baharin, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates.
    The gulfs strategic location has made an ideal place for human development over time. Today, many major cities of the Middle east are located in this region. Turkey too was part of the Persian Empire in Asia minor and Egypt was taken over by the Persian empire but they did not control Egypt for very long. Alexander "The Great" took over shortly after . These two nation as well will play a role in this war too. Along with China due to its alliance with Russia.

    Russia is key as to how BIG this war is going to get. Through its Proxies, and America's proxies America and Russia will be at War too. This will spill into America! America is the force used by the TRUE RULERS of men's kingdoms. That is another thread.


    Ezekiel38:6 GOMER, all his bands; the house of TOGARMAH of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.This all corresponds with the sealing of the Elect out of nations and the completion of the House of david out of the 12 Tribes of Israel and out of gentile nations. When Israel is hit, desolation is decreed to the end!

    God Bless! And may God protect us, love in Christ to all!
     
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    Getting the timeline right.

    Unless we have the timeline right, what we post is nothing but flatulent utterances on our part.

    In Revelation 20, Satan does not go out to Gog and Magog until he is released from the bottomless pit, after being locked up in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years.

    Revelation 20:7-10: - Satanic Rebellion Crushed
    (cf. Ezek 38; 39)
    7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
    Since Satan and his fallen heavenly
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    hosts have not yet been thrown out of heaven: -

    Revelation 12:7-12: - Satan Thrown Out of Heaven
    7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

    10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows, {after his release from the Bottomless pit}, that he has a short time."
    When does this occur? Isaiah 24:21-22 tells us about the judgement events and Revelation 16:12-16 tells us when the judgement of the kings of the earth will occur: -
    Isaiah 24:21-22
    21 It shall come to pass in that day
    That the Lord will punish on high the host of exalted ones,
    And on the earth the kings of the earth.
    22 They will be gathered together,
    As prisoners are gathered in the pit,
    And will be shut up in the prison;
    After many days they will be punished.
    and

    Revelation 16:12-16 Sixth Bowl: Euphrates Dried Up

    12 Then the sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, so that the way of the kings from the east might be prepared. 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

    15 "Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame."

    16 And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon.
    Armageddon is in our near future, probably in around 25 years time plus or minus a year or two.

    What we are seeing at this present time is best described by this passage: -

    Daniel 7:7-12: - 7 "After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. 8 I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.

    . . . .

    11 "I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.
    What we are seeing happening today in Iran is described in verses 7-12 of Daniel 7 with verses 11-12 describing the judgement of The wicked heavenly hosts during the Armageddon event.

    Shalom
     
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    Clearly satan and his cohorts have already been cast out of heaven (CONCERNING THE KINGDOM) . That is
    proven even in the book of Job 1:77“Where have you come from?” said the LORD to Satan. “From roaming
    through the earth,” he replied, “and from walking back and forth in it.”. I am speaking of them being able to as-
    cend to space and up to the gates of heaven but they cannot enter the Kingdom. Rev. 12 shows that the accuser
    of the saints stands before , not within. Heaven also means anything above earth: Isaiah 55:9 9“For as the heav-
    ens are higher than the earth, so My ways are higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts. 10For
    just as rain and snow fall from heaven and do not return without watering the earth, making it bud and sprout,
    and providing seed to sow and food to eat,…



    In this case even higher than that into heaven (space) they will also be cast down from there and the cosmic
    signs will be the dragon bringing down 1/3 of the heavenly (cosmic bodies with him.) That is clear in the book
    of Rev. concerning the trumpets. Also, this is proven with Obadiah 1:4 4Though you soar like the eagle and
    make your nest among the stars, even from there I will bring you down,” declares the LORD. through fallen
    angel knowledge man too has been able to soar to those heights .



    satan was cast down with the 1/3 of the rebellion in the (Kingdom) of heaven right at the rebellion. OBVIOUS-
    LY, that was in the beginning. Hence why man too fell, because of listening to Lucifer in his rebellion.

    I need not go through everything you posted since just based on this partial I have proven your argument
    wrong and you clearly have not proven me wrong. And the angel who is presently in the abyss along with the
    other 199 with him are the Watchers -book of Enoch. satan and the 1/3 cast down at the beginning of rebellion,
    at present wander about the earth and the universe. And in Hebrew Gog and Magog means -Roof top, to and/or
    from roof top. There are realms that are behind the universal veil we call space. And he is imprisoned there dur-
    ing the 1000 yr. reign with Christ for the Elect- FIRST FRUITS= first resurrection. Nowhere in Rev.20 does it
    prove what I say ,to be wrong. He will be, after that final test for the second fruits=second resurrection, be
    thrown into the fire with the false prophet and false messiah for all eternity after that ,as will all who he de-
    ceived of the second fruits.
     
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    Firstly, I included scripture to demonstrate the scriptural basis of my argument.

    You, in your rebuttal, referenced the Book of Enoch to justify that Satan is already cast out of heaven and as such he can only reside on the earth, but that is just your interpretation of Job 1:7, which IMHO if flawed and proves nothing.

    Sadly you have not proved that the scriptures I have posted are wrong. You have chosen though, to defend your position with a flawed understanding of Job which I have quoted below: -

    Job 1:6-12: - 6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. 7 And the Lord said to Satan, "From where do you come?"

    So Satan answered the Lord and said, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it."

    8 Then the Lord said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?"

    9 So Satan answered the Lord and said, "Does Job fear God for nothing? 10 Have You not made a hedge around him, around his household, and around all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 11 But now, stretch out Your hand and touch all that he has, and he will surely curse You to Your face!"

    12 And the Lord said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on his person."

    So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.
    by saying that the described event, in the quoted portion of Scripture above, occurred outside of heaven.

    In my post I presented my understanding of the timeline of the end time events which will begin to unfold in our near future.

    It is my understanding that the Armageddon judgement of the Kings of the earth will occur in around 25 plus or minus year from now and that the Gog Magog event will occur around 1,000 years after the Armageddon event. At the time that the kings of the earth are being judged at Armageddon, Satan will also be judged and together the kings of the earth and the judged wicked fallen heavenly hosts will be judged in heaven.

    The judgement of the Kings of the earth, i.e. the Gentile kings, marks the end of the 2,300 years of the Gentiles trampling the Sanctuary of God and his Hosts here on the earth, i.e. the Israelites.

    Jesus has told us when the summer Season will begin which marks the time of the great harvest of the souls men, which occurs after the redemption of all of Israel.

    Shalom
     
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    Clearly with or without Enoch, scripture shows satan was already cast out. it is clear heaven as to Kingdom , would not be party to two parties but one. I have heard this same type of stuff from the masonic and other esoteric cults . Satan has done been thrown out long ago.

    Luke 10:18
    18So He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

    Isaiah 14:12
    How you have fallen from heaven, O Morning Star, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the ground, O destroyer of nations.

    But the Beloved Enoch is very detailed.
     
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    CP you are welcome to hold whatever theories that you can dream up, but I am happy for the unfolding history to prove me wrong that Armageddon will not occur in around 25 (plus or minus a year or two) years time.

    From my research, scripture, i.e. the Bible, does confirm this understanding, but then again you disagree that what I have presented is correct because of your "study" of non Biblical Books.

    Now, if I was wanting to gaze upon Satan at his present time, where would I go? My understanding is that I would most probably find him lurking around in Heaven, influencing the sea of humanity from there.

    Now if you can present evidence that is concrete and not opinion/interpretationally based, then I may consider your theory but so far your evidence does not stack up.

    Shalom
     
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    As are you. Did I give a time frame? Did I say that Armageddon and the war of Gog and Magog are the same? Did God give you that number? As for non biblical books that is definitely an opinion that even the 66 book Canon proves is false. My Canon is greater and is more than 73. so say what you want. Since the apostle Jude disagrees with you so do I .Did you know when the Catholic Church devised its canon the book of Enoch was not available to them? And your people cutting more meat away only proves that the devouring locust prophecy has come to pass. Your little bubble is small and getting even smaller.
     
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    Jay Ross: "Now, if I was wanting to gaze upon Satan at his present time, where would I go? My understanding is that I would most probably find him lurking around in Heaven, influencing the sea of humanity from there."
    CP says:
    Really? If what you mean by heaven is space sure, if you are saying the Kingdom of heaven Oboya!
     
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    What would your answer be?
     
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    He's where he is , when he is there and that is when he gets to there, but he is many. For his legions are the 1/3 cast out. They roam about seeking the destruction of souls. But for sure he is not in one place and that is the KINGDOM of heaven where the throne of God is. Can he stand before its gates, yes, but he is outside of the gates for sure. He moves at the speed of spirit and can be here or there but is not everywhere at all times like God is. He can go up to space to where the end is the beginning, where the Kingdom of heaven is , but can no longer enter in. All things have a point of origin, he can not enter into the kingdom of all origin. The end or beginning depending from what direction the spirit is. God and His Heavenly Kingdom.... there is no access to, outside of truth ,THE KEY- Jesus. It all began with God and ends with God "I am the beginning and the End" Lucifer can go down to the abyss and visit his friends called the Watchers. As I said to and fro, but no access into the Kingdom of heaven for sure.

    It is clear he has no access simply by the fact that men under his influence do not. Some things are elementary.
    Luke 13:22-
    The Narrow Door
    (Matthew 7:13-14)

    22Then Jesus traveled throughout the towns and villages, teaching as He made His way toward Jerusalem. 23“Lord,” someone asked Him, “will only a few people be saved?”

    Jesus answered, 24“Make every effort to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able. 25After the master of the house gets up and shuts the door, you will stand outside knocking and saying, ‘Lord, open the door for us.’

    But he will reply, ‘I do not know where you are from.’ 26Then you will say, ‘We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’ 27And he will answer, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you are from. Depart from me, all you evildoers.’ 28There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves are thrown out. 29People will come from east and west and north and south, and will recline at the table in the kingdom of God. 30And indeed, some who are last will be first, and some who are first will be last.”

    Psalm 112:10
    The wicked shall see it, and be grieved; he shall gnash with his teeth, and melt away: the desire of the wicked shall perish.

    Matthew 8:12
    But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Psalm 112:10
    The wicked shall see it, and be grieved; he shall gnash with his teeth, and melt away: the desire of the wicked shall perish.
    Revelation 22:15
    For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.


    John 8:44
    44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

    CLEARLY OUTSIDE, WITHOUT, NOT WITHIN the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
     
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    So, you cannot answer the question posed but run around quoting scripture in an effort to bolster your argument.
     
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    Yes you did when you posted this statement: -


    You have assumed that the God Magog battle happens before the Armageddon battle, and will occur in the near future. What I have suggested with scripture to back me up is that the Armageddon battle judgement of the kings of the earth will occur in our near future and that the Gog Magoog battles will occur over 1,000 years latter.

    No you did not in your confusion as to when they actually occur, you have swapped them because of your lack of understanding of the Book of Revelation.

    It was revealed to me by God and confirmed by three witnesses from the bible but not as you would visualise. The first being the year that Isaac was born with respect to the creation of Adam, which marks the beginning of the third age. The year with respect to the creation of Adam in when the GWTR judgement takes place, i.e. the end of the age of the ages. The confirmation of when the end of the present age will be and confirmed in Matt 24:32, Mark 13:28 and Luke 21:29-31, within the limits of logical, interpretational probability when all the scriptural references are considered together.

    The revelation that God gave me was that a thousand is the number that can be countered on "those hands," and which sounds the same as "thousands."

    But I am sure that you will not understand how that confirms what I have come to understand with respect to the End Time timeline.

    Shalom
     
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    Okay how about this. When it becomes apparent, because of expansion, that what is going on in the Middle east is the beginnings of the war of Gog and Magog, then we will see who is right. Cannot argue that many of the players are emerging. I guess when it hits areas outside of the Middle east and involves bigger opposing players against America then that will Wake up the Western world. That is when it will be real and apparent. Until then , keep watching the ebb and flow of it all. As for Armageddon, that is when all the kingdoms come up against Israel when Israel is Holy Sanctified and is one people under One king. For now they are divided into two kingdoms because Edom is there. That..will you be around for? that I cannot say . But that does not happen until after the sixth seal. Let's just call it a return to Eden a spiritual one within. And some will be snatched up when Armageddon happens and Christ's return.

    Anyway to know if I am right keep your eyes on the news and the Middle east, take no comfort in short lived lulls either, the players I point out have already been posturing for sure. And yes one can say , that has been the case throughout a certain time period for years, but this time is different. I believe Trump is the signal that God will sound the Trumpets during his reign. Again we will see if I am right. After all it is about prophecy.We are in the 62 week period phase of Daniel. Israel was given 70 weeks= 70 years I believe, to seal prophecy and set up Yeshua the Messiah as king.That has not happened . They are a land of many god's at the moment. This will change after the prophecy of Ezekiel gets into motion and the sixth seal. So let's see who is right. During the 62 weeks all hell will break loose in Israel.The abolishing of the the supper of the Lord with the mass must happen and the abomination of desolation will be set up instead. From that point on the Elect know when the 'Day of the Lord ' will come , they must make it to that point.But no one knows when the date of his return will be.
     
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    I was asked to bolster my argument so I did. You asked many questions. I answered the one about where satan is ....very detailed in fact."So you cannot answer the question"??? Are we not in the same discussion?
     
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    Here I sit and believe none of that stuff will happen.
     
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    It appears that you have some weird ideas about the timeline of the End times and how it will unfold. As for bolstering your answer, repeating the same arguments dose not add to your argument.

    What is happening at present in the middle east can be found described in Daniel 7:7-8. The Gog Magog wars are not scheduled to occur for another 1,000 or so years yet and they will begin only after Satan is released from the Bottomless pit for the little while period.

    As for Christ retuning when Armageddon occurs is your fanciful imagination running riot. An example of this is your understanding of when Daniel 7:24 is set to occur. You make the statement, "We are in the 62 week period phase of Daniel. Israel was given 70 weeks= 70 years I believe, to seal prophecy and set up Yeshua the Messiah as king. That has not happened.", which clearly demonstrates that your understanding of the prophecies contained in Dan 9:24-27, is flawed. The three prophecies in Dan 9:24-26a, have all happened, but the prophecy 9:26b is still unfolding until the war in Heaven, between Satan and God which is still going on, comes to an end in our near future, around 25-years, plus or minus a year or two, from this present time.

    Now as to whether or not God sounds the seven trumpets during Trumps, possible 8 year, reign as president of the USA is debatable and highly unlikely. In Daniel 2:44 we are informed that during the days of the statue's fifth segment kings who have dominion over Babylon, that he will establish his Everlasting Kingdom here on the earth. At this same time when the "beasts" of Dan 7:1-12 are judged, the Son of man will be given dominion over the people of the earth such that they should worship Him. This does not mean that Christ will exercise his dominion by being present here on the face of the earth, but in Rev 20 we are told that He will exercise his priestly duties during this time in heaven.

    When you can get the timeline right of the End Time events, then we may come to some agreement.
     
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    Oh, please justify your statement from Scripture, because scripture tells us that it will occur.
     
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    Ok.
     
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    Ok , we will see , we clearly disagree on many things that is fine for me. And again we will see.Concerning interpretation of what is still in process and yet to come, it is always a wait and see. If we have the length of days granted and are purposed for these end time events, then clearly we will have our answer. You are entitled to your interp. I believe I was given mine.
     
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    REALLY? My God is not a God of confusion.
     
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