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Have you ever considered Historicism before you settled on your current belief?Straightshot said:
The Word "Antichrist" Defined: Courtesy of Strong's # 473
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Shalom, Phoneman777.
Also, you need to understand that there have been MANY “maashiyach’s” down through the years. Therefore, since “Christ” = “Messiah,” there have been MANY “christs!” Aharown (Aaron) was a “messiah”; he was a “christ!” Sha`uwl (Saul) was a “messiah”; therefore, he was a “christ!” David was a “messiah”; therefore, he was a “christ!” Shlomoh (Solomon) was a “messiah”; therefore, he was a “christ!” Elisha was a “messiah”; therefore, he was a “christ!” All of these (and many more) were "anointed ones,” whether they were anointed as priest, king, or prophet! A “messiah” or a “christ” was GOD’S choice for one of these occupations.
The prophecies about the “Son of David,” the “Messiah,” were about God’s choice for King, a descendant of David. David was a descendant of Y’hudah or Judah - a “Jew.” Therefore, all of his descendants were also descendants of Y'hudah or Judah - Jews. Thus, when Yeshua` was called “the King of the Jews,” this was a direct statement of His right to be their King! Not only was He to be the King of His own tribe, but He was supposed to be the “King of Israel”; that is, the King of ALL the tribes of Israel - the individual clans within Israel - not just Judah!
Luke 1:30-33
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
KJV
THIS is His heritage, and therefore, THIS is His title and destiny!
Sorry, bro’, but you don’t have the definition of “Christ” right. “Christ” is an English transliteration of the Greek word “christos,” spelled chi-rho-iota-sigma-tau-omicron-s(t)sigma. The word means “an anointed (one)” and is a translation of the Hebrew word “maashiyach,” spelled mem-(qamets)-shin-(chireq)-yod-chet-(patach). As one would suspect, this word also means “an anointed (one).” “Maashiyach” has also been transliterated into English as “Messiah.” Therefore, “Christ” = “Messiah."Phoneman777 said:
Also, you need to understand that there have been MANY “maashiyach’s” down through the years. Therefore, since “Christ” = “Messiah,” there have been MANY “christs!” Aharown (Aaron) was a “messiah”; he was a “christ!” Sha`uwl (Saul) was a “messiah”; therefore, he was a “christ!” David was a “messiah”; therefore, he was a “christ!” Shlomoh (Solomon) was a “messiah”; therefore, he was a “christ!” Elisha was a “messiah”; therefore, he was a “christ!” All of these (and many more) were "anointed ones,” whether they were anointed as priest, king, or prophet! A “messiah” or a “christ” was GOD’S choice for one of these occupations.
The prophecies about the “Son of David,” the “Messiah,” were about God’s choice for King, a descendant of David. David was a descendant of Y’hudah or Judah - a “Jew.” Therefore, all of his descendants were also descendants of Y'hudah or Judah - Jews. Thus, when Yeshua` was called “the King of the Jews,” this was a direct statement of His right to be their King! Not only was He to be the King of His own tribe, but He was supposed to be the “King of Israel”; that is, the King of ALL the tribes of Israel - the individual clans within Israel - not just Judah!
Luke 1:30-33
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
KJV
THIS is His heritage, and therefore, THIS is His title and destiny!
Straightshot said:
The whole thing in the end is satan pretending to be Christ,ie,instead of....One cannot flip the meaning in place of scripture......
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
He can't in the end be against Christ and claim to be Christ,even though he is against
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Yes, I don't know why I typed Christ instead of Christos. Must have been focusing on the "anti" part.Retrobyter said:
ALSO, THE "HE" IN THE SPIRIT OF THE ANTICHRIST...
1 John 4:3 HCS But every spirit who does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist; you have heard that he is coming, and he is already in the world now.
1 John 4:3 ISV But every spirit who does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist. You have heard that he is coming, and now he is already in the world.
1 John 4:3 ABPE And no spirit that does not confess that Yeshua has come in the flesh is from God, but this is from that False Messiah, him whom you have heard that he will come, and already he is in the world.
1 John 4:3 DRB And every spirit that dissolveth Jesus, is not of God: and this is Antichrist, of whom you have heard that he cometh, and he is now already in the world.
Dan 9:26 ESV And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.
Dan 9:27 ISV He will make a binding covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he will suspend both the sacrifice and grain offerings. Destructive people will cause desolation on the pinnacle until it is complete and what has been decreed is poured out on the desolator.'"
Dan 9:27 NIV He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."
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1 John 4:3 HCS But every spirit who does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist; you have heard that he is coming, and he is already in the world now.
1 John 4:3 ISV But every spirit who does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist. You have heard that he is coming, and now he is already in the world.
1 John 4:3 ABPE And no spirit that does not confess that Yeshua has come in the flesh is from God, but this is from that False Messiah, him whom you have heard that he will come, and already he is in the world.
1 John 4:3 DRB And every spirit that dissolveth Jesus, is not of God: and this is Antichrist, of whom you have heard that he cometh, and he is now already in the world.
Dan 9:26 ESV And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.
Dan 9:27 ISV He will make a binding covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he will suspend both the sacrifice and grain offerings. Destructive people will cause desolation on the pinnacle until it is complete and what has been decreed is poured out on the desolator.'"
Dan 9:27 NIV He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."
- ATP
Good answer. According to John an "antichrist" is any single spirit (of men or angels) who denies that Jesus has come in the flesh. According to the late Walter Martin - whose ministry focused on the cults - he says that cults are just that. These cults all say that Jesus was somebody other than who he really was.ATP said:
I always challenge Futurists to go through John's "antichrist" passages word for word and prove that this antichrist is a single entity or that He is a phenomenon that will not appear for two thousand years. They can't do it but as usual just continue on with their mistaken belief system.
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Man, when Paul spoke of the "man of sin", he spoke of him in the context of when the "mystery of iniquity" was already at work in his day, so if no Antichrist has come on the scene yet, then who's to say that he'll EVER show up, seeing it's been 2,000 years since?Cooter said:
Revelation 17 seems to describe a beast power, and an antichrist all in one...the scarlet an purple indicate the pagan roman system, and the woman adorned in scarlet and purple the roman religion...now lets look at some Bible God's 1st Commandment...thou shall have no other gods before me...Roman religion says the leader stands in the place of God...blasphemy 2nd Commandment...do not make any graven images, statues and bow down to them...the Roman religion thrives on statues and it's followers even kiss the feet of the "jesus" statue, 3rd commandment..do not use the name of God in vain...Rome does it all the time with it's titles "Father" and Holy Father...and it's claim to stand in place of God on earth...more blasphemy...and the 4th Commandment "Rememberthe Sabbath day to keep it Holy"....Papal, pagan Rome substituted the 1st day of the week, the day they called sunday, in honour of their sun god.....and tried to make everyone follow this blasphemy by killing true Christians for centuries...until the vast majority were "converted" to the pagan roman system...can this martrydom be done again by Rome? It can and it will be..it is in the works now to have a "sunday" closing law passed around the planet...this ties in with the UN/Globalist/World Religion that is coming our way...interesting times ahead...
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Though the RCC has pretty much gotten wrong every single one of its doctrines including the most fundamental of all - salvation by grace through faith alone - the majority of Protestants stubbornly refuse to see Jesuit "Left Behind" Futurism for what it is: just another false teaching of Rome designed to deceive.heretoeternity said:
So who did the real Christ claim to be?
Mathew 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple...
The temple, the priesthood, and the religious system including all the ceremonies, the sacrifices, and the law of the Jewish nation go hand in hand. It was the mainstay and focal point of the life of Israel. Yet Jesus claimed to be greater. Greater even than the very High priest who no doubt would take great interest in hearing a report of these words. Greater even than the law itself, because He was the lawgiver.
….38 ¶ Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here…
Jonah was the most powerful and successful of all OT prophets. In all 40 odd chapters of Jeremiah, there is no record of anyone at anytime taking the slightest bit of notice of anything Jeremiah said. Yet Jonah, on the strength of just one or two sermons, converted the entire city of Nineveh of the children of Ishmael totaling maybe 60,000 people. By any standards, that has got to be recorded as a very successful evangelistic campaign. Yet Jesus claimed to be greater than Jonah.
…42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
Solomon was the wisest and wealthiest and most successful of any ruler of the ancient world. Yet Jesus claimed to be greater even than Solomon.
He claimed to be a greater priest than the current high priest of Israel, He claimed to be a greater prophet than Jonah, and He claimed to be a greater King than Solomon. In these three startling claims, we have before us the threefold ministry of Jesus. Priest, prophet, and King.
As our High Priest, Jesus now sits beside the Father in the heavenly sanctuary and mediates on our behalf. According to scripture, there is only one Mediator between man and God, Jesus Christ. The RCC however through its man-made priesthood, through the veneration of Mary and dead 'saints', HAVE USURPED THE PLACE OF CHRIST AND 'REPLACED HIM' .In this the Rcc has fully met the criteria demanded of the expression, Antichrist. In room of, instead of, in the place of.
As Prophet, Christ has promised His followers that through the ministration of the Holy Spirit the understanding and truth of scripture as it reveals Himself will be made known to all who ask. The RCC however has replaced the role of the Holy Spirit and instead of, in the room of, in the place of, have established the magisterium that i now, according to Catholic dogma, is the only and sole arbiter and teacher of truth. Not even the priest is permitted to teach anything from scrpture contrary to what the magisterium condone.
As King, Jesus is the ultimate King of kings, the only true rightful and lawful ruker of this world. The RCC however teaches and affirms that the pope is the sole ruling power that has the right and moral stabding to rule the world, hence the recent moves by the Vatican in that direction. In this they replace Christ with their own man-made potentate, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Note the following, how the first beast of Revelation 13 so mimics the ministry of Jesus Christ.
The sea-beast or antichrist.
Comes from water to begin activity. (13:1)
Resembles dragon. (12:13 13:1)
Ten diadems. (13:1)
Ten horns (13:1)
Receives power throne and authority from dragon/Satan. (13:2,4)
42 months of activity in first phase. (13:5)
Was slain (13:3)
Resurrected (13:3)
Receives worship after healing (13:3,4,8)
Now compare:
Jesus Christ
Comes from water to begin ministry (Luke 3:21-23)
Resembles Father (Jn 14:19)
Many diadems (Rev 19:12)
Lamb has 7 horns (5:6)
Receives power throne and authority from His Father (Math 28:18 Rev 2:27 Chapters 4,5)
42 months of ministry in initial phase. (Gospel of John)
Was slain (Rev 5:6)
Was resurrected (Rev1:18)
Received worship after resurrection (Math 28:17)
This sea beast is the RCC, or the papacy. As Christ ministered for 3 and 1/2 years, then received the mortal wound and eventually resurrected, so also did the papacy rule for a prophetic 3 and 1/2 years, or 1260 days, or 42 months, (1260 years from 538ad to 1798ad) and received her mortal wound. In 1929 she was resurrected, and is now well on the road to full recovery where 'all the world shall wonder after her').
So the real Christ claimed to be Priest Prophet and King, and so also does the Antichrist.
Mathew 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple...
The temple, the priesthood, and the religious system including all the ceremonies, the sacrifices, and the law of the Jewish nation go hand in hand. It was the mainstay and focal point of the life of Israel. Yet Jesus claimed to be greater. Greater even than the very High priest who no doubt would take great interest in hearing a report of these words. Greater even than the law itself, because He was the lawgiver.
….38 ¶ Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here…
Jonah was the most powerful and successful of all OT prophets. In all 40 odd chapters of Jeremiah, there is no record of anyone at anytime taking the slightest bit of notice of anything Jeremiah said. Yet Jonah, on the strength of just one or two sermons, converted the entire city of Nineveh of the children of Ishmael totaling maybe 60,000 people. By any standards, that has got to be recorded as a very successful evangelistic campaign. Yet Jesus claimed to be greater than Jonah.
…42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
Solomon was the wisest and wealthiest and most successful of any ruler of the ancient world. Yet Jesus claimed to be greater even than Solomon.
He claimed to be a greater priest than the current high priest of Israel, He claimed to be a greater prophet than Jonah, and He claimed to be a greater King than Solomon. In these three startling claims, we have before us the threefold ministry of Jesus. Priest, prophet, and King.
As our High Priest, Jesus now sits beside the Father in the heavenly sanctuary and mediates on our behalf. According to scripture, there is only one Mediator between man and God, Jesus Christ. The RCC however through its man-made priesthood, through the veneration of Mary and dead 'saints', HAVE USURPED THE PLACE OF CHRIST AND 'REPLACED HIM' .In this the Rcc has fully met the criteria demanded of the expression, Antichrist. In room of, instead of, in the place of.
As Prophet, Christ has promised His followers that through the ministration of the Holy Spirit the understanding and truth of scripture as it reveals Himself will be made known to all who ask. The RCC however has replaced the role of the Holy Spirit and instead of, in the room of, in the place of, have established the magisterium that i now, according to Catholic dogma, is the only and sole arbiter and teacher of truth. Not even the priest is permitted to teach anything from scrpture contrary to what the magisterium condone.
As King, Jesus is the ultimate King of kings, the only true rightful and lawful ruker of this world. The RCC however teaches and affirms that the pope is the sole ruling power that has the right and moral stabding to rule the world, hence the recent moves by the Vatican in that direction. In this they replace Christ with their own man-made potentate, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Note the following, how the first beast of Revelation 13 so mimics the ministry of Jesus Christ.
The sea-beast or antichrist.
Comes from water to begin activity. (13:1)
Resembles dragon. (12:13 13:1)
Ten diadems. (13:1)
Ten horns (13:1)
Receives power throne and authority from dragon/Satan. (13:2,4)
42 months of activity in first phase. (13:5)
Was slain (13:3)
Resurrected (13:3)
Receives worship after healing (13:3,4,8)
Now compare:
Jesus Christ
Comes from water to begin ministry (Luke 3:21-23)
Resembles Father (Jn 14:19)
Many diadems (Rev 19:12)
Lamb has 7 horns (5:6)
Receives power throne and authority from His Father (Math 28:18 Rev 2:27 Chapters 4,5)
42 months of ministry in initial phase. (Gospel of John)
Was slain (Rev 5:6)
Was resurrected (Rev1:18)
Received worship after resurrection (Math 28:17)
This sea beast is the RCC, or the papacy. As Christ ministered for 3 and 1/2 years, then received the mortal wound and eventually resurrected, so also did the papacy rule for a prophetic 3 and 1/2 years, or 1260 days, or 42 months, (1260 years from 538ad to 1798ad) and received her mortal wound. In 1929 she was resurrected, and is now well on the road to full recovery where 'all the world shall wonder after her').
So the real Christ claimed to be Priest Prophet and King, and so also does the Antichrist.
He or they who do not teach the truth that Jesus taught are Antichrist/s...people or groups who believe in doctrines like the trinity would fall in this category.
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