Trump is the worst President to hold this office
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Bobby Jo
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With nuts! Haha (i like the cookies with nuts in them)H2S,
You're a smart cookie!
Pretty funny,
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Bobby Jo
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With nuts! Haha (i like the cookies with nuts in them)
Smart AND funny. I guess they go together too!
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Soverign Grace
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It's up to each person to study like the Bereans Bobby Jo, to interpret the warnings that are given in Scripture, and to exercise their own God-given discernment. The more I read about how they have control of the government, the news, the military, the police, education, and even Disney and top Christian leaders - the more it opened my eyes and gave new meaning to the fact that the whole world really does lieth in wickedness. God really does mean "the whole world." We could debate until the end of time but I don't want to chew on this topic anymore. We've been given warnings starting in Genesis 3:1 and then throughout the bible about how cunning the evil one is and we're told to be as wise as him. It's up to each of us to seek the truth and look to God for discernment.
Genesis 3:1
“Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?”
1 John 5:19
“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.”
John 16:13
“Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.”
Matthew 10:16
“Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.”
Soverign Grace
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When you start really looking into it you see just how expansive that manipulation is. I don't trust any news sources anymore. I have a habit of chatting with people when I'm out and it's actually alarming to see how manipulated people are. Most people that I meet out don't know anything that's really going on. They can tell you what Kim Kardashian is doing, or who won the ballgame but try bringing up what is going on in the country and you get that blank stare. It almost seems as if there is some type of mass hypnosis going on.
I was reading about how Lot was vexed day to day with the unlawful deeds and I see that happening among Christians. We're in very unusual times.
Soverign Grace
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We're given many warnings throughout Scripture. I also see many gullible people which is why we each need to study on our own without the influence of a pastor or other believers.
2 Timothy 2:15 - Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Soverign Grace
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I researched it very thoroughly. I had to research in a job I held. I never go by one source but constantly cross-reference, pray, and ask God for discernment. It's up to each person to do their own research - what I have said all along. Just because you declare something untrue and you have another who agrees with you and emboldens you to make a disparaging comment means nothing. And I'm concerned that someone claiming to be a Christian speaks with such spite just because another believer doesn't believe as you do. Consider the possibility that maybe it is you infecting others with ignorance - or leading others into sins of the tongue by attempting to normalize spite and mistreatment of another believer because they don't believe as you do. At no time have I ever disparaged you yet you seem to believe that it is your right to do it to me.
1 Samuel 16:7 - But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for [the LORD seeth] not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.
It just may be that person's eyes were opened before yours. A long time ago someone who was a strong Christian told me: "Christians like to cut each other up." Her words were true - I've seen it in every church we've been in and everybody thinks they're right. Sometimes the pride is so thick you can cut it with a knife. In our bible study three people left because they didn't agree with the pastor. Should that pastor then have buckled because Heart2soul insisted that she and the others who agreed with her were right and the pastor was wrong?
Galatians 6:3 - For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
Proverbs 26:12 - Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? [there is] more hope of a fool than of him.
Any Christian worth their salt is going to follow the narrow road and go where God leads them. Years back I used to hand out a tract titled: "The crowd may be wrong."
TRUTH SHOULD NEVER BE DETERMINED BY HOW MANY AGREE WITH IT.
Otherwise the Pharisees would have been held up as the people who had a corner on the truth and we all know they didn't. I remember when I first became a Christian my best friend thought I was misled - that the bible is all a fairy tale and she scoffed at me. Should I have listened to her and given up reading the bible because she thought that she was right? When I bought bibles for family for Christmas, my mother-in-law held her package and declared that "if this is a bible I'm going to hit you over the head with it." (she was a tough woman) And other family members thought I had gone off the deep end. Should I have listened to them and been persuaded because several of them thought that they had the truth and I didn't? In spite of many years of giving my mother-in-law Christian material she didn't accept the Lord - as far as I know. She went to her grave thinking she was right.
I know how vociferously that Trump loyalists defend him - I used to be one.
You might consider going back to the basic tenets of the faith in how we're to treat one another. I learn a lot from reading others' posts and can surmise the state of their hearts. Whatever is in the heart will come to the lips - or the keyboard. I'm often amused at how mean "Christians" can be to one another in churches and on forums. And of course they're such shining examples of Christianity that we should all follow them right?
Ephesians 4:32 - And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Ephesians 4:29-32 - Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
Luke 6:31 - And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
I'm done with this topic - it's up to each person to look for the truth.
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Soverign Grace
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No we're not to be afraid as Scripture foretells us of what is to come. I often feel like Habakuk or Lot since I see this country growing so ungodly and it's bound to vex our souls too - but we have to remember always that God is working out His purposes through everything.
Matthew 24:6
“And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.”
I tend to want to try to do my part and since I don't hold any worldly power then I see my part as evangelizing since only when hearts are changed is anything else going to change. I was hoping for a Revival as has happened throughout history.
My husband and I were talking to a hospital tech and he began telling us that every single person deserved healthcare and that he supported Ocasio Cortez. I'm sure he saw the shock on my husband and my faces. I could see her misleading the younger crowd - you can see how she goes around stumping for the Green New Deal and hoodwinking young people into following her - it's just poison wrapped in warm and fuzzy language. But the hospital worker was in his 40's. It just showed me how successful the powers that be are in misleading people. What was interesting is that he spoke as if everybody agreed that Ocasio was right. There are all kinds of propaganda being played on the public and it appeared that the tech worker had fallen for the "bandwagon."
I don't know who that is. But here in the UK we all get free healthcare - even immigrants - but if you can pay you get it quicker.
When people talk to me about the troubles in our country and in the world I usually say to them that this is what an increasingly Godless society looks like. They take God out of schools but insist on teaching about gay relationships to primary age children. A vicar is told by his bishop to toe the line or else when he disagreed with a schools decision to transgender an eight year old without telling his parents. He resigned, good for him. People in this country are being spared prison sentences because they have degrees . . . etc, etc.
Actually, I think AOC has a great idea there.... IF SOMEONE ELSE PAYS FOR IT. And that is exactly what she has in mind... "I want it to be a law, but YOU pay for it, not me." Did you know I read that this free-loading Airhead was so broke, she couldn't even afford to move to Washington until she got her first paycheck from the government?
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Soverign Grace
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I forget that sometimes those from other countries are on here. Ocasio is a legislator from NY who is pushing socialism - and promises free everything. But I think the saying has merit: "Sooner or later you run out of other peoples money." A family member had a business and it was sickening how many taxes they took - I just see a lot more businesses going belly-up to pay for all the freebies they're handing out - to citizens and non-citizens alike.
I think that there is a problem with healthcare in America but I don't think that socialized medicine is the answer. I spoke with a woman from Canada who told me that the medical care there is terrible and if she has anything major she comes to America. I also spoke with a nurse who moved from Canada because of the amount of money they were taking out of her paycheck to pay for the socialized medical care.
Don't doctors get to decide if you get a procedure or not? A relative had told me that if you're too old you can be denied certain medical procedures.
Over here in the UK we start paying National Insurance as soon as we start work. They take it out of your wage along with the income tax. It is a good system and I'm so glad we have it. It also provides a state pension on retirement but lots of people top up with private pensions which I couldn't afford.
Bobby Jo
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Soverign Grace
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This is a godless society and when I read the news I often have to stop and walk away from it. It's evil to teach sin to primary age children. Where is the public outcry? I was on the national pediatric website and couldn't believe that was the featured article. They attempt to normalize it - but you can see that all of these supposedly good organizations are being controlled. It's good to hear a good report about that vicar - I think God will bless him for his stance. Those parents hold the God-given right to oversee their child's development, but I read that the state now thinks that they own your child. I read where a girl was taken away from her father because he refused to let her transgender. They inject those children with hormones at a time when they are not old enough to make a mature choice. But Satan has made a bid for the children. I think we're all going to be faced with hard choices in these coming times.
Revelation 12:12
“Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
I remember talking to other parents when we were raising a family, and one of the mothers brought up that one lone woman - Madelyn Murray O'Hare, an atheist, took prayer out of schools. How could that many Christian parents sit back and allow it to happen? That's part of why I feel it's our generation's duty to try to turn the tide. It is something of a quandry - we know that Scripture foretells that evil will increase, but should we try to act to change it? I've pondered that and I think we should. I know other believers who just accept it.
I hadn't heard that about people avoiding prison sentences because they have degrees? Everything is topsy turvy. I read where a great-grandmother walking with her family in Disneyworld was arrested and thrown in jail for having CBD oil in her purse for her arthritis. Everything is bass-awkward. Police beat my brother up until he was unconscious and stole his money. Troopers assassinated my neighbor's unarmed grandson. Every day on www.thefreethoughtproject newsletter I read of another person brutalized by police. Nothing changes - they've gained so much power now that they can molest, brutalize, and murder with impunity. There isn't much of a Constitution left. I keep warning people that we're in a police state but everyone seems clueless and accepts it. It's not normal - nothing happening in our country is normal. I feel like Habakuk and Lot. This world is becoming uninhabitable. It really concerns me for these young people coming up.
Soverign Grace
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It's good to get another viewpoint as I had spoken with two people who didn't like socialized medicine. Aren't you taxed at a very high rate? Right now if you can't pay for medical care in America you don't get care - unless it's an emergency. Those who worked in the private sector lose their insurance when they stop working and it's very expensive to buy it on your own. I'm paying $1,000 a month - which doesn't sound like a lot but then I have a $1500 deductible and have to pay co-pays for each doctor I see, and add that in with other expenses and it gets taxing. My cousin went broke paying for medical care and was upset that she was in a facility with Russians who were getting everything paid for. Americans seem to be discriminated against.
What concerns me is that I read that less than half of Americans are working now - and they're supporting the other more than half on government benefits. That just can't last. Now bubblehead Ocasio-Cortez is promising free college to everyone. How is that going to be paid for? Now I read that another chain of stores is closing.
I have a lot of concerns for what is happening in our country. Sometimes I'll watch an old movie from the 50's and it's just so sad to see how morals have changed.
Soverign Grace
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Sometimes "study" requires "HISTORY" (Deut. 18:22).
Bobby Jo
I agree - I watch a lot of history documentaries
I was particularly interested in learning about Nazi Germany because those with a keen eye can see that America has become a mirror image of it. Hitler used the occult and one can see him in old photos flashing the triangle of Satan - the Thaumaturgic Triangle - which they use to conjure demons. I wondered if that gave him some kind of power to deceive. I wondered how he could delude the masses - an entire nation - into going along with the murder of Jews. If you read history you learn that Germany was in a Great Depression at the time with the masses suffering from poverty, misery, and uncertainty. Hitler knew what the Germans wanted to hear. He used propaganda on the masses and promised to "Make Germany Great Again."What I have learned is that nothing is as it seems. Satan is the great deceiver. I really saw the truth of 1 John 5:19 in a new way. God made me go through some experiences that I would rather He had delivered me from. I was forced to deal with very shrewd, very cunning, very subtil individuals. It gave me insight into how a "show" is put on, and how those with "the spirit that is now at work in those who are disobedient" can deceive people with skilled accuracy. I saw how evil people can appear as "an angel of light." Satan is a very intelligent fallen angel and we're warned to be as wise as him.
Many years ago our neighbor was the Vice President of the PTA. My husband walked over their house for something and saw her snorting a line of coke off her kitchen counter. I saw how people can present one thing to the world and yet reality was entirely different. I believe our politicians know how to do this skillfully.
1 John 5:19
“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.”
Ephesians 2:2
“Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:”
You can read of the carefully staged events that Hitler held and how he had the masses worked into a frenzy. It shows clearly that very intelligent people who design these artifices know the key words to say to manipulate the masses.
The History Place - Rise of Hitler: Germans Elect Nazis
Some of Hitler's quotes are quite telling:
"What luck for governments, that the people are stupid!"
"Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death."
"Tell a lie loud enough and long enough and people will believe it."
"It is a quite special secret pleasure how the people around us fail to realize what is really happening to them."
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