"The word was a god"?

[rebuilder 454]

Fact?

If it’s such a “non negotiable” issue why didn’t any of the inspired writers of the New Testament warn us about “Trinity” deniers?

To blaspheme the Holy Spirit is unpardonable.
Ever wonder why?

 

[David1701]

How does restating the Trinity offer any proof of it?

I take it that you acknowledge that the Father is God; and I've already provided ample proof that the Lord Jesus Christ is God.


John 1:1 (K.J.V.) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Exodus 3:13,14
13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

John 8:57-59
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Matt. 1:22,23
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

1 Tim. 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

John 20:26-29
26 ¶ And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Romans 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

"The word was a god"?

The Holy Spirit is also definitely God, according to the Holy Bible.

"Old Testament Evidence

In Genesis 1:2, readers learn that “the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters,” indicative of an active, creative role in bringing the heavens and earth into existence. Job 33:4 states: “The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life.” This ascribes the act of creation, a divine work, to the Holy Spirit.

Isaiah 48:16 also mentions, “And now the Lord GOD has sent Me, accompanied by His Spirit.” The Spirit’s presence and function are tied directly to Yahweh’s commissioning of His servants, again suggesting that this is a divine operation.

New Testament Evidence

In the New Testament, the Holy Spirit’s divine status is made explicit. Matthew 28:19 instructs, “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” Baptism “in the name of” signals equality of standing among Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

The clearest demonstration appears in Acts 5:3-4, where Peter confronts Ananias for lying to the Holy Spirit and concludes, “You have not lied to men but to God.” This statement establishes that to sin against the Holy Spirit is to sin against God, affirming the Holy Spirit’s deity.

Divine Attributes

Several divine attributes ascribed to God are also attributed to the Holy Spirit:

• Omniscience: 1 Corinthians 2:10-11 shows the Spirit’s knowledge of “the deep things of God” and emphasizes that “no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.”

• Omnipresence: Psalm 139:7 asks, “Where can I go to escape Your Spirit? Where can I flee from Your presence?” implying that the Spirit is everywhere, a feature attributed only to the divine.

• Holiness: The very title “Holy Spirit” suggests a unique holiness akin to God’s. Ephesians 4:30 warns believers not to “grieve the Holy Spirit of God.”

Role in Salvation and Sanctification

Scripture details the Spirit’s work in salvation and spiritual growth. Jesus refers to the Holy Spirit as the Advocate or Helper who teaches and guides (John 14:26). Romans 8:11 asserts that “if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies.” Since raising the dead is a divine act, this credits the Holy Spirit with the power of resurrection."

Is the Holy Spirit considered to be God?

 

[rebuilder 454]

I take it that you acknowledge that the Father is God; and I've already provided ample proof that the Lord Jesus Christ is God.


John 1:1 (K.J.V.) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Exodus 3:13,14
13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

John 8:57-59
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Matt. 1:22,23
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

1 Tim. 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

John 20:26-29
26 ¶ And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Romans 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

"The word was a god"?

The Holy Spirit is also definitely God, according to the Holy Bible.

"Old Testament Evidence

In Genesis 1:2, readers learn that “the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters,” indicative of an active, creative role in bringing the heavens and earth into existence. Job 33:4 states: “The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life.” This ascribes the act of creation, a divine work, to the Holy Spirit.

Isaiah 48:16 also mentions, “And now the Lord GOD has sent Me, accompanied by His Spirit.” The Spirit’s presence and function are tied directly to Yahweh’s commissioning of His servants, again suggesting that this is a divine operation.

New Testament Evidence

In the New Testament, the Holy Spirit’s divine status is made explicit. Matthew 28:19 instructs, “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” Baptism “in the name of” signals equality of standing among Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

The clearest demonstration appears in Acts 5:3-4, where Peter confronts Ananias for lying to the Holy Spirit and concludes, “You have not lied to men but to God.” This statement establishes that to sin against the Holy Spirit is to sin against God, affirming the Holy Spirit’s deity.

Divine Attributes

Several divine attributes ascribed to God are also attributed to the Holy Spirit:

• Omniscience: 1 Corinthians 2:10-11 shows the Spirit’s knowledge of “the deep things of God” and emphasizes that “no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.”

• Omnipresence: Psalm 139:7 asks, “Where can I go to escape Your Spirit? Where can I flee from Your presence?” implying that the Spirit is everywhere, a feature attributed only to the divine.

• Holiness: The very title “Holy Spirit” suggests a unique holiness akin to God’s. Ephesians 4:30 warns believers not to “grieve the Holy Spirit of God.”

Role in Salvation and Sanctification

Scripture details the Spirit’s work in salvation and spiritual growth. Jesus refers to the Holy Spirit as the Advocate or Helper who teaches and guides (John 14:26). Romans 8:11 asserts that “if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies.” Since raising the dead is a divine act, this credits the Holy Spirit with the power of resurrection."

Is the Holy Spirit considered to be God?

Also....the Holy Spirit is a "He"

 

[rebuilder 454]

I take it that you acknowledge that the Father is God; and I've already provided ample proof that the Lord Jesus Christ is God.


John 1:1 (K.J.V.) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Exodus 3:13,14
13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

John 8:57-59
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Matt. 1:22,23
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

1 Tim. 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

John 20:26-29
26 ¶ And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Romans 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

"The word was a god"?

The Holy Spirit is also definitely God, according to the Holy Bible.

"Old Testament Evidence

In Genesis 1:2, readers learn that “the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters,” indicative of an active, creative role in bringing the heavens and earth into existence. Job 33:4 states: “The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life.” This ascribes the act of creation, a divine work, to the Holy Spirit.

Isaiah 48:16 also mentions, “And now the Lord GOD has sent Me, accompanied by His Spirit.” The Spirit’s presence and function are tied directly to Yahweh’s commissioning of His servants, again suggesting that this is a divine operation.

New Testament Evidence

In the New Testament, the Holy Spirit’s divine status is made explicit. Matthew 28:19 instructs, “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” Baptism “in the name of” signals equality of standing among Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

The clearest demonstration appears in Acts 5:3-4, where Peter confronts Ananias for lying to the Holy Spirit and concludes, “You have not lied to men but to God.” This statement establishes that to sin against the Holy Spirit is to sin against God, affirming the Holy Spirit’s deity.

Divine Attributes

Several divine attributes ascribed to God are also attributed to the Holy Spirit:

• Omniscience: 1 Corinthians 2:10-11 shows the Spirit’s knowledge of “the deep things of God” and emphasizes that “no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.”

• Omnipresence: Psalm 139:7 asks, “Where can I go to escape Your Spirit? Where can I flee from Your presence?” implying that the Spirit is everywhere, a feature attributed only to the divine.

• Holiness: The very title “Holy Spirit” suggests a unique holiness akin to God’s. Ephesians 4:30 warns believers not to “grieve the Holy Spirit of God.”

Role in Salvation and Sanctification

Scripture details the Spirit’s work in salvation and spiritual growth. Jesus refers to the Holy Spirit as the Advocate or Helper who teaches and guides (John 14:26). Romans 8:11 asserts that “if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies.” Since raising the dead is a divine act, this credits the Holy Spirit with the power of resurrection."

Is the Holy Spirit considered to be God?

God made man in his image.
A Triune being.

What a "coincidence"!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

To blaspheme the Holy Spirit is unpardonable.
Ever wonder why?

You haven’t answered the question.

The Trinity is true because someone told you it was true.

 

[Wrangler]

I take it that you acknowledge that the Father is God; and I've already provided ample proof that the Lord Jesus Christ is God.


John 1:1 (K.J.V.) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

This doesn’t say anything about Jesus. To offer a verse not even mentioning Jesus as proof shows how desperate you are to find ANYTHING to claim not only ’support’ but ‘proof.’ Contrast to 1 COR 8:6, ‘For us, there is one God, the Father.’ Not only does this verse identify who God is, it identifies who God is not.

If I say I am the child’s twin, not only does it mean who the twin is but also who the twin is not. This is the Law of Mutual Exclusion of logic and explains why an alibi is so powerful in refuting culpability. If you were at your mother’s house during the time the crime was committed in a different city, it means you were not in the city committing the crime.

Now, if one starts with the conclusion that you are guilty, that a man is God, then must reject logic as a means to identify truth. Another says they believe this butterfly is God and no facts or presentation of logic will dissuade them, what can be done? Celebrate 1A Freedom of Religion, I suppose.

 

[Wrangler]

You haven’t answered the question.

The Trinity is true because someone told you it was true.

I never understood the passion for this anti-Biblical creed. That over takes every other consideration. This thread is not about the trinity but trinitarians make everything about the trinity. This thread is about authority and mastery. Are words of a god, themselves a god? See post #1016.

Funny how doctrinally invested they are in this verse to deny how a word can be WITH God and be a god at the same time, I.e., different senses of words, as opposed to a mystical claim of duality.

 

[David1701]

This doesn’t say anything about Jesus. To offer a verse not even mentioning Jesus as proof shows how desperate you are to find ANYTHING to claim not only ’support’ but ‘proof.’ Contrast to 1 COR 8:6, ‘For us, there is one God, the Father.’ Not only does this verse identify who God is, it identifies who God is not.

If I say I am the child’s twin, not only does it mean who the twin is but also who the twin is not. This is the Law of Mutual Exclusion of logic and explains why an alibi is so powerful in refuting culpability. If you were at your mother’s house during the time the crime was committed in a different city, it means you were not in the city committing the crime.

Now, if one starts with the conclusion that you are guilty, that a man is God, then must reject logic as a means to identify truth. Another says they believe this butterfly is God and no facts or presentation of logic will dissuade them, what can be done? Celebrate 1A Freedom of Religion, I suppose.

So, you ignore all the other proof I've provided and hope that no-one notices... And, who else do you think the Word could be, who was with God and who was God?

Anyway, Jesus is clearly the living Word of God.

1 John 1:1-4 (Webster)
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was revealed, and we have seen it , and bear witness, and show to you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was revealed to us;)
3 That which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things we write to you, that your joy may be full.

1 John 5:6-9
6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness on earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

Heb. 4:12-14
12 For the word of God is living, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is hidden in his sight: but all things are naked and opened to the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that hath passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.