Text from 1 Corinthians 7:29
Your thoughts?
What part of you wants sexual pleasure? Spirit or flesh?
Your thoughts?
What part of you wants sexual pleasure? Spirit or flesh?
Those who have wifes should live as if they do not
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PS95
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Your verse in the OP is taken out of context when reading your posts after it. Paul is not saying sexual relations is a sin. He thought the time was short and suggested that they focus on the Lord only- it was not a command but his opinion- he did not ever say that sex is evil or sinful.
21Were you called while a slave? Do not worry about it; but if you are able also to become free, rather do that. 22For he who was called in the Lord while a slave, is the Lord’s freedman; likewise he who was called while free, is Christ’s slave. 23You were bought with a price; do not become slaves of men. 24Brethren, each one is to remain with God in that condition in which he was called.
25Now concerning virgins I have no command of the Lord, but I give an opinion as one who by the mercy of the Lord is trustworthy. 26I think then that this is good in view of the present distress, that it is good for a man to remain as he is. 27Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be released. Are you released from a wife? Do not seek a wife. 28But if you marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. Yet such will have trouble in this life, and I am trying to spare you. 29But this I say, brethren, the time has been shortened, so that from now on those who have wives should be as though they had none; 30and those who weep, as though they did not weep; and those who rejoice, as though they did not rejoice; and those who buy, as though they did not possess; 31and those who use the world, as though they did not make full use of it; for the form of this world is passing away.
32But I want you to be free from concern. One who is unmarried is concerned about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord; 33but one who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how he may please his wife, 34and his interests are divided. The woman who is unmarried, and the virgin, is concerned about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and spirit; but one who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how she may please her husband. 35This I say for your own benefit; not to put a restraint upon you, but to promote what is appropriate and to secure undistracted devotion to the Lord.
36But if any man thinks that he is acting unbecomingly toward his virgin daughter, if she is past her youth, and if it must be so, let him do what he wishes, he does not sin; let her marry. 37But he who stands firm in his heart, being under no constraint, but has authority over his own will, and has decided this in his own heart, to keep his own virgin daughter, he will do well. 38So then both he who gives his own virgin daughter in marriage does well, and he who does not give her in marriage will do better.
Paul gave us food for thought-
"A married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife—
and his interests are divided.
An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit.
But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband." (1 Corinthians 7:33-34)
"I think that it is good for a man to remain as he is. Are you pledged to a woman? Do not seek to be released. Are you free from such a commitment? Do not look for a wife. But if you do marry, you have not sinned....But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this."(1 Cor 7:26-28)
"To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single, as I am." (1 Cor 7:8)
"A married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife—
and his interests are divided.
An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit.
But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband." (1 Corinthians 7:33-34)
"I think that it is good for a man to remain as he is. Are you pledged to a woman? Do not seek to be released. Are you free from such a commitment? Do not look for a wife. But if you do marry, you have not sinned....But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this."(1 Cor 7:26-28)
"To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single, as I am." (1 Cor 7:8)
Thank you for reply.
Yes. We were designed to have babies and with many mechanisms to take care of our bodies. We also must eat. But sometimes we eat in the wrong way. When consuming food is sin? If the purpose of consuming food for pleasure sensations, which usually leads to overeating, disbalance and poisoning yourself with junk.
Problems are coming when we associate ourselves with sinful nature. Sin want sutisfy feelings. Only if you associate yourself with Spirit, you will have desire to take care of body and follow God's Will to have children.
Sex and consuming food are sin, if you follow "flesh" to get something for pleasure. And not sin if Spirit guides you for purpose.
My first question wasn't answered yet. Is sexual pleasure a desire of the flesh or the Spirit? Easy to answer for those who follow Jesus. Check your status by what you want.
soberxp
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God made man and woman.
So do you believe that God still could made a wife for someone as he did it on Adam, not a flesh one but Spiritual one?
7:29
But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;
I don't know, but I have a feeling you're looking for, "No, sexual pleasure within marriage is not a desire of the flesh." So you can then rattle off all the reasons that's wrong.
Reading this in its full context I think it means don't let anything hold you back or be more important than spreading the gospel.
Why would Spirit need pleasure?
Can anyone realize, that desire of pleasure is a bait for unreasonable animals to guide their lives? If you guided by Spirit, do you understand what to do? Can you be free from unreasonable feelings?
soberxp
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O you of little faith,
your trust is yet too small.
25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
25:2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
Full context means don't be in position of the slave of two masters. It is possible to be a "slave" only of God's Spirit even if you are married. But it is difficult, if your wife is not prioritizing God and still tied to the world and the flesh.
I'm honest. I don't pretend to have a faith in miracles. I am observing the world and it's history. There's no guarantee you will be protected by God, even if you are perfect. And I still believe, that God is the only choice we have, and only His guidance through the Spirit can save humanity. But no miracles. Only miracle of soul transformation by Spirit.
If you didn't realize my intentions to start this thread, I will explain.
If you are were awakegned, reborn it doesn't mean God has done with you and you have gotten to the top. You need to pass through the stage of being a slave of two masters and as fast as possible. Be active with aligning yourself with the Spirit. Aim to the top, become the Spirit, become like Jesus. Don't think to be an average is enough. God didn't bless apostles and first disciples with special abilities dedicated only to them. God opens the way to become like Jesus for anyone.
If you are were awakegned, reborn it doesn't mean God has done with you and you have gotten to the top. You need to pass through the stage of being a slave of two masters and as fast as possible. Be active with aligning yourself with the Spirit. Aim to the top, become the Spirit, become like Jesus. Don't think to be an average is enough. God didn't bless apostles and first disciples with special abilities dedicated only to them. God opens the way to become like Jesus for anyone.
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The spirits of man and the Spirit of God can be pleased, but not by the things pleasing to the flesh.
soberxp
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"It is not about being protected by God—but being shielded by His Word.
Fear not those who wield the power of death—their minds are prisons of decay.
But our God breathes life—
He could fashion a new living soul from nothing if He willed it.
How much more, then, shall He sustain us?"
Live each day, we don't know that our time will end at some point in this world.
soberxp
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So what is your first love to your wife or girlfriend?
It's must not something about flesh.......only prue love,
So both they that have wives be as though they had none;
Sorry, didn't have time to finish.
By checking your desires you can evaluate yourself.
1. If you want only what your body tempts, you are "dead".
2. If you resist temptations, because you're trying not to do what prohibited - you under the law. You will fail and will brake the law. "You are empty vessel" without the Spirit.
3. If you don't want to fail, sometimes you hate sin, sometimes you're winning, but when no inspiration you are loosing - you are a slave of two masters. You are still a "flesh". Inspiration from God's Spirit lifts you up, gives you power, but you and Spirit are separeted.
4. If you don't want what flesh desires - you rejected yourself, completely. No other sources to live - only the Spirit, you rejected flesh and become the Spirit. You only want what is Right, you don't need pleasure. You want children, sex is your tool to convince a child and sensations in your body are not as pleasant as being aware of posibility of starting a new life. You are strong, you are Spirit in your body, and sexual act won't "kill you". You want what is Right, not what is pleasant.
I saw this verse proven on two separate occasions-
"A married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife—
and his interests are divided." (1 Corinthians 7:33-34)
The first was when a pal of mine used to visit me for a spot of chess-like strategy gaming and he was pretty good at it, but then he got married and when he came back from honeymoon he seemed distracted andunable to concentrate, and kept sneaking peeks at his watch every 5 minutes which annoyed me, and he said "My wife told me to be back by 6 pm and I dare not be late".
Then exactly the same thing happened some years later when another pal and his wife stayed with me at my place for a week.. One day him and me went for a look round town while she remained behind to do some cooking, and he kept sneaking glances at his watch every 5 minutes."I've got to be back by 6 or i'll never hear the last of it" he explained..:)
(PS- neither of their marriages lasted more than a few years)
"A married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife—
and his interests are divided." (1 Corinthians 7:33-34)
The first was when a pal of mine used to visit me for a spot of chess-like strategy gaming and he was pretty good at it, but then he got married and when he came back from honeymoon he seemed distracted andunable to concentrate, and kept sneaking peeks at his watch every 5 minutes which annoyed me, and he said "My wife told me to be back by 6 pm and I dare not be late".
Then exactly the same thing happened some years later when another pal and his wife stayed with me at my place for a week.. One day him and me went for a look round town while she remained behind to do some cooking, and he kept sneaking glances at his watch every 5 minutes."I've got to be back by 6 or i'll never hear the last of it" he explained..:)
(PS- neither of their marriages lasted more than a few years)
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