Unethical mRNA Vaccine - Input from a Biochemist.

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You can take your advise from the government, media, big pharma, Bill Gates and take the pseudo-science injections
I read the scientific literature, immunologists, biochemists, physicians, et al. People who actually know what they are talking about. Or you can take your advice from other sources...
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I'll go with the guys who actually know about it. In the long run, natural selection will take care of it, just as it took care of deniers for smallpox vaccinations. But a lot of innocent people will die as a result.
 
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I read the scientific literature, immunologists, biochemists, physicians, et al. People who actually know what they are talking about. Or you can take your advice from other sources...
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I'll go with the guys who actually know about it. In the long run, natural selection will take care of it, just as it took care of deniers for smallpox vaccinations. But a lot of innocent people will die as a result.

You listened to the people with the conflict of interests, media (paid by big pharma), big pharma (supplying the needles), Bill Gates (invested), Fauci (invested), governments (invested). Conflict of interests is a massive red flag for a pseudo-science, just like the atheists pushing ToE. But you are blind to scientific red flags

I listened to my doctors. They advised me not to take the experimental syringes, they have long treated me, they know my personal health situation, they know best, not those other sources that have conflict of interests

What happened violated international law, in particular the Nuremberg Code that says no medical treatment can be forced or coerced onto a person. So they are actually all criminals in effect

Another red flag was this.
Many scientists and doctors that had different opinions to the mainstream narrative were silenced and some had their licences taken away from them.
Do you think that's right?
Is that that how science supposed to work?
 
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I read the scientific literature, immunologists, biochemists, physicians, et al. People who actually know what they are talking about. Or you can take your advice from other sources...
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I'll go with the guys who actually know about it. In the long run, natural selection will take care of it, just as it took care of deniers for smallpox vaccinations. But a lot of innocent people will die as a result.
The Holy Spirit said to me that the doctors on TV are of Satan pool of demons. That was Fauci, Birx,, and others. The US Surgeon General disputed their words. God does not lie. Jeremiah 17:5 -
Thus says the Lord,
“Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind
And makes flesh his strength,
And whose heart turns away from the Lord.
 

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The Holy Spirit said to me that the doctors on TV are of Satan pool of demons.
You seem to believe that. But it's not very convincing, given the facts. Lots of people believe that God has told them various things. Can you show us you're different?

Why should we trust in you?
 

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You believe that. But it's not very convincing, given the facts. Lots of people believe that God has told them various things. Can you show us you're different?

Why should we trust in you?
I don't need to. I tell people what Lord tells me. Believe it or don't. It is in the visions and dreams forum. I saw the vision and heard the Holy Spirit speaking.
 

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I read the scientific literature, immunologists, biochemists, physicians, et al. People who actually know what they are talking about. Or you can take your advice from other sources, conflicts of interest.
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I'll go with the guys who actually know about it. In the long run, natural selection will take care of it, just as it took care of deniers for smallpox vaccinations. But a lot of innocent people will die as a result.

You listened to the people with the conflict of interests, media (paid by big pharma), big pharma (supplying the needles), Bill Gates (invested), Fauci (invested), governments (invested).
The first thing pseudo-science people tell you is "everyone else is lying." Show us that the people leading you on, are different. And no, I'm not buying the story that all those physicians and health departments are lying.

Many scientists and doctors that had different opinions to the mainstream narrative were silenced and some had their licences taken away from them.
Show us that. Let's look at those cases.
CHICAGO — The American Medical Association (AMA) today released a new survey (PDF) among practicing physicians that shows more than 96 percent of surveyed U.S. physicians have been fully vaccinated for COVID-19, with no significant difference in vaccination rates across regions. Of the physicians who are not yet vaccinated, an additional 45 percent do plan to get vaccinated.

The national AMA survey is the first to specifically collect data on practicing physicians’ COVID-19 vaccination rates. The survey was conducted June 3–8 and showed an increase of more than 20 percent for physicians who have been fully vaccinated for COVID-19 compared to a May 2021 Medscape poll.


So about 97.8% of physicians have looked at the evidence and think it's a good idea to be vaccinated to the point that they became vaccinated. Who would be foolish enough to go against odds like that?

Is that that how science supposed to work?

Yep.
 

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So about 97.8% of physicians have looked at the evidence and think it's a good idea to be vaccinated to the point that they became vaccinated. Who would be foolish enough to go against odds like that?

Again your using data from sources that have a conflict of interests.
My doctor knows what's best for me.
Not you or anyone else.

98% of scientists thought lobotomy was a good practice. They were wrong

98% of people thought the earth was flat.
They were wrong.

So your 98% claim is a very poor argument.
Science should always be questioned


You think its right to cancel doctors for having a different opinion.
Ha that just shows how much you know about science. Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Your anti science. :Laughingoutloud:

Claims of infallibility is pseudo-science red flag.
Silencing opposing opinions is a pseudo-science red flag.
Conflict of interests is a pseudo-science red flag.
Invested parties is a pseudo-science red flag.
Breaking the law is a pseudo-science red flag.

You should learn the pseudo-science red flags by Karl Popper, he knew how science was to be conducted.
Cos your a real sucker for pseudo-science.
I notice that's all you ever talk about on this forum.
 
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98% of scientists thought lobotomy was a good practice. They were wrong
Show us your data on that.

Once studied, findings were troubling. However, some individuals had poor opinions of lobotomies such as members of the medical community. For example, in 1941, the American Medical Association (AMA) panel issued a warning regarding lobotomies. The AMA cited negative effects of lobotomies on personality such as lack of initiative, inappropriate social behavior, and apathy.

98% of people thought the earth was flat.
They were wrong.
That's a common misconception. The ancients knew that the Earth was a sphere. A few hundred years before Christ was born, Eratosthenes actually came up with a very accurate measure of its circumference.

So your 98% claim is a very poor argument.
When 97.8% of physicians agree on a medical issue, it would take a very strong resistance to reality to disagree with them.

You think its right to cancel doctors for having a different opinion.
No. I just think it's foolish to believe 2.2% of doctors rather than the 97.8% of them.

Ha that just shows how much you know about science. Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
I used to teach science at the college level. You're wrong about that, too. See above. That's how I knew your assumptions were wrong.

You should learn the pseudo-science red flags by Karl Popper, he knew how science was to be conducted.
Then you'd probably want to know that Popper concluded that Evolutionary theory was scientific. Do you know why?

Cos your a real sucker for pseudo-science.
Maybe one of us is. See examples above.
 
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Then you'd probably want to know that Popper concluded that Evolutionary theory was scientific. Do you know why?

Karl Popper rejected ToE. They abused him because of it and forced him to retract his opinions threatening him. Very unscientific. After he died he left writings confirming that he really did not regard ToE as being scientific at all. He rejected it for being unobservable, untestable and unscientific

No. I just think it's foolish to believe 2.2% of doctors rather than the 97.8% of them

Your data comes from corrupt sources with huge conflicts of interests. And inaccurate given the doctors were threatened with loss of license for not following the mainstream narrative.

My doctors know my health situation best.
Others know nothing about my health and should not be forcing me to take anything.

Ultimately it is illegal under international law to coerce anyone into a medical treatment and it is illegal to discriminate against anyone who hasn't had a medical treatment.
That's my main objection.
They are criminals for doing that.
Also the withholding of available treatments like ivermectin was a criminal act. That decision is for doctors to make, not governments

Take your toxic injections and
leave the rest of us in peace
 
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Karl Popper rejected ToE. They abused him because of it and forced him to retract his opinions threatening him.
If you think so, you don't have any understanding of Karl Popper at all.

I see in modern Darwinism the most successful explanation of the relevant facts. [Popper, 1957, p. 106

The Mendelian underpinning of modern Darwinism has been well tested and so has the theory of evolution which says that all terrestrial life has evolved from a few primitive unicellular organisms, possibly even from one single organism. [Popper, 1978, p. 344;

It does appear that some people think that I denied scientific character to the historical sciences, such as palaeontology, or the history of the evolution of life on Earth. This is a mistake, and I here wish to affirm that these and other historical sciences have in my opinion scientific character; their hypotheses can in many cases be tested. [Popper, 1981, p. 611]


Popper has been rather egregiously misquoted by creationists. Back to the subject...

I just think it's foolish to believe 2.2% of doctors rather than the 97.8% of them

Your data comes from corrupt sources with huge conflicts of interests.
If you consider medical journals to be corrupt sources, you've lost contact with reality. At the end, all you seem to have is "all the doctors are lying."

And inaccurate given the doctors were threatened with loss of license for not following the mainstream narrative.
But you can't show that it happened? Pretty sure why.
Ultimately it is illegal under international law to coerce anyone into a medical treatment and it is illegal to discriminate against anyone who hasn't had a medical treatment.
You're wrong about the second part. For example a person in the armed forces can refuse vaccination for any disease. But it will affect the duties to which he can be assigned.

They are criminals for doing that.
It's been adjudicated. The law is what it is.
They are criminals for doing that.
No, that's wrong.
Also the withholding of available treatments like ivermectin was a criminal act. That decision is for doctors to make
They did make that decision.

WASHINGTON, DC – The American Medical Association (AMA), American Pharmacists Association (APhA), and American Society of Health-System Pharmacists (ASHP) strongly oppose the ordering, prescribing, or dispensing of ivermectin to prevent or treat COVID-19 outside of a clinical trial.

Ivermectin is approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for human use to treat infections caused by internal and external parasites. It is not approved to prevent or treat COVID-19. Ivermectin is also available to treat certain veterinary conditions; medications formulated or intended for use in animals should not be used by humans. We are alarmed by reports that outpatient prescribing for and dispensing of ivermectin have increased 24-fold since before the pandemic and increased exponentially over the past few months. As such, we are calling for an immediate end to the prescribing, dispensing, and use of ivermectin for the prevention and treatment of COVID-19 outside of a clinical trial. In addition, we are urging physicians, pharmacists, and other prescribers—trusted health care professionals in their communities—to warn patients against the use of ivermectin outside of FDA-approved indications and guidance, whether intended for use in humans or animals, as well as purchasing ivermectin from online stores. Veterinary forms of this medication are highly concentrated for large animals and pose a significant toxicity risk for humans.

AMA, APhA, ASHP statement on ending use of ivermectin to treat COVID-19

Why the Right Still Embraces Ivermectin

Five years after the pandemic began, interest in the anti-parasitic drug is rising again as right-wing influencers promote it — and spread misinformation about it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/31/us/ivermectin-conservatives-influencers.html

Take your toxic injections and
leave the rest of us in peace
As I said, natural selection will eventually take care of this, just as it did when smallpox vaccinations were first developed.
 
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If you think so, you don't have any understanding of Karl Popper at all.

I see in modern Darwinism the most successful explanation of the relevant facts. [Popper, 1957, p. 106

The Mendelian underpinning of modern Darwinism has been well tested and so has the theory of evolution which says that all terrestrial life has evolved from a few primitive unicellular organisms, possibly even from one single organism. [Popper, 1978, p. 344;

It does appear that some people think that I denied scientific character to the historical sciences, such as palaeontology, or the history of the evolution of life on Earth. This is a mistake, and I here wish to affirm that these and other historical sciences have in my opinion scientific character; their hypotheses can in many cases be tested. [Popper, 1981, p. 611]


Popper has been rather egregiously misquoted by creationists. Back to the subject...

I just think it's foolish to believe 2.2% of doctors rather than the 97.8% of them


If you consider medical journals to be corrupt sources, you've lost contact with reality. At the end, all you seem to have is "all the doctors are lying."


But you can't show that it happened? Pretty sure why.

You're wrong about the second part. For example a person in the armed forces can refuse vaccination for any disease. But it will affect the duties to which he can be assigned.


It's been adjudicated. The law is what it is.

No, that's wrong.

They did make that decision.

WASHINGTON, DC – The American Medical Association (AMA), American Pharmacists Association (APhA), and American Society of Health-System Pharmacists (ASHP) strongly oppose the ordering, prescribing, or dispensing of ivermectin to prevent or treat COVID-19 outside of a clinical trial.

Ivermectin is approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for human use to treat infections caused by internal and external parasites. It is not approved to prevent or treat COVID-19. Ivermectin is also available to treat certain veterinary conditions; medications formulated or intended for use in animals should not be used by humans. We are alarmed by reports that outpatient prescribing for and dispensing of ivermectin have increased 24-fold since before the pandemic and increased exponentially over the past few months. As such, we are calling for an immediate end to the prescribing, dispensing, and use of ivermectin for the prevention and treatment of COVID-19 outside of a clinical trial. In addition, we are urging physicians, pharmacists, and other prescribers—trusted health care professionals in their communities—to warn patients against the use of ivermectin outside of FDA-approved indications and guidance, whether intended for use in humans or animals, as well as purchasing ivermectin from online stores. Veterinary forms of this medication are highly concentrated for large animals and pose a significant toxicity risk for humans.

AMA, APhA, ASHP statement on ending use of ivermectin to treat COVID-19

Why the Right Still Embraces Ivermectin

Five years after the pandemic began, interest in the anti-parasitic drug is rising again as right-wing influencers promote it — and spread misinformation about it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/31/us/ivermectin-conservatives-influencers.html


As I said, natural selection will eventually take care of this, just as it did when smallpox vaccinations were first developed.

Your wrong about Popper. He rejected ToE

But that's fine y'all can take whatever toxic injections that you want

As long as the the government don't act like criminals like they did during covid and just leave us alone then I don't really care
 
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If you think so, you don't have any understanding of Karl Popper at all.

I see in modern Darwinism the most successful explanation of the relevant facts. [Popper, 1957, p. 106

The Mendelian underpinning of modern Darwinism has been well tested and so has the theory of evolution which says that all terrestrial life has evolved from a few primitive unicellular organisms, possibly even from one single organism. [Popper, 1978, p. 344;

It does appear that some people think that I denied scientific character to the historical sciences, such as palaeontology, or the history of the evolution of life on Earth. This is a mistake, and I here wish to affirm that these and other historical sciences have in my opinion scientific character; their hypotheses can in many cases be tested. [Popper, 1981, p. 611]


Popper has been rather egregiously misquoted by creationists. Back to the subject...

I just think it's foolish to believe 2.2% of doctors rather than the 97.8% of them


If you consider medical journals to be corrupt sources, you've lost contact with reality. At the end, all you seem to have is "all the doctors are lying."


But you can't show that it happened? Pretty sure why.

You're wrong about the second part. For example a person in the armed forces can refuse vaccination for any disease. But it will affect the duties to which he can be assigned.


It's been adjudicated. The law is what it is.

No, that's wrong.

They did make that decision.

WASHINGTON, DC – The American Medical Association (AMA), American Pharmacists Association (APhA), and American Society of Health-System Pharmacists (ASHP) strongly oppose the ordering, prescribing, or dispensing of ivermectin to prevent or treat COVID-19 outside of a clinical trial.

Ivermectin is approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for human use to treat infections caused by internal and external parasites. It is not approved to prevent or treat COVID-19. Ivermectin is also available to treat certain veterinary conditions; medications formulated or intended for use in animals should not be used by humans. We are alarmed by reports that outpatient prescribing for and dispensing of ivermectin have increased 24-fold since before the pandemic and increased exponentially over the past few months. As such, we are calling for an immediate end to the prescribing, dispensing, and use of ivermectin for the prevention and treatment of COVID-19 outside of a clinical trial. In addition, we are urging physicians, pharmacists, and other prescribers—trusted health care professionals in their communities—to warn patients against the use of ivermectin outside of FDA-approved indications and guidance, whether intended for use in humans or animals, as well as purchasing ivermectin from online stores. Veterinary forms of this medication are highly concentrated for large animals and pose a significant toxicity risk for humans.

AMA, APhA, ASHP statement on ending use of ivermectin to treat COVID-19

Why the Right Still Embraces Ivermectin

Five years after the pandemic began, interest in the anti-parasitic drug is rising again as right-wing influencers promote it — and spread misinformation about it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/31/us/ivermectin-conservatives-influencers.html


As I said, natural selection will eventually take care of this, just as it did when smallpox vaccinations were first developed.
Smallpox was a real immunization. There is no cure for the common cold, or any virus. Covid was experimental, and did not immunize anyone.
 
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Smallpox was a real immunization.
And as you learned, so is the COVID immunization. Both of these produce a pretty good immunity. However, the smallpox immunization does have some serious contraindications. Because smallpox vaccine is a live-virus vaccine, giving the vaccine to people with certain medical conditions can cause serious infection or even death.

There is no cure for the common cold, or any virus.
Smallpox is a virus. As are measles, mumps, rubella, yellow fever, rabies etc. There are effective vaccines for all of these.

Covid was experimental
And then, after numerous trials, it was authorized by the FDA for general use. Only then was it give to the general public. Would you like me to show you that?
and did not immunize anyone.
No, that's wrong, too.

Longitudinal antibody titers measured after COVID-19 mRNA vaccination can identify individuals at risk for subsequent infection


It's not just measurable immunity in the blood. It's also the result in the population. Unvaccinated people are over ten times more likely to die of COVID infection than are vaccinated people. Would you like me to show you that, again?
 
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Smallpox was a real immunization. There is no cure for the common cold, or any virus. Covid was experimental, and did not immunize anyone.
The only reason the pandemic ended when it did was because of the vaccines and those willing to do the right thing and get them.
 
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Measles is a stable virus so that a vaccine is produced. The common cold is an unstable virus that mutates, just like the covid virus, So neither can produce a vaccine.
 
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The only reason the pandemic ended when it did was because of the vaccines and those willing to do the right thing and get them.
Those vaccines were worthless because nobody I knew got the shot, but got covid and that was thousands in my Church. Everyone who got covid, including me, got over it in 3 days. I gained lifetime immunity and those who got the shot didn't.
 
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Your wrong about Popper. He rejected ToE
Let's look again at what Popper has to say about it.

I see in modern Darwinism the most successful explanation of the relevant facts. [Popper, 1957, p. 106

The Mendelian underpinning of modern Darwinism has been well tested and so has the theory of evolution which says that all terrestrial life has evolved from a few primitive unicellular organisms, possibly even from one single organism. [Popper, 1978, p. 344;

It does appear that some people think that I denied scientific character to the historical sciences, such as palaeontology, or the history of the evolution of life on Earth. This is a mistake, and I here wish to affirm that these and other historical sciences have in my opinion scientific character; their hypotheses can in many cases be tested. [Popper, 1981, p. 611]


No, you have it wrong. Popper clearly showed that evolutionary theory is a proper scientific theory.
 

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Measles is a stable virus so that a vaccine is produced. The common cold is an unstable virus that mutates, just like the covid virus, So neither can produce a vaccine.
As you have seen, the evidence shows that even the first formulation of the COVID-19 vaccine provides pretty good protection against subsequent varieties of the virus. Would you like me to show you again?

But the new versions of COVID-19 vaccine are prepared to match new varieties, and these are even more effective.

As new COVID strains circulate in 2026, health authorities emphasize updated booster doses to sustain immunity against severe outcomes. Research dating back to the bivalent booster era illustrates the general principle: updated booster vaccines designed to target prevalent variants provide enhanced protection compared with earlier, unmatched formulations. The National Institutes of Health reported that bivalent boosters were about 37% more effective than older booster doses at reducing the risk of severe COVID-19 outcomes, such as hospitalization or death, across age groups.

 

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Those vaccines were worthless because nobody I knew got the shot, but got covid and that was thousands in my Church.
The vaccine wasn't formulated to prevent infection. It was formulated to prevent serious illness or death. And it worked very well. The COVID death rate for unvaccinated people was about ten times higher than the COVID death rate for vaccinated people.
 

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The vaccine wasn't formulated to prevent infection. It was formulated to prevent serious illness or death. And it worked very well. The COVID death rate for unvaccinated people was about ten times higher than the COVID death rate for vaccinated people.
I studies I saw showed the death rate increased for the vaccinated as covid progressed. I would love to see a study of the mortality of Christians who were unvaccinated, and I'm not talking cults either, real born again from above Christians. The Holy Spirit told me not to take it, if you have the fear of God in you, that's says more than detective studies. I said detective because scienctists are detectives, they can only find what God made in creation. Jeremiah 17:5 - Cursed is a man who trusts in man, and makes flesh his strength, whose heart departs from the Lord.
 
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