Understanding MPD/DID & SRA/MK

[Grailhunter]

I've seen some pages on FB in the past that were obviously traffickers. They post photos of women and girls... and it will often be a man sharing photos and all sorts of pervs commenting. FB will shut down free speech when it comes to politics, but they don't care about child porn or trafficking.

I have a question for you. I have been doing a little research into the history and processes of the department of education here in the United States. Now most of the founders of the American education system were phycologists that actually produced their own forms of mind and behavioral manipulations, that were tailor
made for children.

But after looking at some the MKULTRA process and procedures, there seems to be similarities. Now is it just that mind and behavior manipulations are similar, or do you think that MKULTRA technics have been used on our children for the last several decades. I have been able to do some interviews with some teachers and principles and superintendents and they are concerned that there is a push at all levels of public schools for curriculums that teach communism and atheism and counter culture. What do you think?

 

[lilygrace]

Lily, I can imagine what youare dealing with right now. But God is revealing these things to you. Talk to Him about them. It's tough, but He has reasons for taking us through to understand more about our own lives and histories. His reason is deliverance from any power or control over our lives apart from Him. Big hugs....

*Hugs* it's hard to talk to him ... I don't know what to say when i don't know if I'm making stuff up

I don't know what to say, Lilygrace....sometimes the feeling of helplessness seems overwhelming dealing with these horrors. It makes me so very glad that God has appointed a day of Judgement. Come quickly Lord Jesus.

My friend thinks it's just a site with leaked information. He didn't see it though

 

[Jostler]

I have a question for you. I have been doing a little research into the history and processes of the department of education here in the United States. Now most of the founders of the American education system were phycologists that actually produced their own forms of mind and behavioral manipulations, that were tailor
made for children.

But after looking at some the MKULTRA process and procedures, there seems to be similarities. Now is it just that mind and behavior manipulations are similar, or do you think that MKULTRA technics have been used on our children for the last several decades. I have been able to do some interviews with some teachers and principles and superintendents and they are concerned that there is a push at all levels of public schools for curriculums that teach communism and atheism and counter culture. What do you think?

The connections are unmistakable. The whole foundation of modern psychology is built upon a foundation of rivers of blood spilled by MK-Ultra experimentation, and it's predecessor programs. And yes, they are using what they learned to infiltrate education and manipulate the minds of our children...and us as adults as well.

 

[TLHKAJ]

@Grailhunter I definitely see public schools as a tool to steer the minds of society. They couple that with media. And it is very effective. But that is nowhere near the level of mind control that happens with trauma-based mind control.

 

[Jostler]

*Hugs* it's hard to talk to him ... I don't know what to say when i don't know if I'm making stuff up


My friend thinks it's just a site with leaked information. He didn't see it though

Lily, God is well able to handle the things that confuse us. Sometimes all we can do is take our confusion into His presence...and ask Him to clarify our understanding. He is the One Who is revealing this information to you. He has a purpose in it. I can understand in general why He has done it...but only He can truly explain to you personally how to apply it and grow from it.

 

[Jostler]

Every survivor i know of is being hit hard with new, confusing situations and trials....it's a pattern. The Lord seems very focused on driving deeply into the pain...He will use it to heal, restore and deliver...but the process is still very difficult while under way....

 

[TLHKAJ]

've received more kindness from atheists than I have from many who profess Christ

I have said this so many times. And get, there are a small few true Christians who have His heart.

 

[Grailhunter]

@Grailhunter I definitely see public schools as a tool to steer the minds of society. They couple that with media. And it is very effective. But that is nowhere near the level of mind control that happens with trauma-based mind control.

I get that they are not using the same level.
Then if you looked up the founders of the American Education System you might find them interesting
Benjamin Bloom
Ivan Petrovich Pavlov
B.F. Skinner
John Dewey
Edward Thorndike

 

[Jostler]

some have left the forum recently...due to the pressure. Some are isolating ....God will handle it. He has called many survivors into His presence and service. I am aware many survivors are here, saying little openly for fear of being wounded again by immature, hateful christians...which this site is full of. God is doing many things here, including trying to heal the minds of those who are full of the words of God....but do not know the Word.

 

[Jostler]

that probably seemed like a "random" post...it was not. In this season, our only bet is to take everything into His presence....our confusion, rage, depression, pain and desire to isolate....whatever we are confronted with....and ask Him how to understand all that is happening in us.

 

[Jostler]

There is coming a time when "community" support will be much more effective than it is now. The Body, ministering to itself in love. Right now we're not at the levels of maturity, corporately, for that to proceed as smoothly as it will once He has manifested the maturity He promised will come to the Body ( Ephesians 4 and 5) It's coming..

 

[Jostler]

This thread, the topic, the people He has called to it....all very much on my mind today. I need a bite to eat, so I'm going to fix that and pray in tongues over all this. There is much that needs saying.....it's time, I just need the proper way to say it....back in a couple of hrs..
..

 

[lilygrace]

Yes, and the Lord has blessed me by bringing these precious holy ones into my life at various times. You know where I'm coming from, no doubt.

This world of men is not the image of the invisible God and so I've come to understand that religion, even in the name of Jesus Christ the express image of the invisible God, is not from Him nor of Him. I've witnessed horrendous evil perpetrated under the sun in His holy name and there was a time in my ignorance when I believed this was done with His approval. That is, until the Lord called to me for the first time...

And I heard His voice realizing that Christ Himself spoke to me, the One who fashioned me by His hand. In that moment I loved Him with abandon, but I still couldn't understand the evil I've witnessed with these eyes for the words of His mouth were too much for me to bear. In that moment His Spirit spoke of everything that would come to pass over decades of time and I could scarcely believe the Lord was speaking to me, let alone that He chose to reveal these things to one so unworthy and worthless like myself. He even said I would forget Him but He would never forget me. I am forever His possession and I belong to no other, not even myself.

I forgot about Him just like He said I would. The Lord was there many years later when I begged Him for death, pleading with Him to destroy me because I couldn't bear another moment on this earth. It wasn't for lack of trying on my part! I tried and failed, again and again. The Lord knows what I've seen and perhaps this is why Christ chooses to reveal Himself to those who have seen what we've seen and experienced what we've endured.

I know I'm not the only one.

i have asked God for death. many other christians are not open to this prayer and bbeing honest before God. going to a christian support group can be hard because instead of being open to things they suggest me getting on medicine and the psych ward. i bring up how elijah wanted to die and david wrote of his sorrows. they shut down or re cycle their thoughts of how i am not them.
i was up till almost 4 am. i am surprised im doing well today. i guess even though im struggling with God, i acknowledge he is there for me.

 

[Jostler]

Yes, and the Lord has blessed me by bringing these precious holy ones into my life at various times. You know where I'm coming from, no doubt.

This world of men is not the image of the invisible God and so I've come to understand that religion, even in the name of Jesus Christ the
I know I'm not the only one.

i have asked God for death. many other christians are not open to this prayer and bbeing honest before God. going to a christian support group can be hard because instead of being open to things they suggest me getting on medicine and the psych ward. i bring up how elijah wanted to die and david wrote of his sorrows. they shut down or re cycle their thoughts of how i am not them.
i was up till almost 4 am. i am surprised im doing well today. i guess even though im struggling with God, i acknowledge he is there for me.

Beautifully said, Lily. I think most survivors spend a lot of time early in their deliverance process saying "Lord, my life doesn't feel like You love me at all right now, but I choose to trust that You are true to Your Word. I will rest in that, by faith, until understanding is revealed to me. In spite of my feelings, You are my Lord, lover of my soul.
That's real...thats honest....and He can handle it...He knows....

 

[Jostler]

one of the questions survivors always have to deal with is reconciling how our God of pure love can possibly allow the horrific things that have happened to them. How can a God of love allow anyone to be brutally, repeatedly, afflicted with sexual, deviant assaults and violatons from infancy...often beginning the day they were born? How?!
Survilvors NEED an answer because it's a very personal question. . Ask that of most Christians and they will reject you because THEY don't know the answer, and would rather castigate the questioner than admit they don't know the answer. The question is not offensive to God.... He understands where it comes from. HE CAN HANDLE IT, even if most of His people cannot. The problem i face is that the answer is based upon a variety of fundamental aspects of who He is. It's not an answer you can reduce to a soundbite and answer quickly. It takes a good bit of foundation building, coming from many various parts of Scripture to gain understanding.
But we desperately need to ALLOW the question to be asked...and humble enough to say "I don't know...." - if we don't know.

 

[lilygrace]

im afraid

 

[Jostler]

What are you afraid of, Lily?

 

[lilygrace]

I didn't know i posted that

 

[Jostler]

Hugs....it's ok Sis....God is moving.

 

[lilygrace]

sorry to be annoying but could abusers and such be obsessed with touching the victim's head or patting it? idk.