Trump begins police reform with executive order

[Taken]

According to Fox News, the "safe policing for safe communities" executive order was signed by Trump. It has these three objectives:

1. Credentialing and certification standards to adopt best practices on use of force
2. Info sharing to track excessive use of force complaints
3. Experts in mental health, homelessness, and addiction to join police

In a speech to the nation, Trump said he will be working with Congress on additional measures.

Here are some questions to consider.

• How far should the federal government go in creating and enforcing policy pertaining to how local police departments operate?
• Should this be left up to State governments?

(I ask that comments in this thread please be restricted to policies pertaining to policing and not personal remarks against individuals. Thanks!)

Trump can only suggest Congress make considerations of his suggestions TO (the people's Individual Representatives).
AKA- working with Congress

Trump absolutely can write Executive Orders, for the US Federal Executive Branch, who Serve the President, at the President's pleasure.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Yehren]

'Antifa groups, along with black bloc activists, were among those who protested the 2016 election of Donald Trump.

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims

• The FBI has "no intelligence" indicating that "antifa" was involved in violence over the weekend related to protests following the death of George Floyd, a 46-year-old black man who died after a white police officer knelt on his neck for nearly nine minutes, The Nation reported.
• President Donald Trump, Attorney General William Barr, and several Republican lawmakers have blamed antifa for violence linked to protests that took place on Sunday.
• But according to The Nation, which cited an internal FBI situation report, the bureau's Washington, DC, field office "has no intelligence indicating Antifa involvement/presence" in the violence that took place that day.
• However, the FBI and other government agencies warn that far-right white supremacist groups will use the protests to incite violence and attack federal agents.

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims

 

[Enoch111]

Trump absolutely can write Executive Orders, for the US Federal Executive Branch, who Serve the President, at the President's pleasure.

Agreed. And instead of using his considerable presidential powers wisely through carefully worded Executive Orders, Mr. Trump conceded his presidential authority to the courts, the legislatures, and even the media. Trump should have used the Oval Office to address every issue thoroughly and carefully. He should have stopped tweeting long ago, and he should have stopped making off-the-cuff remarks altogether.

Now the Supreme Court has sabotaged his move to end DACA, but they do not have the Constitutional right to do so. Therefore they have created a Constitutional crisis. The three branches of government are equal, and if Mr. Trump fails to challenge to Supreme Court ruling in this matter, as well as all the federal court rulings that have been sabotaging his administration, that will be the end of the supremacy of the Constitution.

Where is the team of Constitutional experts and lawyers that Mr. Trump should have always had on hand to effectively challenge all the Leftist moves by the judicial activists in all the courts and the legislatures?

 

[Enoch111]

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims

And Americans should still trust the LYING FBI for any intelligence after their blatantly illegal moves against Trump and Flynn (and many others)? Probably half the FBI should be behind bars after lying under oath.

The FBI is no longer to be trusted with law enforcement. For all we know, they are working hand-in-hand with the Anarchists. In fact Trump should have conducted some WHOLESALE firings within the FBI and DOJ right at the start.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Now the Supreme Court has sabotaged his move to end DACA, but they do not have the Constitutional right to do so. Therefore they have created a Constitutional crisis.

That's not the only constitutional crisis they have created this week! What's up with SCOTUS??

Supreme Court Delivers Major Victory To LGBTQ Employees

 

[Enoch111]

That's not the only constitutional crisis they have created this week!

Agreed. There have been several unconstitutional ruling by these men and women who were sworn to uphold the Constitution.

What's up with SCOTUS??

SCOTUS is dominated by Leftists, and those who were nominated by Trump turned out to be traitors and Leftists also. SCOTUS has decided to shred the Constitution and joint the Anarchists in destroying America. This is the end of America.

 

[Taken]

Agreed. And instead of using his considerable presidential powers wisely through carefully worded Executive Orders, Mr. Trump conceded his presidential authority to the courts, the legislatures, and even the media. Trump should have used the Oval Office to address every issue thoroughly and carefully. He should have stopped tweeting long ago, and he should have stopped making off-the-cuff remarks altogether.

Now the Supreme Court has sabotaged his move to end DACA, but they do not have the Constitutional right to do so. Therefore they have created a Constitutional crisis. The three branches of government are equal, and if Mr. Trump fails to challenge to Supreme Court ruling in this matter, as well as all the federal court rulings that have been sabotaging his administration, that will be the end of the supremacy of the Constitution.

Where is the team of Constitutional experts and lawyers that Mr. Trump should have always had on hand to effectively challenge all the Leftist moves by the judicial activists in all the courts and the legislatures?

The people do not own the President. If he wants to tweet and exchange comments with any person, he can.

Advisors are at his disposal for all situations. And surely we much know even the advisors do not all agree. And to consider all the BS to accomplish even the smallest of tasks.
This is a society of instant gratification, but Government certainly does not operate in that fashion.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Yehren]

And Americans should still trust the LYING FBI for any intelligence after their blatantly illegal moves against Trump and Flynn (and many others)? Probably half the FBI should be behind bars after lying under oath.

Criminals have always accused the FBI of "lying." Nothing new there. Trump and Flynn are just the latest.

The FBI is no longer to be trusted with law enforcement.

Trump's rage is precisely because the FBI enforced the law. And thereby a good number of his hirelings were caught in felonies.

For all we know, they are working hand-in-hand with the Anarchists. In fact Trump should have conducted some WHOLESALE firings within the FBI and DOJ right at the start.

That's what Putin did.

Trump lacks the skill and intelligence to be a good dictator.

 

[Yehren]

Now the Supreme Court has sabotaged his move to end DACA, but they do not have the Constitutional right to do so.

Turns out, they do:
Ultimately, the Supreme Court could rule an executive order unconstitutional, but the process would likely take months or, more likely, years — and any policies Trump promotes will have taken effect in the interim period. Also, the Supreme Court would not be able to act of its own volition and simply "block" any of Trump's executive orders right away some entity would have to file a lawsuit challenging the executive order.

The Court gets to decide what is Constitutional, and what is not.

Therefore they have created a Constitutional crisis. The three branches of government are equal, and if Mr. Trump fails to challenge to Supreme Court ruling in this matter, as well as all the federal court rulings that have been sabotaging his administration, that will be the end of the supremacy of the Constitution.

Rather, the Constitution will be upheld.

Where is the team of Constitutional experts and lawyers that Mr. Trump should have always had on hand to effectively challenge all the Leftist moves by the judicial activists in all the courts and the legislatures?

They pretty much all sided with the Constitution, and the Court.

 

[Yehren]

Why the US Military Usually Punishes Misconduct but Police Often Close Ranks
No ‘blue wall of silence:’ A military lawyer explains why the US armed forces take accountability and justice seriously.
Many U.S. military members publicly disavowed President Trump’s decision to pardon Edward Gallagher, the former SEAL commando convicted of killing a teenage detainee in Iraq in 2017.

Gallagher’s alleged war crimes were nearly universally condemned up the chain of command, from enlisted men to Navy Secretary Richard Spencer. Indeed, it was Gallagher’s SEAL colleagues who reported the former commando’s actions.

This insistence on holding fellow service members accountable for bad behavior sharply differentiates the military from the police.

When police are revealed to have killed an unarmed suspect or used excessive force during arrest, police generally defend those actions. Cops who report wrongdoing are routinely ostracized as “rats” and denied promotions, according to a 1998 Human Rights Watch study. Researchers identify this so-called “blue wall of silence” – the refusal to “snitch” on other officers – as a defining feature of U.S. cop culture today.

Yet both soldiers and police officers put their lives on the line for their team every day. So what explains these two armed forces’ divergent attitudes toward bad behavior?
Why the US Military Usually Punishes Misconduct but Police Often Close Ranks

Well worth reading. I had no idea that Trump retaliated against the officers who found a war criminal guilty. That's one of the truly low things he's done in office.

 

[Yehren]

We train police to be warriors — and then send them out to be social workers
The fatal mismatch at the heart of American policing.

By Roge Karma Jul 31, 2020, 7:30am EDT

How police officers spend their time on the job
The best information on how police officers spend their time comes from “calls for service” data made publicly available by individual police agencies. These are often defined as calls to emergency operators, 911 calls, alarms, and police radio and non-emergency calls. Most calls for service are initiated by citizens, but the data I draw on here captures the officer’s final categorization of the incident.

The data overwhelmingly finds that police officers in aggregate spend the vast majority of their time responding to non-criminal calls, traffic-related incidents, and low-level crimes — and only a tiny fraction on violent crimes.

My favorite visualization of this data comes from former UK police officer and Temple University criminologist Jerry Ratcliffe, who used 2015 data from Philadelphia, a city with relatively high crime rates, to construct this graphic. The area of each box represents the proportion of reported incidents within that category:

Obviously, police are poorly trained for most of the work they actually do. What surprising is how rarely they mess up, given the disconnect between their daily work and their training.

It's not impossible to do law enforcement work and still manage those other social services competently; Japanese police do this. But training has to change, and veteran officers need to be aware that they have to support the training by modeling it for the new officers.

It's a tough thing to change culture; Camden, NJ was successful by shutting down the department and building it back from scratch. That probably isn't necessary. But a lot of work will have to be done.