Three days and three nights in the heart of the earth

[The PuP]

The arguments and points about how the sign of the three days three nights applies to the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus are moot and pointless because was made before Jesus BEGAN to teach them about it:

Mat 12:39 KJV But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

AND,

Mat 16:4 KJV A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

Mat 16:13 KJV When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

Mar 8:29-31 KJV 29 And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ. 30 And he charged them that they should tell no man of him.

31 And he BEGAN to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

Mat 16:21 KJV From that time forth BEGAN Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

Be Blessed
The PuP

 

[Webers_Home]

This timing supports a literal three days and three nights in the tomb before the resurrection.

A preponderance of textual evidence indicates Jesus' crucified dead body
was restored to life during the third day rather than after the third day was
over and done with. In other words, Jesus was deceased for quite a bit less
than 72 hours.

Matt 17:22-23
Matt 20:18-19
Mark 9:31
Luke 9:22
Luke 18:33
Luke 24:5-8
Luke 24:21-23
Luke 24:46
John 2:19
Acts 10:40
1Cor 15:4
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[shepherdsword]

A preponderance of textual evidence indicates Jesus' crucified dead body
was restored to life during the third day rather than after the third day was
over and done with. In other words, Jesus was deceased for quite a bit less
than 72 hours.

Matt 17:22-23
Matt 20:18-19
Mark 9:31
Luke 9:22
Luke 18:33
Luke 24:5-8
Luke 24:21-23
Luke 24:46
John 2:19
Acts 10:40
1Cor 15:4
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Whenever we read the Scriptures, it is vital that we keep in mind the principle that the explicit, direct teaching passages of the Bible must control our interpretation of passages that convey their teaching less directly and more implicitly.

The sign of Jonah explicitly states 3 full days and nights.

Mt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

 

[Webers_Home]

The sign of Jonah explicitly states 3 full days and nights.

Seeing as how there are eleven new testament verses that explicitly state
Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life during the third day rather
than after the third day was over and done with; then I think it is safe for
me to say the whale coughed up Jonah during the third day rather than after
the third day was over and done with.
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[shepherdsword]

Seeing as how there are eleven new testament verses that explicitly state
Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life during the third day rather
than after the third day was over and done with; then I think it is safe for
me to say the whale coughed up Jonah during the third day rather than after
the third day was over and done with.
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It's pointless to argue. We will never persuade each other. I take all of those verses to men that Jesus was raised after the 3rd day. Since that is in perfect harmony with the sign of Jonah being 3 days and 3 nights I think it's a safe bet. It also aligns with this:

Mk 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and AFTER three days rise again.

Mt 27:63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.

Another point to add:
AD 28 this date aligns with the 14th day of the Hebrew month of Aviv (Nisan), corresponding to the Passover, which fell on a Wednesday that year. This timing supports the interpretation of a literal three days and three nights in the tomb before the resurrection.
People have been arguing about it for centuries. I doubt the controversy will be settled here...lol

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I don't think you are realizing what my assertion is.

Friday the 3-4 hours was one day to them 1 day
Saturday the 24 hours was one day to them. 1 day + 1 night
Sunday from sunset Saturday until He rose was one day to them in determing time. 1 day

that makes 3 days. And you are missing 2 nights.

Jesus prophesied 3 days and 3 nights. Why do you suppose He said that? Could it have been to communicate that He would in fact rise after 3 days and 3 nights? Had He only said, "3 days", what you are suggesting could be true. It's like we'd say, "On the third day", no matter what time today it is, no matter what time it happens on the third day, we mean the day after tomorrow.

But this isn't that. Jesus was clear to specify that just like Jonah, it would be three days and three nights.

So I just take Jesus at His word, and it's all OK.

Much love!

I fully know what your assertion is. and I fully agree with your assertion. BUT Jews counted any ;part of a day as a full day- whether it is exactly correct or not. So part of Friday, all of Saturday and part of sunday was considered 3 full days in Jewish cultural conversations.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Or better still, read what it actually says! '... should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day {starting Thursday evening}, (for that sabbath day was an high {sabbath} day {not a weekly sabbath day, starting Friday evening)'.

Matthew 28:1 (LSV):

(1) After the Sabbaths, around dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to take a look at the burial site.​

Dawn on the first day of the week is Sunday morning, so if there were two sabbaths before that then it must have been the normal weekly sabbath and the high sabbath the day before (starting Thursday evening). That confirms that Jesus was crucified on the Thursday afternoon, and that Jesus' prophesy of Matthew 12:40 (WEB):

(40) For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.​

was fulfilled.

That would be an unfaithful rendering of the text.

Sabbath was the seventh day of the week. Sabbath started sundown Friday. And that particular Sabbath (friday sundown through Saturday sunset) was a high day (the Start of unleavened bread. But Hey do not take my word for it. Bring it to any English teacher and they will tell you that what is written says:

Because of the words in parentheses they are designating the sabbath day outside of the parentheses as a special day. It was just NOT an usual Sabbath but a high Sabbath for it started the feast of unleavened bread.

 

[Webers_Home]

Mk 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be
rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and
AFTER three days rise again.

Mt 27:63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three
days I will rise again.

To begin with, your verses are outnumbered 11÷2

Plus; the Greek word translated "after" is somewhat ambiguous. It can
indicate moments following the conclusion of an event, but it can also
indicate moments within an event. I suggest letting the 11÷2 majority
decide how best to interpret the intent of Matt 27:63 and Mark 8:31.
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[Fred J]

He was crucified on a Wednesday:
Late Wednesday: Jesus is crucified and buried.
Early Thursday (Passover) through Late Saturday (Sabbath): Jesus is in the tomb.
Friday (between the two Sabbaths): the women buy and prepare the spices.
Early Sunday: Jesus rises from the dead, and the women find the empty tomb.

There's no scripture quote to support your theory He's risen early Sunday, but only the tomb was found empty.

A new day starts in Israel at sunset, so Thursday night of 12 hours till dawn Jesus was in the heart of the earth.

Then 12 hours of day to sunset = 1 nigh & day in the heart of the earth.

Friday night of 12 hours and from dawn 12 hours of day to sunset = 2 night & day in the heart of the earth.

Saturday night of 12 hours and from dawn 12 hours of day to sunset = 3 night & day in the heart of the earth.

After sunset Sunday night Jesus rose from the dead completing 3 nights & 3 days or 3 days & 3 nights.

Sunday at dawn merely the tomb was found empty, with no Christ inside or outside, but just 2 angels inside who've said,

"Why seek the living among the dead?"

Apparently Jesus was already up and about beginning of Sunday night and among the living already.

It's just the West church fathers and tradition got mixed up the risen Sunday calendar, as their's at dawn and Israel's at sunset.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord

 

[keithr]

Sabbath was the seventh day of the week. Sabbath started sundown Friday.

The first and seventh days of Passover are sabbath days (high sabbaths). If one of those falls on the seventh day of the week then the other cannot possibly fall on seventh day of the week. Only the normal weekly sabbath always falls on seventh day of the week, the high sabbaths can fall on any day of the week, so you are wrong to assume and insist that it is referring to the seventh day of the week.

Because of the words in parentheses they are designating the sabbath day outside of the parentheses as a special day. It was just NOT an usual Sabbath but a high Sabbath for it started the feast of unleavened bread.

It could also be interpreted as saying that the upcoming sabbath day was a high sabbath day, rather than the weekly sabbath day, i.e. you shouldn't assume that the two sabbath days (one a high sabbath, the other a normal weekly sabbath day) fall on the same day. The fact that it is pointing out that the day about to start was a high sabbath day is an indication that it might not be a Friday. Remember Matthew 28:1 says "the sabbaths" - sabbaths, plural. If the high sabbath fell on the same day as the weekly sabbath then there would only have been one sabbath day (single, not plural).

 

[The PuP]

Just keep on ignoring the scripture which says that Jesus spoke about the sign of Jonas before he began to teach them, and
Keep on ignoring the many scriptures that say that Jesus ate the Passover meal with his disciples (on the same night that he was betrayed),
And you will never get to the truth of the matter.
The matter is further complicated by misgivings of what John meant when he used the phrase, "preparation of the passover".

The biggest thing that people miss is the fact that Jesus was brought before Pilate three times on the day of his crucifixion. The first time was before day break. [John 18] The second was after dawn and the meeting of the high council. And the third was after Jesus was sent to Herod (Luke 23:6-15].

On the 2nd and 3rd occasions, it was inside the judgment hall. The first one was not (John 18:28-29). Pilate (on the first occasion) came out to them (Jesus and the Jews)... because they would not go into the judgment hall, lest they be defiled from eating the passover. The common misconception is that they might eat the passover when it [supposedly] arrived the next day. But when we look at Luke's account (and John's) we find that they brought Jesus into the judgment hall. For Pilate even says "I have examined him before you and find no fault with him", Luke 23:14.

Have you put the pieces together? They didn't go until the judgment hall the first time, because it was before dawn, when the passover must be eaten. But they did go into the judgment hall on the 2nd and 3rd occasions because the time for eating the passover meal had passed. It was still the same day (which begins at evening). Defilement was no longer an issue [even though the passover meal was (SUPPOSEDLY) still yet in the future... tomorrow! ]
The phrase "preparation of the passover " doesn't mean the day before, it means the day of the passover. For John used the same phrase of the daylight hours.

I won't go into a long discourse, but it is from Exodus 12 (et al) that we learn that the passover meal and the feast of unleavened bread, begin at the same time... on the 14th day of the month at evening, ala, the beginning of the 15th day of the month.

Be Blessed
The PuP

 

[marks]

Actually, Saturday sunset to Sunday sunrise is one night, not one day. So that makes two days and two nights ; it's missing a day and a night.

What a silly mistake!! Thank you for pointing that out!!

If Jesus died on the Thursday rather than the Friday, then it makes the prophesied three days and three nights.

That's what I think.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

Expanding on this, where was the Spirit of Christ for the time His body was dead.
Christ did actually die, he went the way of all flesh in death.
What do you believe?

12 Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. 14 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire; 15 His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters; 16 He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength. 17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying [i]to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of [j]Hades and of Death.

He was at work my friend . Through death HE overcame HE who had the power of death .
He had to take on flesh , HE came to fulllfill all righteousness and sinned not even once
He then took the sins of the world upon Him so that all who do beleive in HIM could be saved from death
and recieve eternal life .
And though this generation calls him but a man , but a prophet
HIMS WAS FAR MORE THAN THAT .
HE was in the beginning and All things were made by HIM . HE IS THE WORD OF GOD and GOD IS HIS WORD .
He conquered death and HE who had the power over it .
But unto all who beleive in the interfaith lie that all paths lead to GOD , beleiving other religoins serve the same GOD we do
and give out false hope , THEY GONNA BURN DOUBLE BAD , for they USED HIS NAME , My goodness
THEY USED the name of JESUS to TROD HIM UNDER FOOT . scott that is darn scary . so my advice
about interfaith which I KNOW is of anti christ , remains the same,
HAVE NO PART IN IT , WITH IT , Be no co helper to that which TRODS THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS under foot .
For what does LIGHT have in common WITH DARKNESS , and let all who name the name of CHRIST
depart from inquity . SUre hope that encourages you my friend .
I dont support , nor should any of us support in any way , any shape , any fashion
THAT which TRODS CHRIST RIGHT UNDER FOOT and plays as though one does not have TO BELEIVE ON HIM
as does INTERFAITH INTERRELIGIOUS dilagoue . DONT even bid such men god speed
Have no part in it and rather expose its fat inclusive road .

 

[Scott Downey]

I have read all the theories online about 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth, and find them all lacking something, in my own mind, nothing really fits with our thinking of days and nights.

I still believe Jesus was killed on Friday afternoon and raised Sunday morning, according to our calendar and thinking of what defines a day and a night.

From my thoughts, I will put this out here.
To the Jews a day begins with nightfall when it gets dark, the sun goes down, our day begins at 12:01 AM. Theirs might begin at sunset, like 7-9 pm

The key is don't think of a standard 24 hour period to define these 3 days and 3 nights.
The way I am thinking is we can get an extra day.

The day he was crucified, later on it got completely dark over all the land, this was an end of the prior day called Friday, He died then at the end of Friday as the darkness came ( we are between day 1 and day 2).
We get the first day and first night. So, a partial day-night period, a shortened day.

As in on Friday on Cross at noon, dies in afternoon it gets super dark at His death signaling the beginning of the next day, another shortened Friday.

We now get an extra day.

The sun shines again for a few hours and they bury Him in the tomb the '2nd day' which is really part of the first day as we would think of it in our time.

The second day now has begun, and he is buried at the beginning of the sabbath day at night, you know, before midnight, what we call Friday evening.

The 3rd day is the Sabbath.
Sabbath begins Friday around 7-9 pm
Sabbath day, third day ends with the sun come up
Jesus rises very early on the third day according to our way of thinking, but when he rises it is at the end of the Sabbath day according to Jewish thinking of days.

In the early morning of the first day of the week He rises. This is Sunday morning
The Sunday DAY, third day, begins at what we call Saturday night and ends with the sun coming up.

That would account for 3 days and 3 nights.
And He rises on the third day, Sunday morning.


Jesus Dies on the Cross
45 Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”

47 Some of those who stood there, when they heard that, said, “This Man is calling for Elijah!” 48 Immediately one of them ran and took a sponge, filled it with sour wine and put it on a reed, and offered it to Him to drink.

49 The rest said, “Let Him alone; let us see if Elijah will come to save Him.”

50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.

 

[Scott Downey]

Here is evidence of God defining a day without the sun.
Genesis 1
3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. [b]So the evening and the morning were the first day.

The day is defined as a period of light and darkness. Nothing to do with the sunlight

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The first and seventh days of Passover are sabbath days (high sabbaths). If one of those falls on the seventh day of the week then the other cannot possibly fall on seventh day of the week. Only the normal weekly sabbath always falls on seventh day of the week, the high sabbaths can fall on any day of the week, so you are wrong to assume and insist that it is referring to the seventh day of the week.


It could also be interpreted as saying that the upcoming sabbath day was a high sabbath day, rather than the weekly sabbath day, i.e. you shouldn't assume that the two sabbath days (one a high sabbath, the other a normal weekly sabbath day) fall on the same day. The fact that it is pointing out that the day about to start was a high sabbath day is an indication that it might not be a Friday. Remember Matthew 28:1 says "the sabbaths" - sabbaths, plural. If the high sabbath fell on the same day as the weekly sabbath then there would only have been one sabbath day (single, not plural).

You need to learn that Passove (the whole feast) is 8 days which includes the feast of unleavened bread so if Passover is Friday it is also the preparation day and that Sabbath or Saturday following Passover would be a high Sabbath.

Jesus died on Passover as He was the lamb of God killed to remove sins.

No it cannot be interpreted that way. It can be reinterpreted that way but that is disingenuous. The contstruct of the sentence cannot allow for your opinion. It is that simple. There is no interpreting this, just accepting what is written.

 

[Marvelloustime]

He was at work my friend . Through death HE overcame HE who had the power of death .
He had to take on flesh , HE came to fulllfill all righteousness and sinned not even once
He then took the sins of the world upon Him so that all who do beleive in HIM could be saved from death
and recieve eternal life .
And though this generation calls him but a man , but a prophet
HIMS WAS FAR MORE THAN THAT .
HE was in the beginning and All things were made by HIM . HE IS THE WORD OF GOD and GOD IS HIS WORD .
He conquered death and HE who had the power over it .
But unto all who beleive in the interfaith lie that all paths lead to GOD , beleiving other religoins serve the same GOD we do
and give out false hope , THEY GONNA BURN DOUBLE BAD , for they USED HIS NAME , My goodness
THEY USED the name of JESUS to TROD HIM UNDER FOOT . scott that is darn scary . so my advice
about interfaith which I KNOW is of anti christ , remains the same,
HAVE NO PART IN IT , WITH IT , Be no co helper to that which TRODS THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS under foot .
For what does LIGHT have in common WITH DARKNESS , and let all who name the name of CHRIST
depart from inquity . SUre hope that encourages you my friend .
I dont support , nor should any of us support in any way , any shape , any fashion
THAT which TRODS CHRIST RIGHT UNDER FOOT and plays as though one does not have TO BELEIVE ON HIM
as does INTERFAITH INTERRELIGIOUS dilagoue . DONT even bid such men god speed
Have no part in it and rather expose its fat inclusive road .

@amigo de christo