Two Resurrections of the Dead

[MatthewG]

I have stated that there are three types of resurrections - that is all @Spiritual Israelite


Resurrection of unbeliever those who chose nothing to do with God.
Resurrection of the believers perhaps Children of God.
Resurrection of those of the better resurrection perhaps Son or Daughters of God.

 

[MatthewG]

When it comes to resurrection events - I believe the white throne judgement already occurred, and those who were dumped out of hell, many people do not believe that anyway it's okay if you do not.

What does that mean for us today?

When you die you are judged; and resurrected given a Spiritual body - be it condemned or not - which is given by God (From what I hear he only gives good gifts which is interesting to note), instantly from my understanding it's quick and you will either end up outside the Kingdom, or Inside for having done the Commandments which is to believe on God's only Son, and to love your neighbor as yourself.

That is my take away from it, and no one has to believe it.

 

[MatthewG]

On note of this; Rewards are talked about throughout the Gospel of Christ.

This is why I believe that building on the spiritual foundations of Christ are important to the life a believer. It doesn't mean they have to go around and make everyone believe the way they do. It is simply to share the good, and the encouraging things of Christ, but also the harder and the realities of ourselves through the letters of Paul, and others simply to get a grip on what our focus should be. (If an individual wants that or not is up to them). It is all about living by the Spirit in faith on the Gospel of Christ until we die.

One day we will pass away. It seems like our bodies may be healthy and thriving, but it is always possible for God to take our life onward towards his Realm and that could be in our very sleep.

 

[robert derrick]

This is like saying there are four different gospels...as actually being different. But no, there is but one gospel, but four accounts.

Since you don't show how, your disagreement is veiled accusation.

There are four accounts of one gospel, and there are two resurrections given in prophecy, as well as the day of the Lord prophesied for three different times.

 

[Enoch111]

First Jesus Christ, then the resurrection of all His people at His return...

"At His return" means the Second Coming of Christ. But since He comes WITH His saints at that time, they were resurrected long before the Second Coming! Also the resurrection of Christ is the first part of "the first resurrection". So there are only TWO resurrections -- that of the righteous and that of the unrighteous.

 

[robert derrick]

Only figuratively now, Literally after Jesus Returns.

True. Realistically now in our own lives. Literally as resurrected saints with his return.

The holy Land is all that area from the Nile to the Euphrates. We Christians will inherit it and will live there forever. Psalms 37:29, Romans 9:24-26

Nile to Euphrates will be for the national Jews as His natural kingdom of priests on earth, which was covenanted with Abraham. The land Abraham personal walked on will be all his own, and has nothing to do with covenants of circumcision and law of Moses from Sinai.

 

[robert derrick]

I can only count one bodily resurrection of the Lord's people after the heavens are no more.

Job 14:12
So man lies down and does not rise [again].
Until the heavens are no longer,
The dead will not awake nor be raised from their sleep.


Rev 20
11 And I saw a great white throne and Him who was seated upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them [for this heaven and earth are passing away].
12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the Book of Life; and the dead were judged according to what they had done as written in the books [that is, everything done while on earth].

13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and death and Hades (the realm of the dead) surrendered the dead who were in them; and they were judged and sentenced, every one according to their deeds. 14 Then death and Hades [the realm of the dead] were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire [the eternal separation from God]. 15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the Book of Life, he was hurled into the lake of fire.

When the book of life is opened the dead in Christ will be revealed, the Great and the small to Glorification in Eternal life.
The sea will give up the rest of the dead who are not in the book of life to damnation and the LOF.

That's your problem, not mine.

I've already shown it is otherwise enough.

 

[jeffweeder]

That's your problem, not mine.

I've already shown it is otherwise enough.

You have the dead waking while the heaven still is then.
Somebody in Houston has a problem.:)

 

[MatthewG]

You know I wonder what this means,

Matthew 27:53
The Death of Jesus
…52The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. 53After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people. 54When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified and said, “Truly this was the Son of God.”…


The light blue print. Did they enter into the Holy City meaning in Heavenly Jerusalem?

Thoughts? I was reading Matthew 27 the other day and came by this and wonder what it means, thank you for any insights.

 

[robert derrick]

We all know that the rest of the dead are resurrected, judged and then cast into the lake of fire after the thousand years (and Satan's little season), right? You pointed out that the resurrection of Jesus's people will occur on the last day. What else occurs on the last day?

John 12:48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.

The rest of the dead are judged a thousand years after the first resurrection of the saints.

The first resurrection is at the Lord's return, which is the last day of man's rule on earth. The rest of the dead are judged a thousand years later at the last day of men on earth.

The day of the Lord is of three times in Scripture, which Perter confirmed was first with His coming in the flesh. Pauls confirms is His second coming in the air. And Peter confirms is the last day of final judgment, after the earth is burned up.

And so the last day is of three times in Scripture: the last day of the OT, the last day of men ruling on earth, and the last day of men on earth.

Each day of the Lord is the last day of the days gone before.

That is not what scripture teaches. The unsaved will be judged once the last day arrives and we all know they are judged after the thousand years (and Satan's little season).

All the unsaved since Adam, and all those found in the Lamb's book of life after a thousand years of the Lord's return to earth.

How ironic for you to say that. The only way you can conclude that those two verses are not speaking of the same event is due to making assumptions and reading your doctrine into them.

Correct. Not assumptions but reading the doctrine I believe to be true from other Scripture.

As I've told you before, "many" does not have to mean "not all". When Jesus said many are called, but few are chosen was He saying that not all are called? No.

Fair point, well done.

However, it is true that all are not called by His gospel, because all have not heard. Not every man on earth heard the gospel of Jesus Christ, before dying on earth, after His resurrection from the dead.

They did not hear until He preached to all the spirits in prison in hell.

But they were not all being called, because many were condemned to torment, rather than with Abraham where there was water to drink.

What that verse is saying is that the number of those who will be resurrected is "many". Another definition of the Hebrew word that was translated from is "a multitude". It's not saying that not all will be resurrected at that time, it's saying a huge number of people will be resurrected. There is no basis whatsoever for thinking that Daniel 12:2 is talking about something different than John 5:28-29 where Jesus said that a time is coming when ALL of the dead will be raised.

I don't do ancient language games to prove anything, but only as dressing of what is already proven.

Also, a multitude is not the multitude.

The rest of the dead lived not again, until after the saints already lived again, and it will be a multitude of many, not all.

And of that multitude of dead living again, there will be some found in the book of Life, and others cast into the lake of fire.

 

[ewq1938]

True.


We are made His priests and kings now. (Rev 1:6) (1 Peter 2)

No one has the rod of iron to rule over the nations now according to Rev 2, 19-20. That comes after the Return.

 

[ewq1938]

From what I understand there are three resurrections.

Resurrection of Unbelievers.
Resurrection of Believers. Perhaps Children.
Resurrection of believers but better than then normal one. Perhaps Sons or Daughters of God.

The bible only speaks of two future resurrections. The saved before the Mill and the unsaved after it is over.

 

[Timtofly]

When the book of life is opened the dead in Christ will be revealed, the Great and the small to Glorification in Eternal life.
The sea will give up the rest of the dead who are not in the book of life to damnation and the LOF.

The dead in Christ are currently physically enjoying Paradise. The 7th Seal opens the Lamb's book of life. The Second Coming is the 6th Seal.

Then after the 7th Seal comes the Trumpets. The Trumpets are the role call for Israel. The sheep live, and the goats are thrown into the LOF. Jesus on earth gives full authority to His angels to carry out these tasks. By the 5th Trumpet, Satan is allowed to release his angels.

 

[ewq1938]

You know I wonder what this means,

Matthew 27:53
The Death of Jesus
…52The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. 53After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people. 54When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified and said, “Truly this was the Son of God.”…


The light blue print. Did they enter into the Holy City meaning in Heavenly Jerusalem?

No. Some of the dead rose and went into Jerusalem, called the holy city there and also at the start of the GT in Rev11.

 

[MatthewG]

The bible only speaks of two future resurrections. The saved before the Mill and the unsaved after it is over.

No. Some of the dead rose and went into Jerusalem, called the holy city there and also at the start of the GT in Rev11.

Oh okay.

 

[Truth7t7]

There are actually three known resurrections of the dead: First Jesus Christ, then the resurrection of all His people at His return, and finally the resurrection of all the rest of the dead at the last judgment.

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The first resurrection of the bodies of other men and women, after that of Jesus, is the blessed one of all His people.

In John 6, Jesus spoke of the resurrection of His own people only, at the last day. Paul speaks of the resurrection of the body of Christ alone, when He returns to meet Him in the air.

I say the last day therefore, is the last day of sinful man's rule on earth, since being driven from the garden. It is not the last day of the earth, which is by fire not only on the earth, but is also in the air, where the Lord and His saints are, and among all the stars.

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Without making assumptions, nor reading one's own doctrine into Scripture, these two verses do not have to be speaking of the same event.

The first only speaks of the righteous at the end of the last days of tribulation put upon them, which confirms the first resurrection being only of the people of God.

The second then is speaking of many, not all of people in history, being resurrected unto life or shame. That confirms the rest of the dead being resurrected to live again and also be found in the Lamb's book of life or cast into the lake of fire.

One thing is sure, there must be at least two resurrections of the dead, unless someone doesn't believe Jesus Christ is already resurrected from the dead, and so don't believe in any resurrection at all.

There are (Two) resurrections on the (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Life
2.) (Second Death) Resurrection To Damnation

Revelation 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

Daniel 12:1-2KJV
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[MatthewG]

Do you think Jesus conquered the second death? If he suffered death for all people? What about all things being placed beneath the feet of Jesus?

 

[ewq1938]

There are (Two) resurrections on the (Last Day)

No, there is one resurrection on the day of the GWTJ, all the unsaved.

 

[Truth7t7]

Do you think Jesus conquered the second death? If he suffered death for all people? What about all things being placed beneath the feet of Jesus?

You softly suggest the views of "Universalism"

The "Second Death" will be those Judged to the lake of fire

Revelation 20:14-15KJV
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[MatthewG]

Oh.

You missed revelation 21-22?