Uncovering the Devil's Strategy

[Dash RipRock]

you have no credibility

All of God's Word has credibility and I hope someday you learn to start accepting all that the Lord says.

It's doubtful that people indoctrinated by doctrines of demons will ever recover themselves from the snare of the devil.

Thank you for sharing your erroneous opinion and proving my point

 

[marks]

All of God's Word has credibility

Of course it does, and that doesn't relate to what I said. If your manner of handling the Scriptures is the same as you manner of reading people's posts, well, that makes a certain sense.

Much love!

 

[Dash RipRock]

Of course it does

Well let this be a lesson to you young man - always eat your vegetables and always remember that ALL of God's Word is credible

 

[Lizbeth]

I think he was referring to unintentional sins before he was fully sanctified when the battle takes place but which is to cease.

I agree but the point is that this indicates he was sanctified in the inner man, the new man, which delighted in the law of God, while still doing battle with the old man of the flesh. Rom 7:25 says with the mind he was serving God, but the flesh was still serving the law of sin. So I was just saying I think the Gnostics were right on that particular point (even though they err in the main).

Flesh means more than the body.

Yes I agree....I usually mean the whole package of the fallen old man flesh nature when I say flesh, which includes our bodies. The fallen nature resides in our fallen bodies of flesh...this is why our bodies need to "put on immortality" in the end...to become spiritual. (Soul and body exist as a unit...this is why Jesus said to fear Him who can destroy body and soul). The redemption of our soul means the redemption of our bodies in the end. But while we are alive in the body we need to put the old man of the flesh, including our fleshly bodies, under our feet. To walk above it all, so to speak. Render it inert, reckon it dead. I think that is what walking in the spirit means. We can still go in and out of the spirit until/unless that flesh nature (including the body) is finally and permanently put under our/Christ's feet being conquered, overcome, and ruled over by Christ in us. I think that is also the imagery in Rev. of the woman, bride of Christ/heavenly Zion, with the moon under her feet....she has overcome, is victorious, over her old nature and flesh . I hope I'm making sense and expressing it properly, my brain is not terribly awake this morning.

 

[MatthewG]

I agree but the point is that this indicates he was sanctified in the inner man, the new man, which delighted in the law of God, while still doing battle with the old man of the flesh. Rom 7:25 says with the mind he was serving God, but the flesh was still serving the law of sin. So I was just saying I think the Gnostics were right on that particular point (even though they err in the main).


Yes I agree....I usually mean the whole package of the fallen old man flesh nature when I say flesh, which includes our bodies. The fallen nature resides in our fallen bodies of flesh...this is why our bodies need to "put on immortality" in the end...to become spiritual. (Soul and body exist as a unit...this is why Jesus said to fear Him who can destroy body and soul). The redemption of our soul means the redemption of our bodies in the end. But while we are alive in the body we need to put the old man of the flesh, including our fleshly bodies, under our feet. To walk above it all, so to speak. Render it inert, reckon it dead. I think that is what walking in the spirit means. We can still go in and out of the spirit until/unless that flesh nature (including the body) is finally and permanently put under our/Christ's feet being conquered, overcome, and ruled over by Christ in us. I think that is also the imagery in Rev. of the woman, bride of Christ/heavenly Zion, with the moon under her feet....she has overcome, is victorious, over her old nature and flesh . I hope I'm making sense and expressing it properly, my brain is not terribly awake this morning.

It's the sin in me that wants to do the bad. ^_^ While in my inner man I want to do good, I still fail.

The only one whom will hit the mark for us is Jesus. Faithfully looking towards what he did which NONE other has ever been able to do.

I think we forget that somtimes.

Also I was watching this yesterday:

 

[marks]

Well let this be a lesson to you young man - always eat your vegetables and always remember that ALL of God's Word is credible

And you still refuse to acknowledge the Scriptures I've shown to you. Your deflections may amuse yourself. But they don't bring you to truth.

Much love!

 

[Dash RipRock]

And you still refuse to acknowledge the Scriptures I've shown to you

The passages you speak of are conditional upon one abiding IN Christ walking in the Spirit instead of the flesh.

That's the part the eternal security crowd fails to understand as that falsely claim people can live in sin and still be saved.

Wake up son, you're on the wrong side of eternity!

 

[marks]

The passages you speak of are conditional upon one abiding IN Christ walking in the Spirit instead of the flesh.

You need to revisist those passages, and read them for what they actually say. And stop adding to them! Your words do not equal God's words.

So long as you think you have to keep yourself saved you will remain fallen from grace.

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

So long as you think you have to keep yourself saved you will remain fallen from grace.

This is carnal reasoning. Sin separates us from God. Repentance brings God's mercy. If you think salvation is unconditional then you are anti-law...basically lawless. Grace gives us the power to walk in accordance with God's law.

 

[marks]

This is carnal reasoning.

No, this is plainly stated Scripture. You either believe it or disbelieve it. There is no question about what the words tell us. Many will add and take away, but I suggest we pay attention to what God says, no adding or removing.

Sin separates us from God.

Absolutely True.

Repentance brings God's mercy.

Amen!

There is one more point that needs to be made. Jesus reconciles us to God.

If you think salvation is unconditional then you are anti-law...basically lawless.

Conditional in what way?

John wrote that as many as received Jesus, believing in His name, to them God gave the right to be born from Him. So, there is a condition.

Whether someone recognizes whatever conditions you have in mind, it's non-sequitor to declare them lawless, or anti-law.

Grace gives us the power to walk in accordance with God's law.

Do you promote the Mosaic Law for all the redeemed?

God gives us power, not some "star wars" kind of force called "grace". Jesus in me is who empowers me to walk according to His will.

Much love!

 

[Dash RipRock]

Sin separates us from God.

These people think they can live in sin and still be saved and that sin does not separate us from the Lord.

According to Gal 6:7,8 they are mocking God because their claim if we sow to the flesh we do not reap corruption.

They do this because they are speaking in behalf of the devil and are too ignorant of scripture and void of the Holy Spirit to even realize they have been deceived.

 

[marks]

These people think they can live in sin and still be saved and that sin does not separate us from the Lord.

According to Gal 6:7,8 they are mocking God because their claim if we sow to the flesh we do not reap corruption.

They do this because they are speaking in behalf of the devil and are too ignorant of scripture and void of the Holy Spirit to even realize they have been deceived.

I've been coming to realize how many of your posts are simply pejorative of others. Not good.

Much love!