The Word made flesh

[Muna]

It is in the basic and oldest Christian creeds.

You use some strange translations. For example, Col 3:10 in NIV:

Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.

I am not a creed person, and I only use the KJV

God made Jesus a lot of things

The Word was MADE Flesh (John 1:14)
God sent His Son, MADE of a Woman (Gal 4:4)
Jesus Christ, MADE of the Seed of David (Romans 1:3
God MADE him a little lower than the Angels(Psalm 8:5, Hebrews 2:9)
Then, Being MADE so much better than the angels (Heb 1:4)
MADE of the seed of Abraham (Hebrews 2:9) for the suffering of death
And whom God MADE both Lord and Christ (Hebrews 5:5)
Wherefore in all things it behoved him to BE MADE like unto his brethren, that HE MIGHT BE a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God (Heb 2:17)
Whom God glorified and MADE High priest (Hebrews 5:5) Who glorified NOT himself TO BE MADE high priest
Who of God is also MADE unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption (1 Cr 1:30)
Whom God MADE the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. (Hebrews 2:10)
Who was MADE perfect, and BECAME the author of eternal salvation (Hebrews 5:9)
Who would also MAKE His soul an offering for sin (Isaiah 53:10)
Jesus Christ was MADE sin for us (2 Cr 5:21)
The stone which the builders disallowed, the same IS MADE the head of the corner (1 Peter 2:7)

 

[HealthyShape]

I am not a creed person, and I only use the KJV

Use a translation which you will understand better or which is more precise, then.

God made Jesus a lot of things

The Word was MADE Flesh (John 1:14)
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This is obviously not about the creation of the Logos as such. And your translation fails you again, the word "MADE" is not present in J 1:14 at all.

Καὶ ὁ Λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο (became)

As NIV translates precisely: The Word became flesh...

 

[Muna]

@HealthyShape


It really not a crazy thing, and this isnt even all the translations that word it that way, for example


Berean Literal Bible
and having put on the new, the one being renewed in knowledge according to the image of the one having created him,

King James Bible
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

New King James Version
and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him,

New American Standard Bible
and have put on the new self, which is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created it—

NASB 1995
and have put on the new self who is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created him—

NASB 1977
and have put on the new self who is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created him

Legacy Standard Bible
and have put on the new man who is being renewed to a full knowledge according to the image of the One who created him—

Amplified Bible
and have put on the new [spiritual] self who is being continually renewed in true knowledge in the image of Him who created the new self

American Standard Version
and have put on the new man, that is being renewed unto knowledge after the image of him that created him:


English Revised Version
and have put on the new man, which is being renewed unto knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Webster's Bible Translation
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Literal Standard Version
and having put on the new, which is renewed in regard to knowledge, after the image of Him who created him,

Berean Literal Bible
and having put on the new, the one being renewed in knowledge according to the image of the one having created him,

Young's Literal Translation
and having put on the new, which is renewed in regard to knowledge, after the image of Him who did create him;

Smith's Literal Translation
And having put on the new, being renewed in knowledge according to the image of him having created him:

Douay-Rheims Bible
And putting on the new, him who is renewed unto knowledge, according to the image of him that created him.

Catholic Public Domain Version
and clothe yourself with the new man, who has been renewed by knowledge, in accord with the image of the One who created him,

Anderson New Testament
and have put on the new man, which is renewed for knowledge, according to the image of him that created him;

Godbey New Testament
and having put on the new man, who is renewed into perfect knowledge according to the image of him who created him:

Haweis New Testament
and have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge, after the image of him that created him.

Worrell New Testament
and having put on the new man who is being renewed unto full knowledge, according to the image of Him Who created him;

Worsley New Testament
and have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge, after the image of Him that created him.

 

[Jack]

A deep thinking of all.
All are parables, all are parables; the whole universe is only a parable.

So, salvation is only a parable, according to you!

 

[HealthyShape]

@HealthyShape


It really not a crazy thing, and this isnt even all the translations that word it that way, for example

The context determines what or who was created. The context is not about Christ, but about our new self. Some translations refer to our new self as to "him", some as to "it", but it does not change the subject.

 

[Jack]

Gen 1:26 God said, "Let US make man in OUR image according to OUR likeness... "

Father, Son and Holy Spirit!

Jesus is God the Creator!

 

[Muna]

Use a translation which you will understand better or which is more precise, then.


This is obviously not about the creation of the Logos as such. And your translation fails you again, the word "MADE" is not present in J 1:14 at all.

Καὶ ὁ Λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο (became)

As NIV translates precisely: The Word became flesh...

When you look its just about words because made is synomous with became

For example,

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

John 1:14 And the Word was made G3056 flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

ginomai

1. to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
2. to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen
   1. of events
3. to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage
   1. of men appearing in public
4. to be made, finished
   
   1. of miracles, to be performed, wrought
5. to become, be made

Its like ths weird word phobia some people have with this sort of thing and the lengths they go to make words taboo

 

[Muna]

The context determines what or who was created. The context is not about Christ, but about our new self. Some translations refer to our new self as to "him", some as to "it", but it does not change the subject.

Do this one!

God sent His Son, MADE of a Woman (Gal 4:4)

Because how can that be, God sent his Son BECOME of a Woman

 

[HealthyShape]

When you look its just about words because made is synomous with became

No, it is not, in English. Made is made and became is became. Different meanings.

 

[Muna]

Do this one!

God sent His Son, MADE of a Woman (Gal 4:4)

Because how can that be, God sent his Son BECOME of a Woman

Same word

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made G1096 of a woman, made under the law,

ginomai

1. to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
2. to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen
   1. of events
3. to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage
   1. of men appearing in public
4. to be made, finished
   1. of miracles, to be performed, wrought
5. to become, be made

All those verbs are synonymous, whatever correctly fits the sentence, sometimes it can be made or become, its a little crazy to be so phobic over a word.

 

[soberxp]

So, salvation is only a parable, according to you!

Gen 1:26 God said, "Let US make man in OUR image according to OUR likeness... "

Father, Son and Holy Spirit!

Jesus is God the Creator!

"Jesus is God the Creator!"is only a parable, according to me!
"Farther is son" is only a parable, according to me!
"Son is father" is only a parable, according to me!

 

[HealthyShape]

Do this one!

God sent His Son, MADE of a Woman (Gal 4:4)

Because how can that be, God sent his Son BECOME of a Woman

"MADE of a Woman" is a terrible translation, of course. People are born, not made from women. And the capital W is also weird.

 

[Muna]

No, it is not, in English. Made is made and became is became. Different meanings.

Was he made of a woman or did he become of a woman?

How's that work?

Was he made sin or did he become sin?

Was he made lower than the angels

Or did he become lower than the angels.

Because, you REALLY have to be MADE lower than the angels for the suffering of death, just being lower than them wouldnt quite do it you think?

 

[Jack]

Jesus is God the Creator!is only a parable, according to me!

And Satan! You need to RUN LIKE HELL from Kingdom Hall!

 

[HealthyShape]

Was he made of a woman or did he become of a woman?

In English, the proper translation is "born of a woman", of course.

 

[Muna]

In English, the proper translation is "born of a woman", of course.

Its like AI, everyone sweeping up under the rug all these faulty translator words behind Jesus while for years using those words and adhering to creeds (this absolutely must have some eternal reprocussions)

 

[Muna]

In English, the proper translation is "born of a woman", of course.

By the way, I do know when someone says made, its made flesh, or if it says, became flesh, its just that, its just words.

I wouldnt do this to anyone

Isaiah 29:21 That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.

 

[Muna]

"MADE of a Woman" is a terrible translation, of course.

We are the clay, and he was made clay (like us)

People are born, not made from women.

We always said, women made babies, we understood what that meant

And the capital W is also weird.

HS, you need real things to Worry about over there

 

[soberxp]

We are the clay, and he was made clay (like us)

We always said, women made babies, we understood what that meant



HS, you need real things to Worry about over there

They won't allow you say the truth, cuz they love to lie.

God made Jesus Christ in his own image.

If God didn't made Jesus Christ in his own image, the salvation is only a parable......

 

[HealthyShape]

By the way, I do know when someone says made, its made flesh, or if it says, became flesh, its just that, its just words.

Words have meanings, it is the point of language.