Tithe

[Fred J]

Born again and discipled in the All Scripture = Holy Bible readers,

May GOD the FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ bless you with all Heavenly promise that have been promised for you, the 'seed' of Abraham according to the New Covenant/Agreement/Testament.

First of all, seek ye the Kingdom of GOD and HIS righteousness which is relative to 2Timothy3:16&17, as also GOD said that without knowledge HIS people perish.

This tread is about 'iron sharpens iron', and may come with correction in order to be encouraged and not discouraged since is from GOD and HIS Word for the people HE love.

Let's begin, as we perceive in the spirit, before the Law of Moses came, sin was not recorded, while 'tithe' begin with Cain and Abel 'naturally' or 'by wisdom given from above'.

Therefore when the Law came from Moses to the israelites, sin began to be recorded in Heaven and for judgement.

While at the same time, daily temporray sacrifices were implemented inn order to be forgiven and cleanse from all unrighteousness for that one day and night only.

And by Apostle Paul who's 'zeal' in study and pratice to all in the Law, even under Gamilleel the top teacher and mentor, we learn he did struggle with sin daily, even claiming to be miserable. (Romans ch.7)

Only by the Holky Ghost and the Law of Christ, we now have as the New Testament in the Holy Bible, set him free, from once desire and passion of the flesh, now to excel forth in the bodily born again spirit. (Romans ch.8)

As how he also exclaim to the church, by the Law the sin and curse that comes with it, and if one fail to comply even to break the least in the letter is under curse.

At the same time, if anyone want to practice one letter in the Law, is compulsory also one must practice all that is in the Law.

Therefore good news for the born again church, is that the Law of Moses is abolished from them and they've been given and made with the Law of Christ and Holy Ghost as per the New Testament.

Which has set them free from and it's bondage, henceforth remain free now as 'doers' and 'abiders' in the teaching of Christ from the Gospel according to Matthew to the Revelation according to John.

Now the question is, why the church implementing and reminding believers about their 'tithes', besides on the other hand also about their offering in other areas?

Never the Apostles of the New Testament the church is built in, mentioned about 'tithes, but rather 'cheerful giving' and 'generous offering', and in Acts believers sold half of their properties for offerings.

Remember from John the Baptist to those who think they're worthy of repentance, for one, have two give one to a needy brethren.

On that day Jesus also pointed out to His disciples about 'tithing' or 'offering' in the Temple, where many gave out of their abundance, while a widow gave all that she had, 2 coins.

'Tithes' is a letter pertaining to the Law of Moses, practice one to the letter must practice all, violate even to the least in the letter one is under curse.

This is as according to Apostle Paul to the Gentile city church of Galatians, since they were 'bewitched' by a sneaked in Jews about 'circumcission'.

Please listen and pay attention to the foundation of the Apostles in the New Testament we're built upon, therefore we repent and not get shocked 'on that day'.

When and where the Lord reject servants who claim to have labored in His name, as to never knew them, and to depart from Him workers of 'lawlessness' or 'iniquity'.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Nancy]

These modern "churches" have fleeced the flock for centuries. They convinced the congregations that they must give 10 percent of there income. I have sat under this error for most of my life; until I really studied this on my own. The tithe was meant only for the Levite priests in the OT, under the law. This was always in produce or livestock, always in food. The Levites were not supposed to own land, so they could not grow their own food and the Tithe was made for that and giving to the poor. So, it is obvious that the tithe for Christians is a teaching of men. They teach both Law and grace at the same time. So, since the Levitical priesthood was done away with when Jesus became our forever High Priest.
Num. 18:21
Num 18:24
Deut. 14:22, 23-26

Yes, as of the last 10 or 15 years many of them switched out the word "tithe" for "offerings", like that changes anything?
So we see in scripture that the tithe was ONLY for food and for the Levite priests as, they were not allowed by God to own land. It is NEVER money. And, any money that was collected for alms or offerings was to go to widows, orphans and those in need. It was never meant to give pastors a 6 or 7 figure income! Pastoring is NOT supposed to be a "career" as Jesus told His disciples "freely you have received, freely give."

Yes, those who pastor and teach, especially those who travel to different cities, are to be given their food and shelter, but this manmade tithing is so wrong. And we now have celebrity pastors raking it in. They have their personal planes, very rich mansions, expensive cars and so much more than their congregants have. It's like they are rock stars, and their followers heap them up to tickle their ears and tell them what they want to hear, and they are idolized!
They also use pressure, guilt and fear to steal from the folks and it has been going on for probably hundreds and hundreds of years. And way too many Christians do not search the scriptures but, just believe the well dressed guy in the pulpit.

Pal said "if you do not work, you do not eat" And he meant himself also. 2 Thess. 3:7-10.

Our offerings are to be given in gladness, not under compulsion. 2 Cor. 9:7

The church has been infiltrated by the enemy from it's inception. In so many ways.

Lord open the eyes of those willing to see, amen!

 

[Fred J]

Thank you dear Nancy, let's pray in union with those agree with this matter for GOD in the name of Lord Jesus Christ 'open' their minds.

Even to our founding forefathers who gave their lives just so that every church peasants must study the Holy Bible for themselves.

Since unjustlly the governing church was preventing and controling, cherry picking scriptures to promise and amuse the middle class dukes and dutchess who gets to hear them.

At the same time, completely neglect the lower class peasants from all Spiritual blessings and enslave them on the other hand for one's gain.

Merely a 'folly' repetition of what the leaders of Israel did to GOD's people Israel, where GOD poured out all HIS frustration in regards to Prophet Ezekiel.

And HE promised to Prophet Ezekiel that there will come a day where HE HIMSELF will personally Shepherd HIS lambs and sheep.

For that day came when God Jesus chose 12 of them and perosanally disciple them, and to bring the same with God Holy Ghost furthermore founding the churches, henceforth with them until the ends of the earth.

Therefore believers, why do you unwisely need men leaders like in the Old Testament who's lacking oneself, to teach and decide for you the Holy Bible?

When you have GOD the FATHER, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost you've been saved and baptized with, to teach you personally, and likewise fellowship with those who have been?

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Fred J]

Apparently this is Bible Study Forum.

And am discussing topics pertaining to the Holy Bible scriptures and sound doctrine knowledge within, according to the wisdom given me.

What do you mean by moving my posted thread or discussion to another appropriate forum, when this forun fits them fine?

Is it that a new management has taken over, hence are shuffling and changing things, when they've been fine?

 

[markalan]

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'Tithes' is a letter pertaining to the Law of Moses, practice one to the letter must practice all, violate even to the least in the letter one is under curse.

Giving a tenth of ones income to the work of the Lord is not practicing the Law of Moses ... it is fulfilling the NT command to give. One can give more, but I do not know why a person on a regular income would give less,

 

[Fred J]

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Giving a tenth of ones income to the work of the Lord is not practicing the Law of Moses ... it is fulfilling the NT command to give.

Give us the 'verse' to support your claim as above, that giving a tenth from one's income fulfills the NT command to give?

Give us too an account in the NT, that a believer in Christ gave tenth of their income?

Readers,

Please be aware of the 'twisted' version of the wannabe many teachers in the Kingdom itself, cautioned by James in NT.

When one's claim is not 'tangible' to the context of the scripture and it's sound doctrine, is plain 'heresy'.and pleases only the 'itching ears'.

Let's listen and pay attention to what the Holy Ghost our 'Helper' and 'Comforter' bring to our remembrance what Jesus the Word of GOD says, whether OT or NT.

"Tithes' is apparently is a 'letter' in the Law of Moses, likewise the same 'letter' is used in the born again church, often reminding believers of their 'tithes' without fail. (and the Law of Christ in the NT mention 'none').

Likewise, giving 'a tenth' from the produces that the 11 tribes reap from their given land, are too 'letters' relatively in the Law of Moses.

And the same 'letter' is implemented in the born again church, 'a tenth' from their monthly income. (and the Law of Christ in the NT. mentioned 'none').

Then comes secondary 'givings' in other areas of church buildings and ministries, as 'offerings', to how much a believer can give.

Jesus even 'rebuked' the leaders of Israel and the people they've led as examples, calling them 'brood of vipers' and 'hypocrites'.

Furthermore to conclude overall, even 'a tenth' in giving, "You blind guides, which strain out a small fly, and swallow a camel."

One can give more, but I do not know why a person on a regular income would give less,

This is were your further remarks goes from 'twisted' to 'twisties' as snacks for 'itching ears', no thank you.

Even Jesus to Apostle Paul, did not treat lightly these 'blind guide leaders of Israel' and also the 'sneaked in Jews' who 'bewitched' the church.

'Rebuke' and 'correction' is part of love for one's neighbour as well as Jesus the Master Himself demonstrated, rather than 'flattery' for one's ruin.

Wisdom from above teaches us that, a true friend is one who corrects you, besides a flattery one who is not, a fake and probably have hidden agendas.

And above all is written,' GOD corrects the ones HE loves', even 'chastising' them as well, and for the judgement fo GOD begins in the household of the Lord.

So please be wise and not unwise because 'iron sharpens iron', and shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[markalan]

Give us the 'verse' to support your claim as above, that giving a tenth from one's income fulfills the NT command give?

Give us too an account in the NT, that a believer in Christ gave tenth of their income?

Readers,

Please be aware of the 'twisted' version of the wannabe many teachers in the Kingdom itself, cautioned by James in NT.

When one's claim is not 'tangible' to the context of the scripture and it's sound doctrine, is plain 'heresy'.and pleases only the 'itching ears'.

Let's listen and pay attention to what the Holy Ghost our 'Helper' and 'Comforter' bring to our remembrance what Jesus is the Word of GOD, whether OT or NT.

"Tithes' is apparently is a 'letter' in the Law of Moses, likewise the same 'letter' is used in the born again church, often reminding believers of their 'tithes' without fail. (and the Law of Christ in the NT mention 'none').

Likewise, giving 'a tenth' from the produces that the 11 tribes reap from their given land are too 'letter' relatively in the Law of Moses.

And the same 'letter' is implemented in the born again church, 'a tenth' from their monthly income. (and the Law of Christ in the NT. mentioned 'none').

Then comes secondary 'givings' in other areas of church buildings and ministries, as 'offerings', to how much a believer can give.

Jesus even 'rebuked' the leaders of Israel and the people they've led as examples, calling them 'brood of vipers' and 'hypocrites'.

Furthermore to conclude overall, even 'a tenth' in giving, "You blind guides, which strain out a small fly, and swallow a camel."

This is were your further remarks goes from 'twisted' to 'twisties' as snacks for 'itching ears', no thank you.

Even Jesus to Apostle Paul, did not treat these 'blind guide leaders of Israel' and the 'bewitching sneaked in Jews' lightly, and this is also love shown to them relatively.

Wisdom from above teaches us that, a true friend corrects you, but a flattery one is not, a fake with hidden agendas.

And above all, GOD corrects the ones HE loves, even chastising them as well, and the judgement starts in the household of the Lord.

So please be wise and not unwise because 'iron sharpens iron', and shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ.

If you want to influence anyone, you would do well to reconsider the tone of your comments.

 

[Fred J]

If you want to influence anyone, you would do well to reconsider the tone of your comments.

This is Bible Study Forum, and your 'false claim' like someone 'twisting' the scripture and it's sound doctrine, is enough to infuence innocent lambs of Christ to astray and fall under curse.

You'll get the very same 'tone' if the Lord and the Apostles were around, even Apostle Paul cautioned that, if anyone preach another Gospel let him be 'accursed'.

Therefore 'tone down' yourself , since it's also written that, those who 'twist' the scripture and it's sound doctrine, does it to their own destruction.

Even Peter got 'rebuked' by Jesus, "Get thee behind Me satan." (just for thinking like everyone else, rather than standing by what is foretold by the scriptures)

Have nothing against you, but just your twisted version claim and believe of another gospel which is 'misleading' and a 'curse'.

Thank you.

 

[Fred J]

Brethren,

Would want to share another delema that is happening in the church am attending dedicated to John Wesley, Methodist church.

John Wesley gave his life for Christ and His flocks, even to get persecuted, who's goal even a plougher will be discipled by the Holy Bible.

This apparently comes inline with what GOD promised through Prophet Ezekiel and Himself Shepherds HIS lambs and sheep in the New Testament to churches.

But seems like history has repeated itself, similar to the Old Testament incompetent men have taken leadership of the church and discipling the flocks their interpretation and dogma.

As a result many 'itching ears' have become disciples and grown, where themselves incompetent and not discipled by GOD Himself in the first place.

Therefore they're unable to distinguish between Kingdom right from wrong and furthermore spiritually know anyone by their fruit

Apparently on the other hand being backwards, they'll only able to judge by appearance and not by Kingdom righteousness, like their church leaders themselves.

i testify this with a heavy heart, attending churches founded in the honor of Protestant and Reforners fathers is just by the appearance, by spiritual discernment.

But on the inside, it's backwards as according to the Gospel, full of 'filth', 'stength' and 'bones', haven't progressed from flesh to blood as promised in salvation.

Lack of Kingdom knowledge and wisdom, and spiritual discernment, satan and one's flesh cum heart able to lie and deceive to be backwards, lukewarm and compramising.

Worst off, if satan disguises himself as an angel of Light and his ministers are as servants of righteousness, just imagine disguised spirts are capable to be in these churches?

As during service they may claim, that GOD, or the Lord, or the Holy Ghost's presence is in their midst, but apparently can be false, and the enemy in disguise rather there.

For it is written, 'Without knowledge MY people perish."

The knowledge of the Kingdom must be in context, and not out of context, compromiseable and result to lawlessness, therefore also perishable.

To be continued....

 

[Fred J]

Brethren,

Please allow me to 'expose' how the enemy, satan and our flesh which is opposed to the Holy Ghost's will(Galatians ch.5), both against the Kingdom of GOD.

And able to lie, deceive, and mislead us to think the presence of GOD, but on the contraray the mentioned enemies above are the ones apparently 'manifesting'.

Will begin with a leader of the church lately who shared where believers mentioned, that 'tithes' was of the OT and not in the NT to be implemented in church.

So he responded with a scripture from the Gospel itself, justifying that Jesus Himself implementing 'tithes' in the NT, and was dumbfounded for a moment thinking i was wrong as well.

Matthew 23:
23. ............................................................................: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

And surely this will come in conflict with what Apostle Paul ministered to the church that the OT Law have been 'abolished' and non applicable to them.

Therefore, did the Holy Ghost lead the pastor, or 'both' enemies mentioned as scripture, including due to lack of knowledge, in disguised lied and decieved through him?

For the context of the scriptures, and it's sound doctrine, and the Holy Ghost representing it and the Kingdom will clarify and justify for us.

And help us to likewise distinguish between the 'spirit of error' and 'spirit of truth' within ourselves and in the church gathering, as to recognize them by their fruit.

First of all, will be brief and according to the wisdom given me from above, pertaining to the context of the scripture and it's sound doctrine in regards this matter.

To begin with, in the beginning of the Gospel since the Law and the Prophets have not been 'fulfilled' yet by Jesus Christ, it was still 'active' and 'at work' on the Lord and Israelites.

Didn't Himself say that 'not a dot or a comma' shall be removed from the 'Law', nor anyone should stop teaching them and stop doing them, until they are 'fulfilled'?

And that was His respond to them leaders of Israel(not disciples) since the Law was still in effect, as per Mat. ch. 23:23, since not yet been 'fulfilled'.

For they are not to neglect what they've been complying with all along, but that which they've neglected He've corrected, they should've done in the first place.

That's why Israel and their leaders comply the Law to the 'letter', while in context neglect it's requirements, which Jesus performed both and even more unimaginable to 'fulfill'.

Having them all unfinished placed upon Him and the cruses comes with it, where Israel and the rest of the world neglect and unable to fulfil.

Finally, Himself was severely wounded, bruised and nailed on the Cross for it, and before His final breath, Himself declared, "It is finished."

He surrendered His spirit and died, there was an earthquake, the 'veil' into the Most Holy Place 'tore' into two, and the dead from their graves came alive.

This apparently a very clear 'picture' that the Law and the Prophets have been 'fulfilled', and since 'abolished', even though 'Spiritual' but the flesh was weak.

Moreover all truly born again from above, and of water, and the Holy Ghsot, in faith died and buried themselves from once in the flesh, with it's passions and desires, now with Christ.

And likewise in faith, they've ressurected with Christ a new creature/creation in the spirit bodily, to desire henceforth the things of the Holy Ghost and Kingdom of GOD.

Now the Law of Christ in the New Testament in context and in sound doctrine, with the Holy Ghost our Helper and Comforter, is our calling moving forward in the spirit.

To conclude, witness for yourselves how scriptures and it's sound doctrine can be 'twisted' and at the same time 'applausable' to the unlearned and unstable.

"On that day', as Jesus Himself prophesied beforehand, 'many' ministers or pastors, mentors and teachers to His lambs and sheep in His absense, to have laboured in His name, shall be 'rejected'.

As workers of 'lawlessness' or 'iniquity', and is due to not discipled in context of the scriptures and it's sound doctrine, resulting to 'lack in knowledge' of the Kingdom and representing.

Furthermore as 'mentor' and 'teacher', lack oneself even as a 'doer' and 'abider' in all of them, therefore apparently 'fall short' as workers of 'lawlessness' or 'iniquity' in a Kingdom.

 

[Fred J]

Brethren,

We born again Gentiles one with the born again Jews 'equal', have been set free from the Law, it's bondage and curse, and now given and made the New Testament.

Even the 'sneaked in Jews' as to Apostle Paul, lied and deceitfully convinced the Gentile church to circumcize like them according to the Law.

This enraged born again Paul himself who's now called by the Gospel which is 'gain' from 'loss' by the Law, bondage and curse once he's skilled in.

"Enraged', because he's learned and perceive well about the Law and requirements, and the curses that comes with it, when even to the 'least' is not met.

Therefore just imagine 'tithes' and 'a tenth from one's income', are letters pertaining to the Law, is back in the church in his absence, therefore, is he repeatedly 'rolling over' in his grave?

Nope, his ministry is done and he's asleep waiting like others for the 'first resurrection', where the Lord shall bring them home.

It's all written down in context and is a testament and a foundation for all born again church to be built upon after them, therefore supposedly learned and wiser.

On the other hand, the churches have since become dens for thieves and robbers to hide, expanding and divided in denominations.

Am also accountable since am to workout my own salvation in fear and trembling, but am a fellow servant fellowshiping in the Word
that exposes false from truth.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Fred J]

Since they're also fellow servants but lacking knowledge, let's pray and fast that GOD help remove the 'veil' that hinders them.

Every born again are to be discipled according to 2Timothy3:16&17 and baptized, therefore by the 'gifts' of the Holy Ghost, that the man of GOD may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[PS95]

Personally, I have never attended a church that taught mandatory tithing.
I do know of Christians who say they want to tithe (10%). I've discussed it with them and while they don't see it as required, they do see it as a gauge of what a good number is to give. .I can't argue with that. As long as they know it is not obligatory- they can give any amount they so choose. Two different churches I attended had a box in the back with a sign saying, "tithes and offerings". Neither church taught tithing as necessary. I asked about it at one of those churches, and was told that some believer's prefer to tithe. So - whatever- as long as people are not being told they are not saved if they don't give a certain amount.
I though this explanation was very interesting- (give unto Caesar- give unto God?)

Because Israel was a theocracy, the Levitical priests acted as the civil government. So the Levite’s tithe (Leviticus 27:30-33) was a precursor to today’s income tax, as was a second annual tithe required by God to fund a national festival (Deuteronomy 14:22-29). Smaller taxes were also imposed on the people by the law (Leviticus 19:9-10; Exodus 23:10-11). So the total giving required of the Israelites was not 10 percent, but well over 20 percent. All that money was used to operate the nation.

All giving apart from that required to run the government was purely voluntary (cf. Exodus 25:2; 1 Chronicles 29:9). Each person gave whatever was in his heart to give; no percentage or amount was specified.

New Testament believers are never commanded to tithe. Matthew 22:15-22 and Romans 13:1-7 tell us about the only required giving in the church age, which is the paying of taxes to the government. Interestingly enough, we in America presently pay between 20 and 30 percent of our income to the government–a figure very similar to the requirement under the theocracy of Israel.

The guideline for our giving to God and His work is found in 2 Corinthians 9:6-7: “Now this I say, he who sows sparingly shall also reap sparingly; and he who sows bountifully shall also reap bountifully. Let each one do just as he has purposed in his heart; not grudgingly or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver.”
John MacArthur-

 

[Fred J]

Two different churches I attended had a box in the back with a sign saying, "tithes and offerings". Neither church taught tithing as necessary. I asked about it at one of those churches, and was told that some believer's prefer to tithe.

Galatians 3:
10. For as many as are of the works of the Law are under curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the Law to do them.
11. But that no man is justified by the Law in the sight of GOD, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12. And the Law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the Law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Galatians 5:
3. For I testify again to every man that is circumcissed(or tithing), that he is a debtor to do the whole Law.
4. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the Law; ye are fallen from grace.

James 2:
10. For whosoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet offend in one point(even tithing), he is guilty of all.

Brethren,

Please be wise and not be deceived, for only the 'unlearned' and 'unstable' tend to 'twist' the scriptures and it's sound doctrine.

Apparently it's the 'folly' of a believer likewise unlearned and unstable, since undiscipled throroughly according to 2Timothy3:16&17, undisciple by GOD HIMSELF as promised.

Moreover allowing church or church leaders to decide and compromise for oneself, which is a 'lukewarm' and go by another compromising gospel church.

That's why many of such believers fall in sickness and other curses even to death, ignorantly practicing things pertaining to the Law of Moses and partly Law of Christ in the NT.

If Apostle Paul can become 'enraged' just over the matter of 'circumcission', a letter in the Law itself, where the deceived Gentiles were about to comply, therefore what about 'tithing/tithes', 'a tenth from one's income', in the same Law??

Surely 'enraged' as well the Holy Ghost of GOD representing Jesus Christ is with us today, and for such 'ignorat' born again believers are no longer under grace.

But rather under curse of the Law and the wrath of GOD. (pratice one must practice all, fail in one fail all and under curse)

When apparently in these last days, HE already given and made through HIS Son Jesus Christ, grace and truth, and a new covenant as promised.

We're saved, by grace and through faith, and not of ourselves, it's the gift of GOD, not of works, lest any man should boast.

First the Jews, born and lived the Law and the Prophets their lives, and by them the Gentiles, born and lived with some things pertaining to the Law in their conscience.

I though this explanation was very interesting- (give unto Caesar- give unto God?)

Does this have anything to do with tithes or tithing, a tenth from one's produce or income as to the Law of Moses which is the topic?

Since U.S. dollars have the pictures of U.S. Presidents according to their terms, therefore give back what belongs to the President and government residing today.

So what would you give unto GOD, a tenth or more from what belongs to Ceaser or Presidents and governments of today?

Does HE need '$' from us or this world, when even to pay His together with the disciples' taxes, He cooly brought out a coin from a fish He instructed them to immediately catch?

(Of all the fishes in the water, the first one they caught had the coin sufficient enough to pay their due taxes and to shut the mouth of this world and thinking and ways)

Give unto GOD as it is written, "But seek ye first the Kingdom of GOD, and HIS righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." (2Timothy3:16&17)

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

 

[PS95]

Galatians 3:
10. For as many as are of the works of the Law are under curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the Law to do them.
11. But that no man is justified by the Law in the sight of GOD, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12. And the Law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the Law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Galatians 5:
3. For I testify again to every man that is circumcissed(or tithing), that he is a debtor to do the whole Law.
4. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the Law; ye are fallen from grace.

James 2:
10. For whosoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet offend in one point(even tithing), he is guilty of all.

Brethren,

Please be wise and not be deceived, for only the 'unlearned' and 'unstable' tend to 'twist' the scriptures and it's sound doctrine.

Apparently it's the 'folly' of a believer likewise unlearned and unstable, since undiscipled throroughly according to 2Timothy3:16&17, undisciple by GOD HIMSELF as promised.

Moreover allowing church or church leaders to decide and compromise for oneself, which is a 'lukewarm' and go by another compromising gospel church.

That's why many of such believers fall in sickness and other curses even to death, ignorantly practicing things pertaining to the Law of Moses and partly Law of Christ in the NT.

If Apostle Paul can become 'enraged' just over the matter of 'circumcission', a letter in the Law itself, where the deceived Gentiles were about to comply, therefore what about 'tithing/tithes', 'a tenth from one's income', in the same Law??

Surely 'enraged' as well the Holy Ghost of GOD representing Jesus Christ is with us today, and for such 'ignorat' born again believers are no longer under grace.

But rather under curse of the Law and the wrath of GOD. (pratice one must practice all, fail in one fail all and under curse)

When apparently in these last days, HE already given and made through HIS Son Jesus Christ, grace and truth, and a new covenant as promised.

We're saved, by grace and through faith, and not of ourselves, it's the gift of GOD, not of works, lest any man should boast.

First the Jews, born and lived the Law and the Prophets their lives, and by them the Gentiles, born and lived with some things pertaining to the Law in their conscience.

Does this have anything to do with tithes or tithing, a tenth from one's produce or income as to the Law of Moses which is the topic?

Since U.S. dollars have the pictures of U.S. Presidents according to their terms, therefore give back what belongs to the President and government residing today.

So what would you give unto GOD, a tenth or more from what belongs to Ceaser or Presidents and governments of today?

Does HE need '$' from us or this world, when even to pay His together with the disciples' taxes, He cooly brought out a coin from a fish He instructed them to immediately catch?

(Of all the fishes in the water, the first one they caught had the coin sufficient enough to pay their due taxes and to shut the mouth of this world and thinking and ways)

Give unto GOD as it is written, "But seek ye first the Kingdom of GOD, and HIS righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." (2Timothy3:16&17)

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

I'm not sure that you read what I posted carefully enough. They are not tithing under compulsion. They know they are not under the law. re-read what I wrote please. :)

I am not following your comment on MacArthur's explanation. He opposes tithing. I found it interesting is all. Sheesh.

 

[Fred J]

Please be wise spiritually and not unwisely still in the flesh carnally and the pattern of this world.

In our NT dogma pertaining to faith salvation workout and narrow path journey to GOD's house, HIS Word is the 'Lamp' unto our 'Feet' and 'Light' unto our 'Path' in finishing the race.

Now the Holy Ghost just brought to my attention furthermore He's enraged about, that some think am not 'tithing' like falsely others, but go by 'generous offerings' and 'cheerful giving' as to my NT faith.

But He said that's not true, 'many' being 'lukewarm' on the other hand, only 'give' out of their 'abundance'. (Luke 21:3&4), (am also included)

Matthew 23:
24. Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

(There are true believers out there who gave all or half of what they had for the Kingdom of GOD, lest we even want to be proud or boastful within ourselves, but rather be gloomy and sad of our 'stagnant' baby faith and works.)

2 Corinthians 7:
10. For GODly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

Philippines 2:
12. Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Apostle Paul is an 'instrument' of Lord Jesus Christ, just imagine who's addressing based on the above and other verses in the NT?

 

[Fred J]

I'm not sure that you read what I posted carefully enough.

Likewise you're doing the same and not getting the point the scripture and it's sound doctrine authority and the Holy Ghost is making.

They are not tithing under compulsion. They know they are not under the law. re-read what I wrote please. :)

No compromise but only a 'lukewarm' church 'does' thinking there're wise than the foundation set, and the Master has travelled to a far away country.

But 'tithing' a letter pertaining to the Law of Moses and is also 'implemated' to those under grace, nothing to do with compulsion or non-complusion.

I am not following your comment on MacArthur's explanation. He opposes tithing. I found it interesting is all. Sheesh.

Who's MacAthur or me or other to teach and explain, when we lambs and sheep in the first place supposedly disciple by GOD HIMSELF according to 2Timothy3:16&17?

i've witnessed MacArthur's sermons, and am able to recognize him by the fruit, that he's also lacking in many important things pertaining to All Scripture=Holy Bible, even NT faith and works.

As discipled lambs and sheep we're called to distinguish between the 'spirit of truth' and 'spirit of error' according to NT faith and works.

 

[Fred J]

Today we lambs and sheep likewise are disciples or discipled in the foundation of the Prophets of the OT and the Apostles of the NT.

That is by what we have 'at hand', All Scripture and it's sound doctrine = Holy Bible, since born again lambs to sheep with personally disciple by FATHER, SON and the Holy Ghost. (2Timothy3:16&17)

As Jesus then and now we have personally the Holy Ghost representing Him, the same teaching that if one is truly 'born from above', he is able to 'see' the Kingdom of GOD.

Where will we be able to 'see' the Kingdom of GOD even today, isn't it in the All Scripture=Holy Bible and it's sound doctrine, disciple from lambs to sheep?

This also fulfills the commission Jesus imparted to the Apostles from the beginning, make disciples of all nations, and then only baptize them.

Once they're baptized in the name of the FATHER, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, then continue teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: (Matthew 28:19&20)

Jesus did discipled them and commissioned them, but He had to leave so that the Holy Ghost can come and take over to impart more teaching to the 'body of Christ/Church'.

We're able to 'see' individually as lambs and sheep, these teaching from the book of Acts to the book of Revelation and as the established 'body of Christ/Church in 'togetherness' and 'oneness'.

Therefore anyone claim to be a man of GOD in the form of leaders, elders, or one from another nation visits, even one from the church itself, minister to us from the same Holy Bible for one?

We supposedly discipled personally by GOD HIMSELF as lambs and sheep believers, apparently 'know' them by their fruit, or able to distinguish in them whether the 'spirit of truth' or 'spirit of error'.

Remember from the OT Prophets, GOD HIMSELF promised HE'll personally Shepherd HIS lambs and sheep, make a new covenant with them, and no longer under 'hired shepherd' anymore?

And the 'Good Sheoherd' God the Son, GOD the FATHER sent, came and discipled personally HIS lambs and sheep, and us today imparted with the Holy Ghost likewise, individually disciple us the Holy Bible.

Only the 'unlearned', 'unstable' and moreover with 'itching ears', entrust themselves to be disciple by man ministers, 'unable' to 'know' them by their fruit' nor to distinguish between the 'spirit of truth' and 'spirit of error'.

They unknowingly are 'gifted' servants and their sermons are out of context and explanation in short for the day, apparently from the Holy Ghost as 'a reminder' and 'stir up of memeory'.

But already 'discipled' personally by GOD believers to the context of the scripture and it's sound doctrine, able to 'discren' and 'perceive' in full whether was 'tangible' with All Scripture=Holy Bible.

For example, in the NT, there's no mention of 'tithes' and 'a tenth' as offering at all, but rather apparently these are a letter or letters pertaining to the Law of Moses that has been 'abolished'.

Now, am i to be GOD pleaser or men pleaser?

 

[PS95]

Likewise you're doing the same and not getting the point the scripture and it's sound doctrine authority and the Holy Ghost is making.

No compromise but only a 'lukewarm' church 'does' thinking there're wise than the foundation set, and the Master has travelled to a far away country.

But 'tithing' a letter pertaining to the Law of Moses and is also 'implemated' to those under grace, nothing to do with compulsion or non-complusion.

Who's MacAthur or me or other to teach and explain, when we lambs and sheep in the first place supposedly disciple by GOD HIMSELF according to 2Timothy3:16&17?

i've witnessed MacArthur's sermons, and am able to recognize him by the fruit, that he's also lacking in many important things pertaining to All Scripture=Holy Bible, even NT faith and works.

As discipled lambs and sheep we're called to distinguish between the 'spirit of truth' and 'spirit of error' according to NT faith and works.

NOWHERE did I say tithing is needed! I oppose it! What is the matter with you? I said- SOME people like to give 10% to the church- SO WHAT? IF they are doing that voluntarily- not under compulsion and not under law- why is that a problem for you? Are you serious?


AND about MacArthur- where did I say I agree with him on everything? I said it was INTERESTING.
If you are here to attack believers who reply to your posts without even hearing what they are saying- I have no time for your posts.

 

[Fred J]

NOWHERE did I say tithing is needed!

Fine, fair enough!

I oppose it!

Ok, fair enough!

What is the matter with you?

Likewise what's the matter with you, fuming?

Probably you've been 'convicted' and are 'guilty' by certain points given in my reply.

I said- SOME people like to give 10% to the church- SO WHAT?

Well it's your own 'opinion' and probably from teaching for doctrine the commandments of men made tradition, that's what!

As the 'fruit' in reppresentation, you're opposed to 'tithes' but you're unopposed and support it's fine about 10% not under compulsion giviing to the church!

Quote where in the New Testament, from Jesus to the Apostles and to the established true churches, practiced and justified 10% of giving is fine?

True bron again and discipled in the Holy Bible brethren,

Becoming a child of GOD and in the Kingdom of GOD and in the spiritual marriage according to the new covenant, are you going to go along with the 'hypocrites' and 'brood of vipers' Jesus exposed, likewise give 10% again?

Apparently you'll fall short under the same quote, "Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel."

In the book of Acts, believers sold 'half' of their properties and gave to the Apostles.

And Apostle Paul called the churches to be ready with their offerings for collection, and he encouraged them to give their best, 'generuos offering' and to be 'cheerful givers'.

These 'terms' are relative to, every ready to give at anytime and with 'no measure', and 'no longer' in the 'flesh' monthly 10% giving which strained at a 'gnat'!

Even it began with John the Baptist preparing the way for Jesus to come, "You have two, give one away, ................"

As i was repeatedly saying, merely 'letters'(even 10%) pertaining to the Law of Moses, and today 'imposters' and 'counterfeits' among us have clothe to cover it as 'voluntarily-not under compulsion and not under law giving'.

Matthew 15:
14. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into ditch.

IF they are doing that voluntarily- not under compulsion and not under law- why is that a problem for you? Are you serious?

Are you being serious yourself right now?

It's a problem for the Kingdom of GOD where 'innocent' lambs are led 'astray and fall under curse, which you're ignorant as babes in Christ yourself.

AND about MacArthur- where did I say I agree with him on everything? I said it was INTERESTING.

Suite yourself!

If you are here to attack believers who reply to your posts without even hearing what they are saying- I have no time for your posts.

You're the one 'attacking', probably as i said, 'convicted' and 'guilty', and that's what the leaders of Israel did to Jesus, even to call Him 'demonized'.

You've nothing constructive to bring to the table, sort of he said or she said, since a 'lukewarm', neither 'hot' or 'cold' believer, have nothing in common to have a decent fellowship.

No thank you, am not here to please 'bullies' and 'itching ears', compromising the foundation of the Prophets and Apostles am discipled and built in.