Ukrainian offensive land take back in blue, cost was 70 thousand Ukrainian lives

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Live free or die.

Most Americans and NATO believe in the motto. Only the cowards do not.

The USA has never and will never back down to authoritarian dictators from anywhere for any reason. Russia is more scared than Americans are...and it's not due to ignorance....it's this guiding principle that drives Americans. Where Russians have the guiding principle of "better a live dog than a dead lion" and they act like dogs....raping women and children and the systematic destruction of cities and the outright theft of property....everything from toilets to grain.
 

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Most Americans have absolutely no idea how close we are to nuclear war. Our politicians confidently assure us that the war in Ukraine will never spark a nuclear conflict, and the mainstream media in the western world rarely talks about such a scenario. But over in Russia, things are completely different. They regard the war in Ukraine as an existential conflict between Russia and NATO, and there is constant talk on Russian television about the possibility of nuclear war. Here is the latest example that I have come across…

In general i see Australians stand around acting tough, Oh well if WW3 brakes out we will win.
But i say ok maybe we will, but all of your Super you have put in your whole working live will be gone in fact moron ! how are you going to survive then moron.
Not to mention without a War down the track we are in big trouble because our Nation has been and is been run by total morons.

I do not think we all have a hope in hell of dealing with China alone, it's going to wipe the floor with the USA economically in the future without a War. because we have been sold out ! by people who are in the shadows and that their plans for their Socialist Communist hoodwink will win, i think it already is here now !
Trump is the only one who can turn the USA around from a fate worse then death.

The people i have talked to regarding Communism all think that it's themselves that will be empowered in fact ? but i say no ! the fact is that you will become a enslaved in fact you moron, you will become the lowest denominator as that's what the standard is for all, that's why Satanist promote queers because such is the lowest denominator, such becomes the standard set.
Such rule you and dominate over you all, because that's the standard that is set. It's the Standard must be set ? it becomes the highest standard, the lowest standard has become the highest standard ? and you have no rights to set a standard in fact, because you have been enslaved by such a Satanic system in fact, you become like a Mutt that is only owned and trained, so as to perform like a dog in doing it's masters bidding. you do not have a voice !
 
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If the USA is ever hit with a massive nuclear strike.....the whole world is in serious trouble in trying to survive. The USA economy is what drives the world's economy....not Europe, not Africa and definitely not China.

If Russia was destroyed by a nuclear attack...things might get a little tough but nothing much would change for the entire world.

USA gets hit?
Again the whole world would fire everything they have at Russia and likely China too for letting it happen just for revenge. EVERY nation has lost something to Russia or China over the years....

So where the USA is king is in processed food. Nobody really deals in live animals or dirty vegetables to eat on a retail consumer level. And nobody trusts many of the food processing plants in most nations (rampant and ongoing problems with various contaminants and bacterias)
Then there's the technology problems....
Without private investment dollars there is not going to be any more technological advancement in health or computer or other technological development.

Most of the world banking is based on US Dollars as reserve deposits....even England and Euros. The entire world banking would collapse and the global economy would shrink by 75%. Russia falls? We are talking a two month recession max usually but with current sanctions? Nada.


Who needs who more?
 

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If the USA is ever hit with a massive nuclear strike.....the whole world is in serious trouble in trying to survive. The USA economy is what drives the world's economy....not Europe, not Africa and definitely not China.

If Russia was destroyed by a nuclear attack...things might get a little tough but nothing much would change for the entire world.

USA gets hit?
Again the whole world would fire everything they have at Russia and likely China too for letting it happen just for revenge. EVERY nation has lost something to Russia or China over the years....

So where the USA is king is in processed food. Nobody really deals in live animals or dirty vegetables to eat on a retail consumer level. And nobody trusts many of the food processing plants in most nations (rampant and ongoing problems with various contaminants and bacterias)
Then there's the technology problems....
Without private investment dollars there is not going to be any more technological advancement in health or computer or other technological development.

Most of the world banking is based on US Dollars as reserve deposits....even England and Euros. The entire world banking would collapse and the global economy would shrink by 75%. Russia falls? We are talking a two month recession max usually but with current sanctions? Nada.


Who needs who more?
The USA dropped two bombs in Japan, who were the most savage people on earth to take on not gutless people at all, they were totaly deadly serious about War !
But two little Bombs stopped such in their tracks in fact.

Now it's 2023 and Russia has X amount of Nuclear Bombs and Just one can be 100 times the fire power of the little rubbish that was dropped on Japan.

Now Russia could just say, Now listen to the West Grow up ! You can not win against Russia for if you try you will be toast, so will Russia ! so grow up !
If Russia did drop a huge Nuclear Bomb the whole world would shit it's self just like Japan did, but even more so than the Japs in fact.

Lucky we have Putin in charge of Russia because he is very nice in fact, but look out for who replaces him will not be so nice.
Remember Wagner group were pissed off with Putin for holding back so much taking it to easy with the War. The Group wanted to go in and finish the War off in Ukraine, they said they could do it so easy ! But Putin is playing it easy as he understands who is playing the Russian people for fools.

Putin's hand was pushed, so as to go to War in fact by Biden ! he could not do nothing in fact and this is about Russia's back yard and the West can piss off out of their back yard, because it's got nothing to do with us at all in fact.
Putin is right in having elections for the people in fact, Just because the West claim that the Elections are illegal does not make it so ! why are the West so anti Election, such clearly do have no regard for the people who live in the areas in fact and know that they will not win by democratic means in fact, is the real reason they reject votes. don't the people in the area have a right to Vote !
Sadly the West nowadays is all only one sided BS ! same sort of total BS is played with Trump in playing the same old tactics that Stalin did.
Joe Biden is selling out the USA into the hands of China and in turning Russia against the USA, the means to this ends are the NWO !
If WW3 were to kick off Biden will sell the USA short, not to mention with a total retard like that at the helm forget it !

I thought we were doing well with Russia after the wall came down and we had a chance to become as one again in peace ! not this because such has just pushed any trust that the Russians had back 30 years in fact ! that's not good at all and i for one am pissed off about such. It was not called for at all ! because it's their back yard ! not our's .
I am no fan of Russians but i know that they are being shafted big time by Biden. I hope it will all be exposed Biden is very evil Trash !

The Left have been trying to undermine Russia for years now, Idiot Hilary wanted desperately to go to War with Russia because Putin did not want to go backwards into under Satanic Communism again, that the Left champion everything that is Marxist evil and totally depraved in fact, they push all such depravity in fact ! and some of the Right are just as evil Satanic trash because they feed off the middle class like Vampires of the Socialist as well. It's all about the lowest denominator to rule ! Satanism !
 
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The USA dropped two bombs in Japan, who were the most savage people on earth to take on not gutless people at all, they were totaly deadly serious about War !
But two little Bombs stopped such in their tracks in fact.

Now it's 2023 and Russia has X amount of Nuclear Bombs and Just one can be 100 times the fire power of the little rubbish that was dropped on Japan.

Now Russia could just say, Now listen to the West Grow up ! You can not win against Russia for if you try you will be toast, so will Russia ! so grow up !
If Russia did drop a huge Nuclear Bomb the whole world would shit it's self just like Japan did, but even more so than the Japs in fact.

Lucky we have Putin in charge of Russia because he is very nice in fact, but look out for who replaces him will not be so nice.
Remember Wagner group were pissed off with Putin for holding back so much taking it to easy with the War. The Group wanted to go in and finish the War off in Ukraine, they said they could do it so easy ! But Putin is playing it easy as he understands who is playing the Russian people for fools.

Putin's hand was pushed, so as to go to War in fact by Biden ! he could not do nothing in fact and this is about Russia's back yard and the West can piss off out of their back yard, because it's got nothing to do with us at all in fact.
Putin is right in having elections for the people in fact, Just because the West claim that the Elections are illegal does not make it so ! why are the West so anti Election, such clearly do have no regard for the people who live in the areas in fact and know that they will not win by democratic means in fact, is the real reason they reject votes. don't the people in the area have a right to Vote !
Sadly the West nowadays is all only one sided BS ! same sort of total BS is played with Trump in playing the same old tactics that Stalin did.
Joe Biden is selling out the USA into the hands of China and in turning Russia against the USA, the means to this ends are the NWO !
If WW3 were to kick off Biden will sell the USA short, not to mention with a total retard like that at the helm forget it !

I thought we were doing well with Russia after the wall came down and we had a chance to become as one again in peace ! not this because such has just pushed any trust that the Russians had back 30 years in fact ! that's not good at all and i for one am pissed off about such. It was not called for at all ! because it's their back yard ! not our's .
I am no fan of Russians but i know that they are being shafted big time by Biden. I hope it will all be exposed Biden is very evil Trash !

The Left have been trying to undermine Russia for years now, Idiot Hilary wanted desperately to go to War with Russia because Putin did not want to go backwards into under Satanic Communism again, that the Left champion everything that is Marxist evil and totally depraved in fact, they push all such depravity in fact ! and some of the Right are just as evil Satanic trash because they feed off the middle class like Vampires of the Socialist as well. It's all about the lowest denominator to rule ! Satanism !
I have no idea where you get your information but it is really really wrong. I've been in the area that is fighting and can tell you point blank nothing you have said resembles the truth. (Except for the two bombs on Japan which were termed as "city destroyers" which led their decision to surrender very soon after)

The elections Russia is holding are a joke...a PR stunt and nothing more. When voting you first are shown propaganda videos and then vote the way Putin desires at the point of a gun or you are immediately imprisoned.

If you actually knew the Ukranians or anyone from this area of the Steppes you would know immediately that there's a reason THE WHOLE WORLD is helping Ukraine. Russia must not be allowed to steal or the entire world will revert to barbarism. It's one step away from that now.

I don't love the world I'm living in but it's the only one I got at the moment and I'm actually trying to navigate it the best I can. Why you feel the need to regurgitate propaganda of politicians is beyond me....this is a Christian site. Christians do NOT like politics whatsoever...even internal politics. International politics even less.

However, the USA and NATO must uphold their promises. The side benefit is that Russia's claws have been removed at the same time and the Chinese have been cowed about trying to rob Taiwan in the same way and the whole world's investments in Taiwan.
So...
Why are you repeating the Russian Disinformation Talking Points today? Especially when the paycheck for doing so is going to evaporate very soon. Are you that hungry and poor? Maybe you should find the American missionary church in the area and try to get work as an interpreter for them....maybe they will know of other jobs in the area instead of this one.
 

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Escalating, now the US does not object to Ukraine using the US supplied high-tech weapons to strike deep into Russia.
Russia has said that is a red-line and a lead up to war with NATO.

 

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Escalating, now the US does not object to Ukraine using the US supplied high-tech weapons to strike deep into Russia.
Russia has said that is a red-line and a lead up to war with NATO.

Don't care....
Russia does but their opinion doesn't matter.

Besides...I don't think that with the new aerial defenses that Ukraine will succeed with hitting inside of Russia.

The goal of hitting inside of Russia is not so much damage or lives as it is the political pressure it creates inside of Russia itself. Just like the many "fires" started by careless smokers....(They have milked that excuse to death lately)

When the people have to live in fear of the war they, themselves started...it's a game changer for Russia. The political willpower wanes drastically. Especially as all the many things they fought so hard to collect before are now worthless.

This can be a new Soap Opera....As The Ruble Crashes.
 

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I have no idea where you get your information but it is really really wrong. I've been in the area that is fighting and can tell you point blank nothing you have said resembles the truth. (Except for the two bombs on Japan which were termed as "city destroyers" which led their decision to surrender very soon after)

The elections Russia is holding are a joke...a PR stunt and nothing more. When voting you first are shown propaganda videos and then vote the way Putin desires at the point of a gun or you are immediately imprisoned.

If you actually knew the Ukranians or anyone from this area of the Steppes you would know immediately that there's a reason THE WHOLE WORLD is helping Ukraine. Russia must not be allowed to steal or the entire world will revert to barbarism. It's one step away from that now.

I don't love the world I'm living in but it's the only one I got at the moment and I'm actually trying to navigate it the best I can. Why you feel the need to regurgitate propaganda of politicians is beyond me....this is a Christian site. Christians do NOT like politics whatsoever...even internal politics. International politics even less.

However, the USA and NATO must uphold their promises. The side benefit is that Russia's claws have been removed at the same time and the Chinese have been cowed about trying to rob Taiwan in the same way and the whole world's investments in Taiwan.
So...
Why are you repeating the Russian Disinformation Talking Points today? Especially when the paycheck for doing so is going to evaporate very soon. Are you that hungry and poor? Maybe you should find the American missionary church in the area and try to get work as an interpreter for them....maybe they will know of other jobs in the area instead of this one.
The people of Ukraine are being stitched up bro ! big time in fact.

Joe Biden could not care less about anyone in Ukraine, can you see that ? Biden is a racial prejudice pig bigot. This is all about very rich people wanting Oil and Gas for one ? can you see that ?

What are the people of Ukraine getting out of this ? Nothing but hellfire ! It's stupid, the Lands would be so much better off with a Vote, That my dear boy would dissolve the whole issue in fact, giving the people a Voice for Christ sake !

To Hell with Zelenskyy he is a Dictator in fact ! he got rid of all opposition you fool ! wake up ! he is not a nice man at all, he is a stooge a low life grub who if you understand what he ran on to be elected, did not do at all, by rights he should of been kicked out of office but that's why he had to get rid of all of Ukraine's opposition Party's ! Tell me why that is good that he got rid of all of his opposition Party's ?

The War is not good for Ukraine at all, not the people of Ukraine in fact ! Tell me why it is good ? Why do you support the killing !

I have worked with Ukrainians and for them and the same goes for Russians, are they my cup of Tea ? No not really because their are many issues with all such peoples but i wish them good intentions and understand them much better than most people do in my Country. Because i talk to them a lot, many debates everyday bro and going were most people would not dare to go, for fear for their lives to go to such lengths with such ones. Such people will come at the likes of you with a knife because you are not truly willing to listen to them openly, i have seen such many a time has come to such being pulled.
I myself enjoy debating such people and i get on well with such people but debating can get heated and i like that because then you can learn.

I take much of what the Media say or claim with a pinch of salt and much of such the words of a Whore, for i understand who they are and the games they play are a disgrace. I do not look up to the MSM at all, i look down on them in fact as trash especially all the one sided dribble, you would think this was Nazi Germany's Media, it's truly that bad !

Taiwan is another story altogether.

Anyone who is ignorant of Political undertakings is a ignorant fool. Do i look up to Political people in general, No ! and their is a good reason why that is so, because i am not ignorant of them or the Media. not to mention when it comes to Christians not all is what it truly is in fact, so one may call such out, that's a healthy path to take on, because you may learn.

And i am not in bed with any Russian nonsense that you claim at all. I do not want a War bro ! and my opinion of people who do want War is that they are morons.
 
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The people of Ukraine are being stitched up bro ! big time in fact.

Joe Biden could not care less about anyone in Ukraine, can you see that ? Biden is a racial prejudice pig bigot. This is all about very rich people wanting Oil and Gas for one ? can you see that ?

What are the people of Ukraine getting out of this ? Nothing but hellfire ! It's stupid, the Lands would be so much better off with a Vote, That my dear boy would dissolve the whole issue in fact, giving the people a Voice for Christ sake !

To Hell with Zelenskyy he is a Dictator in fact ! he got rid of all opposition you fool ! wake up ! he is not a nice man at all, he is a stooge a low life grub who if you understand what he ran on to be elected, did not do at all, by rights he should of been kicked out of office but that's why he had to get rid of all of Ukraine's opposition Party's ! Tell me why that is good that he got rid of all of his opposition Party's ?

The War is not good for Ukraine at all, not the people of Ukraine in fact ! Tell me why it is good ? Why do you support the killing !

I have worked with Ukrainians and for them and the same goes for Russians, are they my cup of Tea ? No not really because their are many issues with all such peoples but i wish them good intentions and understand them much better than most people do in my Country. Because i talk to them a lot, many debates everyday bro and going were most people would not dare to go, for fear for their lives to go to such lengths with such ones. Such people will come at the likes of you with a knife because you are not truly willing to listen to them openly, i have seen such many a time has come to such being pulled.
I myself enjoy debating such people and i get on well with such people but debating can get heated and i like that because then you can learn.

I take much of what the Media say or claim with a pinch of salt and much of such the words of a Whore, for i understand who they are and the games they play are a disgrace. I do not look up to the MSM at all, i look down on them in fact as trash especially all the one sided dribble, you would think this was Nazi Germany's Media, it's truly that bad !

Taiwan is another story altogether.

Anyone who is ignorant of Political undertakings is a ignorant fool. Do i look up to Political people in general, No ! and their is a good reason why that is so, because i am not ignorant of them or the Media. not to mention when it comes to Christians not all is what it truly is in fact, so one may call such out, that's a healthy path to take on, because you may learn.

And i am not in bed with any Russian nonsense that you claim at all. I do not want a War bro ! and my opinion of people who do want War is that they are morons.

So please explain The Holomodor.

Why did Reagan view the USSR as a great evil?

Those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
The Ukranians just want to live. They want to farm their lands and sell their crops without Russian interference.
Ukranians didn't start this war.
Ukranians never invaded Russia.
Ukranians are not guilty of stealing from Russia.
Ukranians didn't have much of a military before the Russian invasion.

And above in a post I have direct quotes from Putin himself about his goals and desires...and it doesn't involve letting the Ukranians live.
Why should the USA not keep their promises to the Ukranians? Because if the only reason is that Russia wants their lands...that's not a sufficient reason to not keep our promise to that nation.

Joe Biden and his cronies might lie and be war profiteers. That's politicians. You might believe whatever you want about Zelensky...it really is not my concern. But I will say that they are being successful with their style of warfare. It's not fast...it's not showy...but it's what they are great at.

The Ukranians are practicing attritional, asymmetric warfare. And it works for them. Russia has too much of a huge military machine...they can't stop this sort of warfare. Well, they could, but are unwilling to deal with the consequences for doing so. (It would mean their complete annihilation)

Russia's track record under Putin is well known around the world. It's not a secret or even obscured in the slightest. We know Putin's intentions. The whole world knows Putin's intentions.
This is why the whole world supports Ukraine...especially former Soviet Bloc nations.

Russia is not going to win this. The WHOLE WORLD has risen up against Russia to help Ukraine.
If Russia were to surrender today they could survive this. I doubt they will...but the Ruble might actually be worth something and the Russian people won't starve.
It's going to be like when Gorbachev had to break up Russia all over again before its over. Georgia is going to revolt again. Syria already is. Africa is in complete chaos. Azerbaijan is revolting and fighting as we speak.
Where Russia is dismissing all these conflicts as "small things" it is adding up. They aren't going to make it! And where I already am pitying the prideful and overly ambitious Russians because they really don't understand what is coming due to their actions....and it is not going to be pretty.
 

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Fail. Washington says fight till the last Ukrainian life, money is no problem.
Actually, have read western intelligence is now pushing the view the Ukrainians, UAF, are incompetent, not the arms they are given.
Also read US fears visions of destroyed Abrams tanks on the battle fields, not a good image to come for US armed forces.


You realize the Biden promise of Abrams are not in the field yet? They will not be the new Super Abrams .....Abrams are manufactured in one location. On upgrades an old Abrams is brought in and stripped down to the chassis. What was promised is the old original. No new bells and whistles ......Therefore, nothing for the bad guys to study if any are disabled in the weeds........

The F-16's will be the same ....whatever model is flying.....no upgrades ....The guys to watch are Israel. They come in, study the schematics and upgrade everything. While our guys were riding in unprotected Humvees .......Israel was having real military equipment manufactured for their forces ....
 

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So please explain The Holomodor.

Why did Reagan view the USSR as a great evil?

Those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
The Ukranians just want to live. They want to farm their lands and sell their crops without Russian interference.
Ukranians didn't start this war.
Ukranians never invaded Russia.
Ukranians are not guilty of stealing from Russia.
Ukranians didn't have much of a military before the Russian invasion.

And above in a post I have direct quotes from Putin himself about his goals and desires...and it doesn't involve letting the Ukranians live.
Why should the USA not keep their promises to the Ukranians? Because if the only reason is that Russia wants their lands...that's not a sufficient reason to not keep our promise to that nation.

Joe Biden and his cronies might lie and be war profiteers. That's politicians. You might believe whatever you want about Zelensky...it really is not my concern. But I will say that they are being successful with their style of warfare. It's not fast...it's not showy...but it's what they are great at.

The Ukranians are practicing attritional, asymmetric warfare. And it works for them. Russia has too much of a huge military machine...they can't stop this sort of warfare. Well, they could, but are unwilling to deal with the consequences for doing so. (It would mean their complete annihilation)

Russia's track record under Putin is well known around the world. It's not a secret or even obscured in the slightest. We know Putin's intentions. The whole world knows Putin's intentions.
This is why the whole world supports Ukraine...especially former Soviet Bloc nations.

Russia is not going to win this. The WHOLE WORLD has risen up against Russia to help Ukraine.
If Russia were to surrender today they could survive this. I doubt they will...but the Ruble might actually be worth something and the Russian people won't starve.
It's going to be like when Gorbachev had to break up Russia all over again before its over. Georgia is going to revolt again. Syria already is. Africa is in complete chaos. Azerbaijan is revolting and fighting as we speak.
Where Russia is dismissing all these conflicts as "small things" it is adding up. They aren't going to make it! And where I already am pitying the prideful and overly ambitious Russians because they really don't understand what is coming due to their actions....and it is not going to be pretty.
It's a stupid War and that's a fact !

Reagan ? I viewed the USSR as a great evil !
Even Putin has pointed it all out as a great evil form the beginning of the Wall coming down, but we have total morons making claims that Russia is still Communist, it's a total Lie !

All that Biden has done is create everything stupid to happen, he created all this nonsense and is driving Russia into defending it's self in fact and creating a monster with China and NK and Russia ! No one could be so stupid !

Ukraine is a joke played on the world and the people of Ukraine are being shafted in fact, their is nothing in it for them now of the future in fact ! and most people are to stupid to be able to see the facts. because you only listen to the MSM and have no brain capacity to think things out for yourself as to what is really going on in this dealing, the real game that is being played in fact and not the smoke and mirrors ?
Fact is that the People of Ukraine did not need this War at all ! but it was forced on them by Joe Biden in fact !
It was Joe Biden who wanted this War in fact and he created it and forced Putin's hand in fact, that was Biden's intent !

Fact is that the people who lived in the east of Ukraine, that we see the War taking place, could all be solved by a Vote in fact, but No ! Hell no ! because they all know for a fact that Russia would win the Vote easy by 80% of the people who live in the area in fact ! Wake up ! this is a fact ! you are being totally fooled by spin peddled by a low life whore media. not to mention just look at the War on Trump to see what a whore we are dealing with on the home front, it's all total BS being spun on Trump in fact and it's like in the Stalin era that is going on against Trump ! Trump did nothing wrong ! and the Stalinist have Stole the election from Trump in fact. you can see that if you understand the history of Stalin.

Biden is empowering all of the Nations against the USA with low life cunning tactics. I can see what he is truly doing he is a communist in fact ! and it's the middle working Class that Biden is undermining for a start and the lower Class to fail and the upper Class to fail as well, it's all going to plan ! it's all coming together for the Satanist to dominate the World !

Look Biden and Co are working to get Iran Nuclear weapons, that's their intent bud ! and he is pushing Russia towards China and NK ! who is responsible for all that, Jo Biden is helping all that crap to go a head in fact, how moronic can one get ! He is creating enemy's against the USA !
Biden is trying to bankrupt the USA !
Biden is trying everything he can to corrupt the people of the USA, Children in schools undergo a freak show of brainwashing much like that of Nazi Germany was in fact, so as to create a moronic generation of kids that know no better and will not listen too reason ? they have a set agenda rammed into them.

You do not want to push Russia to the point that they may put the world back into the stone age, and they can do it bud, so don't be so stupid !
Russia was doing just fine and coming along fine with the rest of the world all was good ! but for Joe Biden and the Communist so called Democratic Socialist low life grub morons who tried to undermine the Russian Government and place their own Dupe into power, with some gay filth mongering Anti-Christ moronic dingbat. Just like they did in Ukraine !
Zeleskyy is a queer filthy grub not to mention the Butcher of Ukraine. who rejects the people the right to a Vote in fact ! look out for such people !
I want people to have the right to Vote ! and free and fair elections open and accountable, not War !

I know that the world is being played for fools ! bring on the Vote !
 
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You realize the Biden promise of Abrams are not in the field yet? They will not be the new Super Abrams .....Abrams are manufactured in one location. On upgrades an old Abrams is brought in and stripped down to the chassis. What was promised is the old original. No new bells and whistles ......Therefore, nothing for the bad guys to study if any are disabled in the weeds........

The F-16's will be the same ....whatever model is flying.....no upgrades ....The guys to watch are Israel. They come in, study the schematics and upgrade everything. While our guys were riding in unprotected Humvees .......Israel was having real military equipment manufactured for their forces ....
The image of multiple destroyed Abrams is not a good one to be seeing, from a military POV for US standing in the world as the tank is supposed to be really great in the public perception, even downgraded from what they could be.
 

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The image of multiple destroyed Abrams is not a good one to be seeing, from a military POV for US standing in the world as the tank is to be really great in the public perception, even downgraded from what they could be.

True, however, I could not understand why there was a huge delivery gap when promised, yet the Army had just received word of the new Super Abrams being approved. That should have meant hundreds of tanks destined for National Guard Units. Then found that the tank is built to tear down to the chassis and put the new deadlier tank on top .....A way to save money.

Then, the F-16 is so complicated and far superior to anything flown .....it takes months to train the Ukrainian Pilots to fly them .....F-35's and F-22's would have taken a lot longer for them to learn ....