"True" Israel?

[brightfame52]

We know that the Church with the addition of the gentiles called, is Israel because God Identifies the call of the Gentiles as Israel Acts 15:16-17

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

Notice " and all the Gentiles" upon whom my name is called". This could be rendered:

Upon whom my name is called - Who are called by my name, or who are regarded as my people.

Now who or what People are regarded as Gods People ? Ps 81:8

Hear, O my people, and I will testify unto thee: O Israel, if thou wilt hearken unto me;

Isa 1:3

The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master's crib: but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider.

Jer 7:12

But go ye now unto my place which was in Shiloh, where I set my name at the first, and see what I did to it for the wickedness of my people Israel.

Jer 23:12

And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied in Baal, and caused my people Israel to err.

Who was the Prophet referring to hear as Gods People

2 Chron 7:14

If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Is not this a reference to Israel ? And so Israel and the Name of God are synonymous.

Jesus who is God is referred to as Israel in this prophecy Isa 49:3

3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

So the calling of the gentiles as Gods People Rom 9:25

As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

Paul writing to the gentile church in Corinth wrote of them as believers 2 Cor 6:16

And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

So the Gentile Church is part of Israel, Gods chosen People, Called by His Name ! 14

 

[brightfame52]

We know the Church, the Body of Christ is Israel because, Israel is Identified as the Children of God and so is the Church.

Paul when writing to the Romans in Chapter 9 vs 6-8 He identifies Israel as the children of God, observe

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

So one of the Israels in vs six is being Identified as not being the Children of God, meaning the other one is, correct ?

And Paul writing to the same Church Identifies gentile believers as being the Children of God,

Rom 8:16,21

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

referring to the gentiles in Rom 9:26

And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

In Galatians, Paul writing to jew and gentile believers, the Church Gal 3:26

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

1 Jn 3:10

In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother

 

[Dan Clarkston]

"True" Israel?

The descendants of Abraham (commonly referred to as the Jews) are the true Israel according to the flesh and they are beloved of the Father (Romans 11:28), while Christians are spiritual Jews who have been grafted in:

Romans 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in
the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Romans 9:3
For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to
the flesh

Romans 9:1-5
I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to
the flesh:
Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the
giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God
blessed for ever. Amen.

Israel to the Father are a type of prodigal son (Luke 15:11-32) and they are beloved for the Father's sake (Romans 11:28) and those to speak against them to further push them away from accepting Jesus as their Lord and Savior are drawing God's wrath upon themselves as this is sinful behavior and is walking after the flesh and not after the leading of the Holy Spirit.

Christians should be provoking the Jews to jealousy causing them to come get born again and be grafted back in again as they stop living in unbelief:

Romans 11:13-22
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of
them. For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be,
but life from the dead?
For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among
them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee,
goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

 

[brightfame52]

The New Covenant made with the House of Israel as Per Jer 31:33

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

This finds its fulfillment in Jesus Christ the Head of His Body the Church Heb 12:4

And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Eph 5:23

For the husband is the head of the wife, even as[Jesus] Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

The Head of the Church is the Mediator of the New Covenant, so the New Covenant Promises to Israel are fulfilled to the Church which He is the Head and Mediator of ! 14

 

[Dan Clarkston]

The New Covenant made with the House of Israel as Per Jer 31:33

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

This finds its fulfillment in Jesus Christ the Head of His Body the Church Heb 12:4

And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Eph 5:23

For the husband is the head of the wife, even as[Jesus] Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

The Head of the Church is the Mediator of the New Covenant, so the New Covenant Promises to Israel are fulfilled to the Church which He is the Head and Mediator of ! 14

Romans 11:13-22
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of
them. For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be,
but life from the dead?
For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among
them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee,
goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Yet another scripture that conclusively proves OSAS is false doctrine

 

[brightfame52]

God will take away the sins of Israel !

Rom 11:26-27

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

This Promise to Gods chosen People Israel has been fulfilled by the Mediator of the New Covenant, and the Head of the Body His Church. When Jesus came to earth and died for the sins of His People, both jew and gentile chosen people in Christ, He took away their sins

1 Jn 3:5

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

Jesus death is the fulfillment of Rom 11:27 in taking away the sins of Israel. Are we to look again for some future time when God shal take away the sins of Israel ? It wasn't enough when Christ came and took away sins this first time ? Does Christ need to die again to take away the sins of ethnic israel only ? What covenant would that be ? Because 1 Jn 3:5 is according to the New Covenant, confirmed by Christs death Matt 26:28

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Now didn't His Blood do what the OT sacrifices under the couldn't do which was take away sin ? Heb 10:4,11

For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

The Israel that the New Covenant has taken away their sins through Christ, is a Israel made up of all ethnic groups throughout the world Jn 1:29

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

The world here in Jn 1:29 is the Israel in Rom 11:27

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

 

[brightfame52]

We know the Church, the Body of Christ is Israel because the Body of Christ is or the Children of God, which also is Israel. Writing to the Romans in Chapter 8:16

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

This is both jew and gentile believers with the Spirit in them testifying within them that they are the children of God.

Now in Rom 9 Paul in contrasting two Israels identifies one of them as being the children of God apart from the other 9:6-8

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Now who cant see that the Children of God in this context refers to one of the Israel's in Vs 6

Then in Jn 11 we have the children of God being identified as Israel, Jn 11:50-52

50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.

51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

These are the same children of God in Rom 8:16 which is the Church, the Body of Christ, them with the Spirit of God in them Rom 8:14-17

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

And if the Children of God they are also heirs. The same heirs that pertain to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob Heb 11:8-9

8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: 14

 

[brightfame52]

The New Testament makes it crystal clear that the New Covenant Promises to Covenant Israel in the Old Testament are being fulfilled, not replaced by the New Covenant Church, the Body of Christ on this side of the Cross, which ratified, confirmed the New Covenant, which Christ the Covenant Head of His Body the Church is its Mediator.

Eph 2:11-16

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

The One Body here is equivalent to the one commonwealth of Israel in Vs 12

For instance, the word commonwealth politeia in Vs 12 means:

1. the administration of civil affairs
2. a state or commonwealth
3. citizenship, the rights of a citizen
4. Society

The word body/ sōma in Vs 16 means:

is used of a (large or small) number of men closely united into one society, or family as it were; a social, ethical, mystical body

So the commonwealth of Israel is comprised of both jews and gentiles, thats the revelation of the Mystery,

The Mystery was that Gentiles are Part of the commonwealth of Israel, and so the New Covenant promises to Covenant Israel are fulfilled in the NT Church which includes Gentiles.

 

[Taken]

"True" Israel?

A progression… For particular men, who, do, can …
Change…
In context: In Brief;

1)True Israel…
Offspring (STOCK), From Abraham and Sarah…. Generational STOCK (Abraham’s Sperm seed) descendants.

2)True Israel…
Generational Abraham / Sarah STOCK BELIEVING descendants.

3)True Israel…
Generational Abraham/Sarah STOCK BELIEVING COMMITTED (word/vow), descendants.

4) True Israel…
Generational Abraham/Sarah STOCK BELIEVING COMMITTED descendant having Received Gods Seed.

Gentiles, Offered Inclusion, in Gods Blessing of eternal Life…Without A Gentile “Becoming”… an Israelite….
But DOES… Receive the Same Seed (of God) Abraham Received.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[brightfame52]

The Church of the NT fulfills the promises made to Israel because the promises center in Christ the Head of His Body the Church, and He is Israel. Notice some scripture that identifies Jesus Christ the Head of His Body the Church as Israel Hosea 11:1

When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

Now lets read the fulfillment Matt 2:13-15

13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:

15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

Now it should be plain to any reasonable person Jesus Christ is being identified here as the fulfillment of a prophecy about Israel !

Now Christ and His Body the Church are One, Gods word intimates. How can the Head be Identified as Israel and His Body not ? For Christ is the True Israel of God with His Members Chosen in Him. It is He that Israel that Glorified God as Gods servant Isa 49:1-3

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The Lord hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.

2 And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;

3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

Did not Jesus Christ become a servant ? Phil 2:5-8

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Did not Jesus Glorify God the Father in the earth ? Jn 17:1-4

These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Israel means in the hebrew "God prevails" In Christ God prevails

Israel means in the greek "he shall be a prince of God" Christ is Prince Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Israel here is His Body the Church, because He is the Saviour of His Body Eph 5:23

For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head/prince of the church: and He is the Saviour of the body.15

 

[brightfame52]

The Children of promise !

Paul when writing in Rom 9:6-8 reference is made to the children of promise

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Now if we read carefully, one of the Israels in Vs 6 are the Children of promise in Vs 8

Remember Isaac in Vs 7 was a child of promise to Abraham and Sarah while in their old age, so Israel is being referred to as the children of promise, as Isaac was.

Now Paul writing to the Galatians, which was a mostly Gentile assembly, was being influenced by false teachers, more than likely jews, telling them they needed to be circumcised. So in Gal 4 he writes as it pertained to jew and gentile believers, that they were, like Isaac the children of promise, which is Israel Rom 9:8 Gal 4::28

Now we, brethren[Jew or Gentile] Believers, as Isaac was, are the children of promise[Israel]

So the church comprised of both jew and gentile believers in Christ are #1 Abrahams seed Gal 3:29

.29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

#2 Heirs of Promise

#3 Children of Promise Gal 4:28 so the Israel of Rom 9:8

#4 The Israel of God Gal 6:16

16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

We know the Church, the Body of Christ is Israel

No, we are the Body of Christ and Israel are after the flesh

Christians do not replace Israel.

 

[brightfame52]

No, we are the Body of Christ and Israel are after the flesh

Christians do not replace Israel.

You in error friend, may God open your eyes

 

[Dan Clarkston]

You in error friend, may God open your eyes

Did you not understand the difference between the old covenant and the new?

You in error friend, may God open YOUR eyes

 

[brightfame52]

Did you not understand the difference between the old covenant and the new?

You in error friend, may God open YOUR eyes

Tis you that lacks understanding friend.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Tis you that lacks understanding friend.

You in error friend, may God open YOUR eyes

 

[brightfame52]

You in error friend, may God open YOUR eyes

I say the same to you

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I say the same to you

I say the same to you, but double since you're in so much trouble

 

[brightfame52]

Israel my Glory is the Church !

Isa 46:13

I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.

Israel, no not national ethnic israel, but Spiritual Israel, the Lords people from out of all nations, is saved to His Glory.

Any who belong to the New Creation in Christ is Israel His Glory

Eph 2:10

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Isa 43:7

Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

This includes some gentiles Acts 15:17

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

Speaking of the Church Eph 1:12

That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 15

 

[brightfame52]

I say the same to you, but double since you're in so much trouble

I say the same about you, triple