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Three Earth Ages!

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  1. Christina

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    QUOTE (watchman @ Feb 11 2009, 12:40 PM)
    So rather than answering my question you claim that this forum is for questions not debates? Hmmm that is very curious response to a valid question? Why were the Sun, moon, and stars not created until 4 days into the ''recreation''? That doesn't strike you as at least a little bit odd?
    I am not avoiding your question it has nothing to do with this topic the first earth age ended before Gen 1:3 started its between gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2 Gen 1:3 starts this current earth age we in now ..the third age starts when God destroys the World and heavens and makes a new heaven and earth what you are asking has zero to do with a first earth age ... Stay on topic pleaselink describing what the first age is http://www.christianityboard.com/index.php?showtopic=9140
     
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    QUOTE (Christina @ Feb 11 2009, 04:03 PM)
    I am not avoiding your question it has nothing to do with this topic the first earth age ended before Gen 1:3 started its between gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2 Gen 1:3 starts this current earth age we in now ..the third age starts when God destroys the World and heavens and makes a new heaven and earth what you are asking has zero to do with a first earth age ... Stay on topic pleaselink describing what the first age is http://www.christianityboard.com/index.php?showtopic=9140
    You may not be avoiding the question but you have not answered it. It is a valid question, to which the person asking the question deserves an answer and the person claiming to have knowledge of the so called first earth should be able to answer.Why was the Sun, moon, and stars not created until the 4th day of the ''recreation''? Did they not exist at all during the earth's first age?
     
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    QUOTE (watchman @ Feb 11 2009, 01:56 PM)
    You may not be avoiding the question but you have not answered it. It is a valid question, to which the person asking the question deserves an answer and the person claiming to have knowledge of the so called first earth should be able to answer.Why was the Sun, moon, and stars not created until the 4th day of the ''recreation''? Did they not exist at all during the earth's first age?
    You are not hearing me the heavens and the earth were destroyed in the first earth age thats what 2 Peter3 says and why its not Noahs flood this earth age we are in now starts at Gen 1:3 the fourth day of this earth age doesnt have a thing to do with first earth age or the third earth age read the link I gave you
     
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    QUOTE (watchman @ Feb 11 2009, 04:18 PM)
    #1 There is no reason to believe 2nd Peter 3:6 is not talking about Noah's flood, #2 This verse says nothing about the heavens being destroyed at all it says the earth was flooded and that is all it says. Now it does go on to say that the heavens as well as the earth will be destroyed but that has yet to happen. So my question must now be, are you incapable of answering why God waited until the 4th day of a recreated earth before He made the Sun, moon, and stars? and if you have no answer for that question shouldn't you rethink your opinion on the subject?I read the link it was filled with unbiblical opinion and human error.
    Watchman, do what I told you in the PM, read the my threads and posts on this topic before you continue arguing about it.
     
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    QUOTE (tim_from_pa @ Nov 1 2008, 03:19 AM)
    The first one existed in Genesis 1:1 and between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 there was a cataclysm. In this first age Satan rules on the throne of this earth. (My mother, a godly woman, always told me that some people believed this)
    Your godly mother was right and Scripture proves that.Isaiah 14:12-21 12 “ How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! 13 For you have said in your heart: ‘ I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.’ 15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit. 16 “ Those who see you will gaze at you, And consider you, saying: ‘ Is this the man who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms, 17 Who made the world as a wilderness And destroyed its cities, Who did not open the house of his prisoners?’ 18 “ All the kings of the nations, All of them, sleep in glory, Everyone in his own house; 19 But you are cast out of your grave Like an abominable branch, Thrust through with a sword, Who go down to the stones of the pit, Like a corpse trodden underfoot. 20 You will not be joined with them in burial, Because you have destroyed your land And slain your people. The brood of evildoers shall never be named. 21 Prepare slaughter for his children Because of the iniquity of their fathers, Lest they rise up and possess the land, And fill the face of the world with cities.”QUOTE (tim_from_pa @ Nov 1 2008, 03:19 AM) [url="index.php?act=findpost&pid=62385][/url]
    Then the second age is what people erroneously call "creation": which is really recreation, i.e. Adam told to "replenish" the earth which presupposes there was life beforehand. Adam was told to be the master on the throne of the earth (Genesis 1:26) to which Satan was jealous (see the end of my message about the details of this).
    Yes this is what Scripture calls the “creation” and it took place in six days and the seven day God rested. But this “age story” is misleading as the Word of God it literally speaking about the earth. In Genesis 1:1 “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” God literally created the earth and the time frame is unknown to us. And as your Godly mother said satan, then called Lucifer was “king of the world” as he had a throne, he had excess to the heaven as there are Scriptures which proves that, but then he rebelled against God and he was thrown out of heaven and he become satan. This is when the earth become void [tohu va bohu]QUOTE (tim_from_pa @ Nov 1 2008, 03:19 AM)
    The third age is Revelation's New heaven and new Earth. This earth will pass away with fervent heat and there will be the White throne Judgment (this is after the Millennium). The Millennium represents the Sabbath, the number seven, and the new earth age is the "eighth" day or new beginnings.
    Yes, there is a time coming when God is going to change this earth and there will be a new Heaven and a new Earth and this also is going to be literally and not just some kind of an age.
     
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    And what would you call it ????????????????? How do you distingish what your are talking about without calling it something ... seems you are nit picking something of little importance ....The fact is there was a time before Gen 1:3 and our current creation (re-creation) we have simply applied a name "AGE" to it for clarity and understanding this is not uncommon terminolgy. dont really understand your complaint
     
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    I have to agree with Christina right now, could you please elaborate. It sounds very much like you've seen what the Word has to say. However, for some reason you don't like the term Earth Age? I'm just confused.
     
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    QUOTE (Denver @ Apr 3 2009, 07:50 PM)
    I have to agree with Christina right now, could you please elaborate. It sounds very much like you've seen what the Word has to say. However, for some reason you don't like the term Earth Age? I'm just confused.
    I am going to add quotes from the thread “First Earth Age” between Christine, Jordan and myself. At first I made the mistake to think that we are talking about the same thing but I discover that we were not. Now under the main forum under “Christian Bible Scholarship Forum Subforums” there was a form about this “ages” but that since disappeared and this thread which was part of it end up under “Christian Bible Scholarship Forum” and there was a thread in which it became clear that the 3 of us do not talk about the same thing And as I proved with Scripture, the earth was destroyed, but not by God but by satan there is obviously a difference between what I believe that the earth was created in the beginning as read in Genesis 1:1 and destroyed before Genesis 1:2 – 3 and what Christiana and Jordan believe that there was a first earth age which was destroyed by God but the earth itself was not destroyed. And that I do believe is not ScripturalQUOTE (Christina @ Nov 3 2008, 02:50 AM)
    God destroyed this age because of Satan's rebellion.This is called the Katabole in Greek
    QUOTE (bethog @ Apr 2 2009, 11:55 PM)
    I do believe that there was a creation before the six days creation and the seven day which God rested. You call it “the first earth age” but it does not matter what we call it as long as we know what we are talking about. . . . . . In other words I disagree on "that God destroyed the earth or as she called it "the first earth age"
    QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 3 2009, 12:28 AM)
    Bethog are you reading Christina's post(s) correctly. She is not saying God destroys the planet Earth. She is only saying God destroys an age.
    QUOTE (Christina @ Apr 3 2009, 05:41 AM)
    If I may weigh in here sense you two are debating my post Jordan is corret I never said that the earth was destroyed
     
  9. Pariah

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    [size="4]No. There was no first earth age. Reread the scripture again. It addresses the living of whom are witnesses of how Satan has caused wars upon the earth. If the kings sleep in glory, where is it that some may remember of them if it be of the first earth age? If there is no remembrance of the first earth age, then where is their glory? And yet, the scriptures goes on to judgment on the present living. One cannot refer to that which no witnesses exist of. One cannot heed warning and the coming judgment if they did not understand the reference was before their existence as mankind. One has to stop reading scriptures with these views of the first earth age and lean on the wisdom of God to see how God can jump around time references and events in making a point to the present living of creation that has knowledge of it due to ancestral history by which there was no history for them to refer to before their existence if referring to the "first earth age".[/size]
    No again. The definition of void back in King James era in their dictionary has it to mean "empty" and not just "to empty" as modern dictionary has it today. Mankind dropped the full definition of void in time.Same goes for replenish.
     
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    1 Peter 2:Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, 2As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: 3If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.Hebrews 5: 12For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.This discourse is set on a debate and argumentative course while implying that this is meat for the believers and yet by the scriptures, true meat is for discerning and reproving the works of darkness in comparison to the Light of Christ and the Gospel of grace.The present meat of this forum has it for those falling away from the faith in Pentecostalism and Charismatic as its false teachings are creeping into every denomenation and yet instead of providing meat in due season, you focus on that which is a fable and edifies us not in the knowledge of Jesus Christ in this perilous times we are living in.If you believe God and His Word, then do consider that when He spoke and said let the lights in the heavens govern the earth by night and the sun by day, then that means the speed of light does not apply here for determining the age of the earth for He made the source of those lights and filled in the gap of those lights to govern the earth that day and that night. Do you believe that or not? Did the withered hand take six months to heal or did Jesus did it right then and there? Was the leper cleansed in six months time or did he not thank him that day? Just as we cannot us the medical time for healing to determine how fast Jesus healed the sick, the blind, and the lame, then neither can we use science time to determine how old the earth really is. We have only His words to rely on.If you want to get all scientific about God's creation, then study Pleochroic halos as Polonium 218 is a daughter element of uranium and yet polonium halos have been found in mica and flourite without any evidence of parents, meaning that it was primordial, present in the original granite from the very beginning. Since halos cannot exist because of their extremely short half lives as Plonium 318 has a half life of three minutes, then creation was sudden and complete for the poloniumn would have decayed into other elements long ago if it took millions of years for rock formations to be cooled. Thus due to the evidence of the instantaneous crystallization of the host basement rocks of the earth concurring with formation of polonium radiohalos, this speaks eloquently of instantaneous creation. Melink, Jim, The Case of Polonium Radiohalos, Student For Origins Research, Santa Barbara, California, Vol. 5, No. 1, 1982, pp-4-5.So while science are still investigating, know that God's word is right, and you need not lean on scientific assumptions, waiting for science to get it right when God's words are true.What this forum's main strength should be in... is warning every believer to not suffer a thief to break through. It should not be about fables that edify us not in the knowledge of Him to enable us to have armour in this perilous times we are living in.In other words, there should be no special forum for this teaching of the First Earth Age or the Serpent's Seed because that falls under this category by the scriptures.2 Timothy 4:1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.Satan has succeeded in distracting you and this forum but now, I pray God will cause the increase by the scriptures, for you have been charged to not bury the talent of the meat you have been given to warn all the churches as the falling away of the faith is happening now. Put that meat in this place of the First Earth Age folder. The soltight should be on fighting the good fight which is keeping the faith... not "hidden" knowledge of fables that edify us not in the knowledge of Him so we can stand against the wiles of the devil in this "present age".1 Corinthians 15: 33Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. 34Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame. Titus 3:5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. 8This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. 9But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. 10A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; 11Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.2 Corinthians 11: 1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.Colossians 1:27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: 29Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.
     
  11. Christina

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    Though I agree 100% with the spirit of your post I disagree with your conclusions you may deem this fables but Gods Word says otherwise just because you have never been taught this doesnt deem it untrue ...It is as much the meat as anything else though understanding it may not directly effect on salvation the fact is you can not completley understand the End without understanding the begining, the Whole of Gods Plan is laid out before us he has foretold us all things ... He spent several verses telling us of these things for a reason ...If you dont want to know that reason your choice, but we will not stop teaching it for those who want to see and hear ..Jeremiah 4:22 - For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. Jeremiah 4:23 - I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. Jeremiah 4:24 - I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. Jeremiah 4:25 - I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. When do you think this happened and do not say Noahs flood as there was birds and men and the heavens never fled Jeremiah 4:26 - I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. Jeremiah 4:27 - For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. Revelation 12:3-17 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. These stars are fallen Angels that rebelled in the first earth age Satan drew a third part of Father's children in the first earth age to follow him because Satan wanted to be worshiped. This is very reason we have a flesh age a curent age I find this important That each soul of their own free will could chose whether they will love and will follow their father or the fake .... Its why we are in flesh ..its why God foreknows us II Peter 3:6 - Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: II Peter 3:7 - But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. This is not speaking of Noahs flood this was a mystery/secret told by Peter noahs flood was never secret and it never destroyed the heavens II Peter 3:8 - But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. Gods time is not our time .... So say what you will but there was a first age it is where God foreknew us from .... It is why Satan was rebelling from the beginning of this age ..Its why science says the earth is old .. God never said the earth was 6000 years old all we can do is count from Adam til now as 6000 years ... because men decided to say its 6000 years old doesnt make it so and God says differntSo for many of the reasons you said we must teach his Word as he gave it ...
     
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    On top of what Christina said in her post, we have this scripture of why we can say God foreknew His children.Jeremiah 1:5 - Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.Blessings!
     
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    And yet you are willing to believe that because of the sin of Lucifer, death came on the world before Adam?
    This is a reference to the beginning. You do not start at the beginning of heaven and earth by skipping an age. May the Lord help you discern this: if there was a former earth age wiped out by a flood, then why would the lights from the heavens and the Sun cease for that purpose for God to create the heavens "again"? As much as Genesis 1:2 has been mistaken to mean that, little does it explain the continuance of God in "re"creating the earth AND the heavens while at the same time of God giving the reference towards the very first day as confirming the reference of "In the beginning.."Genesis 1:2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.This is God's first act of creation in regards to the earth. God creating light to divide the darkness and calling it good.So by reading in with the flow of God's words, the earth cannot become without form and void for there to be a first earth age before the very first day. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth so that when He established the lights in the heavens, the celestial bodies were already there from the very first day for the light to come from them to govern the earth by night and the Sun by day on the fourth day.Genesis 1:14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.And God said that to happen the fourth day. He did not say for that to happen again. God is giving account of the days of creation: not recreation. Each day God called His acts of creation as good. It does not imply that the earth became good and thus before, the earth was evil as if anything existing outside of God was present before good came since God is good and there is none else.
    Thus all of this act of creation leading up to the fall, as the scriptures are to testify of Jesus Christ, there is no point to the First Earth Age being before Adam. There is no point for sin and death being in the world before Adam for that would mean he was not responsible for bringing death into the world because of sin in which all of creation suffered for it.Romans 5:8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. 12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.The fable of the First Earth Age takes away the glory of God through Jesus Christ of how life by Him can come whereas by one man, sin and death came over all. There would be no point but shame for life to be before Adam.
    May the Lord help you to really read that verse. God would not create it in vain, but the First Earth Age teaching would imply that He did as it was wiped entirely out before Adam.
    Best keep it in context:2 Peter 3:3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.Notice the the statement any mocker would make to the reference to man's lineage in verse 4. The ignorance was due to their reference of their history to the beginning of creation by ignoring the judgment that had come on ungodly men in regards to the Flood of Noah, which by that same word kept the Flood of Noah from ever happening again, and yet there is a coming judgment on ungodly men again by the same word, but by fire. It is for this.. that reference.... that mockers would be making which they are being purposefully ignorant of in being ungodly when they ought to know by the scriptures of the judgment on ungodly men that fell on them of the Flood in Noah's time.There can be no point in referencing that which has nothing to do with them in regards to the First earth age.
    Included are the verses 15 to 21 for clarity so that when the Lord made reference to the time before His singular act in creation which was light, He would find the fruitful places of His creation a wilderness where all the birds have fled and all the cities of man broken down where no man was and yet they were to be caretakers of the earth, all because of war as in the evil committed by His children. His point of reference in verse 23 which was before His singular act in creation of light was to show the responsibility for the evil His children had committed by war that caused the mountains to tremble and the hills to move lightly by the sounds of war where the Lord beheld no man dwelling in broken down cities and the birds having fled even from the wilderness. The Lord goes on to issue a judgment on His children: This is not a reference to the First Earth Age since God is addressing Israel for warring.Jeremiah 4: 1If thou wilt return, O Israel, saith the LORD, return unto me: and if thou wilt put away thine abominations out of my sight, then shalt thou not remove. 2And thou shalt swear, The LORD liveth, in truth, in judgment, and in righteousness; and the nations shall bless themselves in him, and in him shall they glory. 3For thus saith the LORD to the men of Judah and Jerusalem, Break up your fallow ground, and sow not among thorns..28For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it. 29The whole city shall flee for the noise of the horsemen and bowmen; they shall go into thickets, and climb up upon the rocks: every city shall be forsaken, and not a man dwell therein. 30And when thou art spoiled, what wilt thou do? Though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting, in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; thy lovers will despise thee, they will seek thy life. 31For I have heard a voice as of a woman in travail, and the anguish as of her that bringeth forth her first child, the voice of the daughter of Zion, that bewaileth herself, that spreadeth her hands, saying, Woe is me now! for my soul is wearied because of murderers.Let us consider the ramification of verse 28. If the Lord has purposed it, and will not repent, neother will He turn back from it, then it can never be a reference to the first earth age. God is saying that He will not continue to bring prosperity and providence in the face of war that continues to be detrimental to His will in creation. In other words, those that war shall reap the fruits of their war till they stop being murderers. Even the fruits of their spoil will only make them targets as verse 30 declares. So He permits the destruction of war to have its way for the earth to mourn and the heavens be black as one can only imagine smoke rising from the cities being broken down due to the vandalism of war. God is calling Israel back from sowing among thorns.This reference below... Jeremiah 4: 28For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it. 29The whole city shall flee for the noise of the horsemen and bowmen; they shall go into thickets, and climb up upon the rocks: every city shall be forsaken, and not a man dwell therein. ...pretty much debunks pulling those references out of context in this quote below because then there would be no "Let there be light.." if Jeremiah 28 is a declaration of God doing it for the first earth age and not permitting it because of war that Israel was engaging in.
    Keeping scriptures in context to understand the meaning of God's words is important. The below verses are again in regards to ungodly men of which the first judgment that they ought to know of is how the heavens rained and the whole earth was flooded in Noah's time as it is written for man to know and for us to know now. Yet mockers are walking after their own lusts in spite of evidence of the Flood in nature with whale bones and other fossilized marine life on mountaintops everywhere in the world.
    So verse 8 is a call for believers to watch and be ready, not following after ungodly men. It is not a reference to the days of creation being longer than what it is written as... there was morning and evening the first day and each day afterwards.By the Word of God, there can be no first earth age before the very first day nor inbetween His seven days of creation.
     
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    The whole of God's plan is the glory of Jesus Christ as scriptures are to testify of Him. The whole point of the scriptures is to lead them to God through Jesus Christ. John 5:39-40Labourers in the word are to present the believers as a chaste bride to Christ by the meat provided by the word for that purpose in reproving the works of darkness.There is no need for a first earth age if no witnesses of that era can attest to and be forewarned. Eight souls survived Noahs' flood as there are over 200 myths of the Flood stories in other cultures for any man to be ignorant of. The ancient Chinese pictograph for boat consists of three symbols... eight, mouths, vessel. Adam brought death into the world because of his sin; not Lucifer's. This central point centers around the hope in Christ as He has victory over death and sin to be dealt with permanently for our sake.. nobody's else, thus there is no point to the first earth age.God would not create the earth to be inhabitted in vain, thus wiping everything out in the first earth age by a flood would be vain and contrary to God's word.One cannot say that it was Lucifers' creation that was wiped out because John 1:1-3 says nothing else was made outside of Him. >>>>>Jeremiah 4th chapter has already been addressed to a recent post to Jordan.
     
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    Belive what you like but its not Gods Word ... Its mens .... Until you are really interested in hearing God over men this is a pointless dicussion.. That confines Gods Word and his power to the small human mind ... .Your so busy putting your own intrrptation on what we are showing to you. You can not see past your flesh mind ...You will see when he comes he foreknew you and there was a 1st age before ... You say totally irrevent things in your argument we never said ..its just your human ideas an conclusions .. because you close your ears and eyes ...
     
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    2 Timothy 4: 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. What fables are in these last days that are drawing believers away from the truth? Note the verses above. It did not say away from the faith, but away from the truth. None that you know of? Then how do you not know if the First Earth Age and the Serpent Seed doctrine are not them?Do not satanist believe in the first earth age? Would this not strengthen them in their lies?What is it about angels mingling with mankind does not sound like "gods" mingling with mankind as in Greek mythology and the Norse mythology? How can it not be seen as of man?May God cause the increase.
     
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    Because Gods Word says so and if you would get out of mens ideas you would see it but I have the same message for you as you have posted for us the difference is all you can do is make these ridiculous accusations and try to tell us what we should teach /discuss ..........We follow a higher power than Pariah I can prove you wrong in scripture all day you all you can do is deny what is said. so suit yourself but if either of us are following fables its you and your mens traditions and fables and lies thats why there is a famine in world because its filled with your mens false doctrines and fables an lies... We maybe in the minority with our teaching but at least we arent adding to flood of lies ...If the majority of men were right God wouldnt call it a famine for his truth and would allow a delusion to come ... If you knew mythology at all you would know it teaches what you believe not what we believe so just another of your empty accusations as the lies men teach came from Egyptain fables ...How do explain seeing the light of stars from millions of years ago ? or perhaps the speed of light is wrong also ??? Or you have some mystical non answer about God thats not wriitten just some speculation made up to deny you just dont know the truth.. Men just keep compounding lie upon lie ignore fact after fact to stay in their little traditions ...be my guest .... Im not going to continue this it serves no purpose
     
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