The Word made flesh

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The human brain and the universe,All are parables, all are parables; the whole universe is only a parable.

If you can get it, God Gen 1:17
And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
The human brain?

Are you for real?

I know the mind of the flesh is sort of a spiritual truth but when I think of the mind of Christ the last thing that comes to me is the human brain clfh

This wasnt a good idea lol
 
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The human brain and the universe,All are parables, all are parables; the whole universe is only a parable.

If you can get it, God Gen 1:17
And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

What about the light before the two great lights and stars
 
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Psalm 110:1 [[A Psalm of David.]]
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,
that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Phil 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Phil 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Phil 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Ephes 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,

1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Rev 1:5-6 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth.
Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Romans 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Ephes 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
 
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Let there be word,and there was word......

This one was before the others

Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light

And the Word was made flesh

John 12:46 I am come a light into the world

John 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

John 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

It does tell us here that his eternal power and Godhead can be seen by the very things that are made too

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse
 
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Yes, his two great word/command (two great light ) for life system on earth( us )
I used to think to compare those things between John and Jesus there simply because it spoke of two great lights
and Jesus said there was none greater than John the baptist, but His testimony was greater than his.

Since he compared him to a light also,

John 5:35 He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.

John 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
 
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Adam's side (man of the earth)

Genesis 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof

Jesus side (man from heaven)

John 19:33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs: But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
 
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First man formed from the dust of the ground

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground

The last man is Christ formed in you

Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you.

The church, is the pillar " and ground" of him
 
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I thought this was a neat comparison

Psalm 23:1 [[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

The LORD also speaks of his own shepherd here

Zech 3:7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts:
smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered:

Showing Jesus is that shepherd here

Mark 14:27 And Jesus saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.
 
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Jesus, the living stone (1 Peter 2:4)

Zech 3:9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: (Isaiah 11:2) behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.

Who is also the Lamb of God (John 1:29) which taketh away the sin of the world

Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

The Lamb who was Slain (Rev 5:6) Seven eyes/Seven Spirits (Zech 3:9, Rev 5:6, Isaiah 11:2)

This part here in Zech 3:9 when He says,

"Behold, I will engrave the graving thereof..."

Always made me think of here

Isaiah 49:16 Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me.

The other disciples to Thomas concerning the Lord

John 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord.

But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and
thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

Then Jesus appears to him

John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed:
blessed are they
that have not seen, and yet have believed.

John 20:30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples,
which are not written in this book:

John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
 
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Shorter version showing Jesus was also that prophet Moses wrote of

Deut 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

Acts 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.

Heb 3:5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after
 
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This would make the Logos to be created like the other "parables" as you call them, not born.

Therefore, the light creation in Genesis can not be about Logos, the Son.

Where does the idea come from to that you cannot use the words made or created in relation to Jesus Christ

I found one, for example here it says,

But we are to put on Christ

Gal 3:27

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

We are to put on the Lord Jesus Christ

Romans 13:14

But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh

And then these, we put on the new man

Ephes 4:24

And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.


And have put on the new man

Col 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him


The word created is in those last two verses in relation to Christ, the man we put on
 

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Where does the idea come from to that you cannot use the words made or created in relation to Jesus Christ
It is in the basic and oldest Christian creeds.

You use some strange translation. For example, Col 3:10 in NIV:

Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.

- it is not about Christ being created, but about our new self to be created.