The "We" in Ephesians

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APAK

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Good morning man,

Yes. Definitely have moved on from the notions of what I once did. It doesn't make me a better person for having stopped those things, however it does bring in a different quality of life which is much more difficult to some degree to deal with, and for that I am thankful. For whatever reason, I like life being difficult. Many people desire the easier path but the difficulty of decisions within the concept of life all of us live are much more effective. One of those difficulties is looking to Yahavah/God.

That is great. My mother probably won't retire until she is 70. My hope is to get to live long enough to see it happen.

That is good. Life is filled with constant moving and shifting around. There is peace and stillness in looking towards God and looking towards his Son, whom is our righteousness, our wisdom, our holiness, and because of the Faith of the Son, and us placing faith in the Son, we are made right with Yahavah and are able to go get to him, and to me, that is something to on the high end of importance.

Won't ever stop, Apak. There is only one resting place, to go to, and sit with, and dine with when people open the door. When
they hear that knock.

No problem. It helps get things off our chest. Perhaps that is why it's said to "bear the burdens of others."

I am sorry to hear that. I have two other people in my life who also have issues it's with their mothers. Their mother is basically dying slowly. There is no one to go to for rest and reassurance when the brass tax is evident, we need to continue in hope towards God even when things are so trying, via sickness, or whatever it is. There are people out there who will just listen, and that does help to get things off our chest. However they are not the end all. Keep faith, and continue to hope, and most of all continue to love (agape.) Faith and love is where it is all at. Humility over pride.
Thank you for your kind words Matthew...pryw for both of us mate...and my wife....and your mom...Blht
 

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I recognize that many people use this verse " just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world" However he is talking about here the choice of using the Israel to bring forth messiah... Many use this verse in essence of God choosing and picking people to predestine or whatever, but if you really look at it, Paul is opening is introduction here by telling the Gentile people where he comes from, and what has now became in open invitation of them to come to salvation if they so want it.
I don't see where you are getting this from the text. The Apostle begins his discourse by reminding his readers of the many spiritual blessings that God has given to his elect. Choosing us before the foundation of the world is one of those blessings.
 
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I don’t believe I was chosen before the foundation of the world. Personally, @CadyandZoe. Maybe you see yourself as such? I do however believe that being of faith in the Gospel of Christ we are adopted into the Kingdom, and are adopted by God to become part of his family.
 

MatthewG

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When I think about the foundation of the world, I think of Abraham and how he brought forth Israel whom was a foundation set before the world to be different among every other nation. And in the end though they would never listen, Jesus came to set forth a new heavens and new earth, which encompasses us all now today. In looking to him in faith, it just the Israelites were the ones set up first, before the Gentiles were brought into the fold, and given an invitation to accept, God into their lives.

Though even so God worked with other people whom were not of Israel, as an example Hagar, the Egyptian.
 

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I don’t believe I was chosen before the foundation of the world. Personally, @CadyandZoe. Maybe you see yourself as such?
I believe what Paul said about being chosen before the foundation of the world.
I do however believe that being of faith in the Gospel of Christ we are adopted into the Kingdom, and are adopted by God to become part of his family.
I also believe that we are adopted into the kingdom, so to speak. Both are true because God is the author and finisher of both.
 

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When I think about the foundation of the world, I think of Abraham and how he brought forth Israel whom was a foundation set before the world to be different among every other nation. And in the end though they would never listen, Jesus came to set forth a new heavens and new earth, which encompasses us all now today. In looking to him in faith, it just the Israelites were the ones set up first, before the Gentiles were brought into the fold, and given an invitation to accept, God into their lives

Though even so God worked with other people whom were not of Israel, as an example Hagar, the Egyptian.
Before the foundation of the world = billions of years ago!
 

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When I think about the foundation of the world, I think of Abraham and how he brought forth Israel whom was a foundation set before the world to be different among every other nation. And in the end though they would never listen, Jesus came to set forth a new heavens and new earth, which encompasses us all now today. In looking to him in faith, it just the Israelites were the ones set up first, before the Gentiles were brought into the fold, and given an invitation to accept, God into their lives.

Though even so God worked with other people whom were not of Israel, as an example Hagar, the Egyptian.
The question is what Paul meant by the phrase "foundation of the world."
 

MatthewG

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I believe what Paul said about being chosen before the foundation of the world.

I also believe that we are adopted into the kingdom, so to speak. Both are true because God is the author and finisher of both.
That’s fine.
The question is what Paul meant by the phrase "foundation of the world."
I don’t know, I gave my answer of what I think it means.

It’s fine whatever you decide to believe. I’m not gonna judge you based on those merits.

I’m just saying for myself personally, I don’t see myself as chosen before the foundation of the earth. To me there is nothing wrong with not seeing myself as such.
 

MatthewG

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Have you ever considered the age of some of the dinosaur artifacts that have been found?….or the galaxies in the heavenlies?
Not so sure that makes a difference. I don’t think I’m gonna change my mind on how I’ve already explained the way I see it. I could be wrong and no one has to believe me.
 

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I think it was Abram whom Yahavah chose out of all the people to bring forth the nation of Israel, he was seemingly predestined, to bring forth the nation of Israel.
Take a peek at what you just wrote . NOW SEE the TRUTH in what next gets written .
GOD did call abraham out and from abraham came issac and from issac , jacob and jacob was surnamed Israel
and beget the twelve tribes .
But reader take heed , ABRAHAM had the gospel preached to HIM and in THY SEED which was CHRIST
would all who do BELEIVE IN HIM be blessed with Faithful abraham . WOULD BE THE TRUE ISRAEL OF GOD .
the ISRAEL that not even all who are of israel are even of ..........
consisting of both the jewish and gentile beleiver . Where the middle wall of partition was brokekn down
and the two become one people IN GOD , by CHRIST .
SO lets flee interfaith and any other gospel so called
and gets busy preaching the ONLY NAME whereby ONE CAN BE SAVED . JESUS the CHRIST .
a lot of people will surely wail on HIS day . And weep and say
BUT DIDNT we claim TO BELEIVE IN YOU
and they will hear , YE NEVER REALLY BELEIVED ME at all . YOU allowed and even beleived
that other relgions had NO NEED TO REPENT and Beleive in ME . YOU NEVER REALLY BELIEVED IT WAS NECESSARY in the first place .
FOR HAD YE TRULY BELEIVED it was , YE HAD NEVER BELEIVED other religoins get a pass . We better watch out .
FOR many will have the blood of many upon their own heads , cause they followed an all inclusive interfaith
CHRIST DENYING LIE and rather preached a false love and gave out false hope which saved none but damned all who beleived it .
 
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Take a peek at what you just wrote . NOW SEE the TRUTH in what next gets written .
GOD did call abraham out and from abraham came issac and from issac , jacob and jacob was surnamed Israel
and beget the twelve tribes .
But reader take heed , ABRAHAM had the gospel preached to HIM and in THY SEED which was CHRIST
would all who do BELEIVE IN HIM be blessed with Faithful abraham . WOULD BE THE TRUE ISRAEL OF GOD .
the ISRAEL that not even all who are of israel are even of ..........
consisting of both the jewish and gentile beleiver . Where the middle wall of partition was brokekn down
and the two become one people IN GOD , by CHRIST .
SO lets flee interfaith and any other gospel so called
and gets busy preaching the ONLY NAME whereby ONE CAN BE SAVED . JESUS the CHRIST .
a lot of people will surely wail on HIS day . And weep and say
BUT DIDNT we claim TO BELEIVE IN YOU
and they will hear , YE NEVER REALLY BELEIVED ME at all . YOU allowed and even beleived
that other relgions had NO NEED TO REPENT and Beleive in ME . YOU NEVER REALLY BELIEVED IT WAS NECESSARY in the first place .
FOR HAD YE TRULY BELEIVED it was , YE HAD NEVER BELEIVED other religoins get a pass . We better watch out .
FOR many will have the blood of many upon their own heads , cause they followed an all inclusive interfaith
CHRIST DENYING LIE and rather preached a false love and gave out false hope which saved none but damned all who beleived it .
@amigo de christo
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MatthewG

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Take a peek at what you just wrote . NOW SEE the TRUTH in what next gets written .
GOD did call abraham out and from abraham came issac and from issac , jacob and jacob was surnamed Israel
and beget the twelve tribes .
But reader take heed , ABRAHAM had the gospel preached to HIM and in THY SEED which was CHRIST
would all who do BELEIVE IN HIM be blessed with Faithful abraham . WOULD BE THE TRUE ISRAEL OF GOD .
the ISRAEL that not even all who are of israel are even of ..........
consisting of both the jewish and gentile beleiver . Where the middle wall of partition was brokekn down
and the two become one people IN GOD , by CHRIST .
SO lets flee interfaith and any other gospel so called
and gets busy preaching the ONLY NAME whereby ONE CAN BE SAVED . JESUS the CHRIST .
a lot of people will surely wail on HIS day . And weep and say
BUT DIDNT we claim TO BELEIVE IN YOU
and they will hear , YE NEVER REALLY BELEIVED ME at all . YOU allowed and even beleived
that other relgions had NO NEED TO REPENT and Beleive in ME . YOU NEVER REALLY BELIEVED IT WAS NECESSARY in the first place .
FOR HAD YE TRULY BELEIVED it was , YE HAD NEVER BELEIVED other religoins get a pass . We better watch out .
FOR many will have the blood of many upon their own heads , cause they followed an all inclusive interfaith
CHRIST DENYING LIE and rather preached a false love and gave out false hope which saved none but damned all who beleived it .

Yes, amigo. Yeshua came in to bring forth the new heavenly (Jerusalem) Israel. One which is of faith. Still, even Jesus was born under the law, and went to Jerusalem, he in essence is "Israel." However, that doesn't stop from where Paul had come from. Being born under the law, and remember when Jesus told his disciples to go to the nation of Israel, and that he had come to the people of Israel. Only later, was the Gentile brought forth into the fold. Therefore, I don't see anything wrong with what has been shared.
 

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That’s fine.

I don’t know, I gave my answer of what I think it means.

It’s fine whatever you decide to believe. I’m not gonna judge you based on those merits.

I’m just saying for myself personally, I don’t see myself as chosen before the foundation of the earth. To me there is nothing wrong with not seeing myself as such.
I'm uncertain what you mean to say here. Do you agree with Paul that we are chosen before the foundation of the world and yet you don't agree that this applies to you personally? Or you just don't accept what Paul said?
 

MatthewG

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I love Paul. I’m just stating my opinions on the things that I think. You are more than welcome to tell me that I am wrong if you would like @CadyandZoe. Im pretty clear about what I believe for the most part.
 

CadyandZoe

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I love Paul. I’m just stating my opinions on the things that I think. You are more than welcome to tell me that I am wrong if you would like @CadyandZoe. Im pretty clear about what I believe for the most part.
I'm trying to get clarity on what you are saying. Are you saying: 1)I disagree with your interpretation, or )I agree with your interpretation but I don't think I am not one of those whom God chose before the foundation of the earth?
 

MatthewG

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I don’t have anything to say to you about that @CadyandZoe. Everything is subjective. What you personally may believe, does not impact my own life lived subjectively between Yahavah and myself.