Jim B
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It certainly does "escape me", since it's total nonsense. Why are you so deluded to think that Catholics consider any Bible, modern or not, to be the final word of authority?
It certainly does "escape me", since it's total nonsense. Why are you so deluded to think that Catholics consider any Bible, modern or not, to be the final word of authority?
I've been using the NIV since 1985.
None of you got anything on me.
I've been using the NIV since 1985.
None of you got anything on me.
King James wrote this: "Kings are called Gods by God Himself because they sit upon God's earthly throne." (source: "The Book of Books -- The Radical Impact of the King James Bible 1611-2011", by Melvyn Bragg)
The KJV was clearly created to bolster King James image of himself and his slanted doctrine, not to accurately translate the early sources.
To all:
So if you hate the King James Bible as being the Word of God, then you hate American history and its influence upon Americans.
Would you try and go back in time and tell the Baptists to stop using their King James Bible as the Word of God?
What better alternative do you have? You don’t believe in a perfect Bible that you can hold in your hands that has any authority.
You don’t believe any perfect Bible exists and it has been lost to time.
But Christians who simply just believe God’s words believe that God has preserved His words (just as the Christian men through history believed).
This is what you are truly fighting against.
You believe in the false teaching of Once Saved Always Saved. While OSAS is not exclusive to those who reject the Doctrines of Preservation and Inerrancy (Seeing there are KJB Only who believe in OSAS), I believe that both OSAS and Originals Onlyism have the same problem. They are both rejecting the authority of God’s Word to a certain degree. How so? Well, Once Saved Always Saved is basically saying you are saved and there is nothing that you can do that can make you unsaved. Meaning, you can sin and still be saved on some level. Yes, I know that there are many who think OSAS is only true if you live a holy life, but that still does not explain 1 John 1:9. If we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. How can you be forgiven of sin by confessing sin if you are Once Saved Always Saved? It makes no sense. 1 John 1:9 is in context to 1 John 2:1 that talks about how we are to “sin not” but if we do, we have an advocate that we can go to named Jesus Christ. So we obviously confess our sins to Jesus if we sin on rare occasion so that we can be forgiven of that sin. For if you sin, and you believe you are saved even while you sin, then you are turning God’s grace into a license for immorality (Jude 1:4). For if a believer looked upon a woman in lust and then immediately got hit by a bus and quickly died, they would not be saved. A believer has to confess of their sins to be forgiven of sin. So salvation is clearly conditional. God does not force you to be saved. Philippians 2:12 says work out your salvation with fear and trembling. But the OSAS crowd believes you can sin on some level and be saved (Which is contrary to tons of Scripture). Thus, they are rejecting God’s authority (i.e. His Word) to a degree.
The same is true with accepting the plain meaning of verses like Psalms 12:6-7, Proverbs 30:5, Isaiah 34:16, and Matthew 24:35, etcetera. One is rejecting the authority of these verses if one does not believe them. For combined together, we understand that there is an actual book of the Lord that we can read from and that the words of the Lord are pure, and that they will last forever. For believing these verses like a child and not as a person being hoodwinked by Modern Scholarship in what they say will simply lead one to conclude that there is a perfect Word of God somewhere on our planet that we can read from. I believe the best candidate is the King James Bible. The NIV over the years has the devil’s name in it where it does not belong. The NIV has false doctrine in it. The NIV removes and chops out tons of verses that are good. The NIV has errors in it. The NIV (New Testament portion) is based upon a Greek text that is influenced by Rome. The NIV (Old Testament portion) is based on a text by a German who was antisemitic. So the NIV is not the Word of God.
In other words, both OSAS and Originals Onlyism rejects the authority of God’s Word to a certain degree. For nobody likes to be under the authority of GOD but they want to be their own authority.
So are you saying you never sin or are you saying you are only saved if when you die you have no sin.
2 Tmothy 4:7-8;
Nowhere does the Bible say that a Christian in this life will ever be completely perfect—that is, free from all sin (1 John 1:8).
And if we I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8 Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing. re not free from sin, then how do we get to heaven
Paul is saying he is going to heaven.
It is Scripture.
Do you believe it?
He hasn't died yet.
He can still sin.
It seems you are twisting Scripture to suit your needs.
So are you saying you never sin or are you saying you are only saved if when you die you have no sin.
2 Tmothy 4:7-8;
Nowhere does the Bible say that a Christian in this life will ever be completely perfect—that is, free from all sin (1 John 1:8).
And if we I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8 Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing. re not free from sin, then how do we get to heaven
Paul is saying he is going to heaven.
It is Scripture.
Do you believe it?
He hasn't died yet.
He can still sin.
It seems you are twisting Scripture to suit your needs.
We all sin LOL some more than others and count on the forgiveness of Christ. Some think that belief in Christ is a license to sin.
Of course they do not like the word license. Repent of your sins and honestly pledge to not sin. Of course ya are. A lot of it has to do with and honest intent. But then you have those that live a sinful lifestyle and think that Christ is so naive that He will continue to forgive them. But Christ and Apostles will tell you that is not going to happen, and they keep warning Christians that will not happen and how sinful it is to even think that. They even tell you the sins that will prevent you from inheriting the Kingdom of Heaven.
Does it hurt if a person that lives their lives with very few sins, to believe in OSAS? It can. OSAS is a false belief. If they convince some one that came to Christianity that they do not have to change their sinful lifestyles and can go to heaven just because they believe in Christ and continue to lead those sinful lifestyles....they may have lead those people down a path to hell. Can they be accountable for that? That is up to Christ on Judgment Day.
Do you think that Heaven will be full of people like murders, child molesters, rapists, thieves, abortionists, cannibals and LGBTQ? Do you think that you could be at that that heavenly banquet and the guy on your left could be pouring ketchup on your arm because he wants to eat you? Could the guy behind you be picking your pocket? Could the guy on your right be bragging about the women he raped. Basically do you believe heaven will be where evil will go and God and good people will have to move out.
Along with OSAS is the belief that no one can be good, so there is no sense in trying.....that is Satan whispering in their ear.
Nothing is the Bible suggest that people should not try to be moral and lists the lifestyles that will prevent you from inheriting the kingdom of heaven.
2nd Corinthians :5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:21 “Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Hebrews 10:26-31 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
KOOLGrailhunter, as I wrote Rollo Tamasi, this thread is supposed to be about the use of a KJV update, not a discussion about the doctrine of OSAS. If you guys want to discuss that doctrine, how about starting another thread?
Obviously you guys never read John 10:34 before (with any kind of understanding). Look at it in the different translations at Biblehub or Biblegateway. They all basically implying that kings are gods in this verse. For Jesus is not saying they are divine beings or little Mormon gods where they have their own planet or something silly.
sorry, I get mixed up from time to time.Rollo, I don't know why you are responding to Bible Highlighter's post as he is clearly going "off the rails". The OP is about using a KJV update and he is discussing OSAS -- once saved always saved -- as though they are somehow connected. Your signature -- OSAS is a way of life, not a doctrine --
is correct; there should be no discussion about it, including in this thread.
Then he goes on later with "For believing these verses like a child and not as a person being hoodwinked by Modern Scholarship in what they say will simply lead one to conclude that there is a perfect Word of God somewhere on our planet that we can read from."
I seriously think that he is having some kind of breakdown, writing about OSAS then spewing nonsense about "believing these verses like a child and not as a person being hoodwinked by Modern Scholarship".
Perhaps the KJV has so confused his thinking that he has lost whatever sanity he had. My prayer is that he will recover and, with God's help, learn the truth.