1. Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Featured The Word of God

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by Christophany, Nov 20, 2020.

  1. marks

    marks Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    12,631
    Likes Received:
    7,756
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    That's cool!

    My personal idea is that the Word of God is like our new DNA, and it renews the mind by imprinting our minds/brains with it's words and thoughts and paradigms.

    Much love!
     
    JohnDB likes this.
  2. marks

    marks Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    12,631
    Likes Received:
    7,756
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    It's these little intricacies of the Bible, the more we pay attention to them, the more we can learn to consider the genre of the passage, the type of statement, the more we'll have a true idea of what God is saying to us.

    And all the more important for those who would be a teacher.

    Much love!
     
  3. Christophany

    Christophany Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,116
    Likes Received:
    1,097
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    I'm not off path read the OP.
     
  4. justbyfaith

    justbyfaith Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    18,326
    Likes Received:
    3,506
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    I assume you are speaking of where Paul says it is he, not the Lord, who is saying what he is saying.

    I would say that he is still saying what he says with apostolic authority and under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
     
    Heart2Soul likes this.
  5. CharismaticLady

    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    6,582
    Likes Received:
    2,703
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    We should always listen with respect because of that authority.
     
  6. CharismaticLady

    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    6,582
    Likes Received:
    2,703
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    I agree. He didn't need any of the other apostles to teach him. God teaches me too, but I'm not infallible in my own thoughts, just because He has taught me the meaning of His words, and to know the difference between what Paul teaches from God, and his own fallible opinions of the other apostles, or personal things, or some of the Jewish things he still did, like having Timothy circumcised, or paying for vows, neither of which are New Covenant doctrines and we shouldn't take them as such. Many people, including yourself do not obey Paul's commandment from the LORD!!! to not forbid speaking in tongues, but you'll take other things he said that suit your purposes as from God, which are not.

    What we learned from Jesus is nothing inside a covenant ends until the covenant is fulfilled and itself ends. The New Covenant includes the gifts of the Spirit, and the Spirit indwelling us to put an end to our sin nature and make us partakers of His divine nature, so we are truly children of God, Himself. Many choose to believe otherwise, saying we will always sin, or that the gifts ceased. Did another covenant put an end to the New Covenant that started on the Day of Pentecost? Even Paul said that tongues would cease, but also when - when we see Him face to face. That is the second coming. That has NOT happened yet, so not a jot or a tittle, nor a dotting of an "i", or the crossing of a "t" will end until the covenant ends.
     
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2020
  7. JohnDB

    JohnDB Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,707
    Likes Received:
    1,686
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Ummm
    Just to clarify something.
    Paul was formally educated. He was a "Pharisee of Pharisees" with full authority of the Elders to seek and destroy the Christians. He could supervise a stoning (Stephen) but couldn't take part because of legal restrictions of purity.

    But as soon as Jesus "knocked him off his horse" he started to teach himself and spent three years in reexamination of the scriptures to relearn what he once thought he knew... BEFORE he began his ministry tours.

    Paul was anything but not formally educated.
     
  8. CharismaticLady

    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    6,582
    Likes Received:
    2,703
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Yes, that is correct, but we are talking about teaching him the gospel, not his life before Christ.

    Galatians 1:11-12
    11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
     
    marks likes this.
  9. JohnDB

    JohnDB Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,707
    Likes Received:
    1,686
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    The Old Testament explains the New Testament

    The New Testament reveals the Old Testament. (Of which Paul wrote at least a third of)

    So Paul's knowledge and familiarity with the scriptures were extremely helpful in his search for what Jesus being the Messiah truly meant.
     
    Heart2Soul and Christophany like this.
  10. CharismaticLady

    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    6,582
    Likes Received:
    2,703
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Not sure if there is a point you think we are missing???
     
  11. JohnDB

    JohnDB Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,707
    Likes Received:
    1,686
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Just that Paul was well educated in the scriptures. He even owned several scrolls of the scriptures himself. (Very expensive...like a luxury home mortgage expensive)
    And that being formally educated in scriptures and hermeneutic principles is not a bad thing...in fact somewhat needed.
     
    Christophany likes this.
  12. Christophany

    Christophany Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,116
    Likes Received:
    1,097
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Indeed as he declared in his testimony below:

    Acts 22:1-5

    Brothers and fathers, listen now to my defense.”

    2 When they heard him speak to them in Aramaic, they became very quiet.

    Then Paul said: 3 “I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city. I studied under Gamaliel and was thoroughly trained in the law of our ancestors. I was just as zealous for God as any of you are today. 4 I persecuted the followers of this Way to their death, arresting both men and women and throwing them into prison, 5 as the high priest and all the Council can themselves testify. I even obtained letters from them to their associates in Damascus, and went there to bring these people as prisoners to Jerusalem to be punished.

    Acts 26
    Then Agrippa said to Paul, “You have permission to speak for yourself.”

    So Paul motioned with his hand and began his defense: 2 “King Agrippa, I consider myself fortunate to stand before you today as I make my defense against all the accusations of the Jews, 3 and especially so because you are well acquainted with all the Jewish customs and controversies. Therefore, I beg you to listen to me patiently.

    4 “The Jewish people all know the way I have lived ever since I was a child, from the beginning of my life in my own country, and also in Jerusalem. 5 They have known me for a long time and can testify, if they are willing, that I conformed to the strictest sect of our religion, living as a Pharisee.

    Galatians 1:13–2:10

    13 For you have heard of my former life in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God violently and tried to destroy it. 14 And I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people, so extremely zealous was I for the traditions of my fathers. 15 But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace, 16 was pleased to reveal his Son to me, in order that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with anyone; 17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me, but I went away into Arabia, and returned again to Damascus.

    18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to visit Cephas and remained with him fifteen days. 19 But I saw none of the other apostles except James the Lord’s brother. 20 (In what I am writing to you, before God, I do not lie!) 21 Then I went into the regions of Syria and Cilicia. 22 And I was still unknown in person to the churches of Judea that are in Christ. 23 They only were hearing it said, “He who used to persecute us is now preaching the faith he once tried to destroy.” 24 And they glorified God because of me.

    2 Then after fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, taking Titus along with me. 2 I went up because of a revelation and set before them (though privately before those who seemed influential) the gospel that I proclaim among the Gentiles, in order to make sure I was not running or had not run in vain. 3 But even Titus, who was with me, was not forced to be circumcised, though he was a Greek. 4 Yet because of false brothers secretly brought in—who slipped in to spy out our freedom that we have in Christ Jesus, so that they might bring us into slavery— 5 to them we did not yield in submission even for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you. 6 And from those who seemed to be influential (what they were makes no difference to me; God shows no partiality)—those, I say, who seemed influential added nothing to me. 7 On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised 8 (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles), 9 and when James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. 10 Only, they asked us to remember the poor, the very thing I was eager to do.

    Philippians 3:5-6
    circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin; a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the Law, a Pharisee; as to zeal, persecuting the church; as to righteousness under the Law, faultless.
     
    JohnDB likes this.
  13. marks

    marks Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    12,631
    Likes Received:
    7,756
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Philippians 3
    5) Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
    6) Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
    7) But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
    8) Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
     
  14. marks

    marks Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    12,631
    Likes Received:
    7,756
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    You may remember this was because Paul knew they were going into an place that had an orthodox Jewish population, who knew Timothy's father was Greek. He didn't want this hindering the Gospel.

    When they were compelling Titus to be circumcised, Paul absolutely refused.

    And that's a good point, Forbid not speaking in tongues, that's an imperative.

    :)

    Much love!
     
  15. marks

    marks Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    12,631
    Likes Received:
    7,756
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Sometimes there is a lot of unlearning in the process of learning.

    :)

    Much love!
     
  16. marks

    marks Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    12,631
    Likes Received:
    7,756
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Wasn't Paul taught directly by Jesus?

    Much love!
     
  17. JohnDB

    JohnDB Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,707
    Likes Received:
    1,686
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    No
     
    marks likes this.
  18. Christophany

    Christophany Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,116
    Likes Received:
    1,097
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    great point and the same author of the same book to the same people says a woman is not allowed to speak in the church or teach a man , to remain silent, ask questions at home and to wear a head covering and not cut her hair.

    but hey pick and choose what to believe and reject as truth.

    and don't bring mans opinion outside of the bible into the discussion such as culture, the times of their day, customs since those are things outside of the bible and are unnecessary for knowledge and wisdom from God since you said that earlier.

    oops...............................
     
  19. marks

    marks Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    12,631
    Likes Received:
    7,756
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Good answer! I worded my question poorly! But you are correct, Paul was not taught by Jesus, rather, Jesus gave revelation to Paul.

    So then could we say that Paul was not taught the Gospel, nor did he learn about Jesus, rather, that Jesus revealed Himself to Paul, and revealed to Paul those things that Paul wrote?

    Much love!
     
    Heart2Soul likes this.
  20. marks

    marks Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    12,631
    Likes Received:
    7,756
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Are you asking a question here?

    Or making a snide statement?

    Do you have an objection to something said?

    Are you cessationist?

    Is this just to impugn me, like I just "pick and choose what to believe"? "Reject as truth"? An accusation of "intellectual dishonesty"?

    Dead in Sin !

    Have you considered why you feel this sort of thing to be so important, and that each of us will give account for themself?

    Much love!
     
Loading...