The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

[Runningman]

The point being that you were someone else before you took up the name Runningman.

Philippians 2:5-11 KJV
5) Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Jesus took upon Himself the form of a servant . . . but before that?

Jesus humbled Himself and became obedient, but before that?

Before that He was sovereign, and transcendant. He took on the form of a servant like you took on the name runningman.

Much love!

This passage, beginning with verse 5, is about Paul telling the Philippians what mind to have. People cannot have the mind of an all knowing and all powerful God, but they can have the mind of Jesus because he's a human. What Paul was explaining to them is that the mind of Christ is something attainable for the rank-and-file church member.

Observe, in verse 11 where the only one being called God and getting glory is the Father. Read the whole thing again and see if it makes better sense to you now.

5) Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
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11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[marks]

This passage, beginning with verse 5, is about Paul telling the Philippians what mind to have. People cannot have the mind of an all knowing and all powerful God, but they can have the mind of Jesus because he's a human. What Paul was explaining to them is that the mind of Christ is something attainable for the rank-and-file church member.

Observe, in verse 11 where the only one being called God and getting glory is the Father. Read the whole thing again and see if it makes better sense to you now.

5) Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
...
...
11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

You didn't address my post.

Much love!

 

[Runningman]

You didn't address my post.

Much love!

I disagree with your post, as your commentary goes well beyond what is written in the passage you quoted. Why I responded the way I did was to give you what I believe the correct understanding of it is.

 

[marks]

I disagree with since post as your commentary goes well beyond what is written in the passage you quoted. Why I responded the way I did was to give you what I believe the correct understanding of it is.

It's a simple question, and it comes directly from the text.

Philippians 2:7-8 KJV
7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Jesus took upon him the form of a servant. In what form was He previously? Your options are either sovereign, or self-willed/rebellious.

Jesus humbled himself. From what? Pride? Or transcendance?

I understand if you don't want to answer. Any real answer which acknowledges these statements will betray your position.

Much love!

 

[marks]

11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Isaiah 45:21-24 KJV
21) Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22) Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23) I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
24) Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

Given the nature of the passage above, don't you think it would be blasphemous to apply this to a mere man?

Philippians 2:9-11 KJV
9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


Every knee will bow before YHWH, and that YHWH alone is our savior. Every knee will bow before our Savior, Jesus Christ.

Jesus = YHWH.

Much love!

 

[Runningman]

It's a simple question, and it comes directly from the text.

Philippians 2:7-8 KJV
7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Jesus took upon him the form of a servant. In what form was He previously? Your options are either sovereign, or self-willed/rebellious.

Jesus humbled himself. From what? Pride? Or transcendance?

I understand if you don't want to answer. Any real answer which acknowledges these statements will betray your position.

Much love!

It's quite simply the same for Jesus as it would be for the Philippians, which is why Paul told them to have the mind of Jesus. Rather than living for themselves and their own interests, they instead live to serve God. Don't you think Jesus could have went off and ran his own show and lived his own life? Yes, of course, because he has a different will than God, but brought his will into alignment with the Father's will.

Luke 22
42Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

 

[marks]

It's quite simply the same for Jesus as it would be for the Philippians, which is why Paul told them to have the mind of Jesus. Rather than living for themselves and their own interests, they instead live to serve God. Don't you think Jesus could have went off and ran his own show and lived his own life? Yes, of course, because he has a different will than God, but brought his will into alignment with the Father's will.

Luke 22
42Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

So you are saying there was a time in Jesus' life when he was rebellious to the Father? That would make Jesus a sinner, unfit to save.

Much love!

 

[Runningman]

Isaiah 45:21-24 KJV
21) Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22) Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23) I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
24) Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

Given the nature of the passage above, don't you think it would be blasphemous to apply this to a mere man?

Philippians 2:9-11 KJV
9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


Every knee will bow before YHWH, and that YHWH alone is our savior. Every knee will bow before our Savior, Jesus Christ.

Jesus = YHWH.

Much love!

Hi again Mark. Before we untangle that interpretation, let's cut to the chase and look at where YHWH and Jesus are beside each other in both the same sentence and context and observe how Jesus is not YHWH. We should be able to go directly to the heart of the matter by looking at two verses.

Brackets and bolding are mine for emphasis, however there are dozens of examples like this all over the Bible:

Psalm 2
7I will declare the decree: the LORD[not Jesus] hath said unto me, Thou art my Son[Jesus]; this day have I begotten thee.

Psalm 110
1{A Psalm of David.} The LORD[not Jesus] said unto my Lord[Jesus], Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

 

[Runningman]

So you are saying there was a time in Jesus' life when he was rebellious to the Father? That would make Jesus a sinner, unfit to save.

Much love!

Jesus never sinned, but God has a personal will and mission for Jesus that involved a ministry and crucifixion. God, at times, may require the same of us. Look at Philippians 2:5-11 again and observe such. In any case, Jesus served and obeyed God with his choices. Jesus could have gotten out of the cross, too, if he wanted. He even floated that possibility.

Do you see how Jesus didn't have the inherent power to call upon the angels to get him out of the crucifixion, but instead had to pray to God (the Father) for help?

Matthew 26
53Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? 54But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

 

[marks]

Jesus never sinned, but God has a personal will and mission for Jesus that involved a ministry and crucifixion. God, at times, may require the same of us. Look at Philippians 2:5-11 again and observe such. In any case, Jesus served and obeyed God with his choices. Jesus could have gotten out of the cross, too, if he wanted. He even floated that possibility.

Do you see how Jesus didn't have the inherent power to call upon the angels to get him out of the crucifixion, but instead had to pray to God (the Father) for help?

Matthew 26
53Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? 54But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

He humbled himself. He took the form of a servant. Having done so, He would not go back on it.

And once again . . . that Jesus took the form of a servant . . . what form was He before that? The passage tells us. What is the answer? Do you know?

This is a simple question, yet you don't seem to want to answer it.

Much love!

 

[Runningman]

He humbled himself. He took the form of a servant. Having done so, He would not go back on it.

And once again . . . that Jesus took the form of a servant . . . what form was He before that? The passage tells us. What is the answer? Do you know?

This is a simple question, yet you don't seem to want to answer it.

Much love!

yes, scripture is plain that Jesus is God’s chosen servant. By the fact of being chosen indicates that he wasn’t always God’s servant doing God’s work.

Think back to who Jesus was before his ministry began. He was himself a builder or carpenter according to Mark 6:3. He was a common man from among the people scratching out a living building things.

It was at his water baptism that Jesus was anointed, empowered, and chosen to be God’s servant.

I hope that helps. Any other questions, good sir?

Matthew 12
18Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

Acts 10
37That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

 

[marks]

Think back to who Jesus was before his ministry began. He was himself a builder or carpenter according to Mark 6:3. He was a common man from among the people scratching out a living building things.

So . . . was Jesus a sinner or no before his baptism?

"He became obedient". Before He became obedient, was He disobedient, or sovereign?

Much love!

 

[Runningman]

So . . . was Jesus a sinner or no before his baptism?

"He became obedient". Before He became obedient, was He disobedient, or sovereign?

Much love!

No he wasn’t a sinner. He was a servant in a general sense, but Paul was referring specifically to becoming obedient to death on a cross. Jesus asked that the “cup” pass from him, but what he plainly meant was that he didn’t want to die. No one wants to die, but Jesus became obedient to that death God wanted.

 

[marks]

No he wasn’t a sinner. He was a servant in a general sense, but Paul was referring specifically to becoming obedient to death on a cross. Jesus asked that the “cup” pass from him, but what he plainly meant was that he didn’t want to die. No one wants to die, but Jesus became obedient to that death God wanted.

OK, so Jesus was completely sinless His entire life, agree?

Much love!

 

[Runningman]

OK, so Jesus was completely sinless His entire life, agree?

Much love!

Agreed!

 

[Christian Soldier]

Let's see who the cursed one is; the words of my God against your religion.

When does the Bible say you must believe Jesus is God to be saved? Good luck.

John 10:30 "I and My Father are one.”

John 3:36 "He that believeth on the Son has everlasting life and he that believeth NOT on the Son will NOT SEE LIFE; but the wrath of God abideth on him"

So there you have it, Jesus said He is God and He said Gods wrath abides on you. I hope He grants you repentance and faith, if not you will spend eternity being tormented in the lake of fire.
You can't even begin to imagine the agony of your eternal destiny.​

 

[Runningman]

John 10:30 "I and My Father are one.”​

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John 3:36 "He that believeth on the Son has everlasting life and he that believeth NOT on the Son will NOT SEE LIFE; but the wrath of God abideth on him"​

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So there you have it, Jesus said He is God and He said Gods wrath abides on you. I hope He grants you repentance and faith, if not you will spend eternity being tormented in the lake of fire.​

You can't even begin to imagine the agony of your eternal destiny.​

Oneness with God and each other isn't something that is unique to Jesus. Jesus didn't say he was God nor did anyone say you must believe Jesus is God as part of the gospel. It's looking like you're the cursed one, since you bring the subject up.

John 17
20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

1 Corinthians 6
17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Oneness with God and each other isn't something that is unique to Jesus. Jesus didn't say he was God nor did anyone say you must believe Jesus is God as part of the gospel. It's looking like you're the cursed one, since you bring the subject up.

John 17
20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

1 Corinthians 6
17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

That's rubbish and you know it, so I'll put the final nail in your coffin with the following verse, which confirms that Jesus is the Almighty Jehovah God, the Creator of all things.

Colossians 1:16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

As you can see, Gods Word confirms that Jesus created everything, not only man and the natural world, but also the spiritual world with all of it's powers and dominions. This includes the powers of darkness, so even the Devil and His Demons are subject to His authority and they can't do anything without His permission.

This is very comforting to His people, because we know He is in full control of everything that happens and He has predestined everything to be exactly as it is. Praise the Lord of Lords and King of Kings

 

[Hepzibah]

Last warning for bringing the Trinity debate onto my thread on holiness.

 

[Runningman]

That's rubbish and you know it, so I'll put the final nail in your coffin with the following verse, which confirms that Jesus is the Almighty Jehovah God, the Creator of all things.

Colossians 1:16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

As you can see, Gods Word confirms that Jesus created everything, not only man and the natural world, but also the spiritual world with all of it's powers and dominions. This includes the powers of darkness, so even the Devil and His Demons are subject to His authority and they can't do anything without His permission.

This is very comforting to His people, because we know He is in full control of everything that happens and He has predestined everything to be exactly as it is. Praise the Lord of Lords and King of Kings

I hate to break it to you, but in context of Colossians 1:15-20 Jesus is a human who was crucified. Blessed be his holy name. However, you are wrong on the concept of Juesus as a man who is God. That's wrong. Humans aren't God. So I will end my final comment in this thread with respect to @Hepzibah