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"Orientation" is just a sneaky word for "temptation." Everyone is tempted to sin. Without temptation, there is no virtue. But! God always gives us sufficient grace to resist all sin. And we aren't animals, driven to respond to every stimulus that crosses our path. We are made in the image and likeness of God, unlike animals. We have been given the gifts of intellect and free will, by which we can think and choose to do good or evil.
Lev 18: 22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.
Adam ate a peace of fruit. and the fall of this earth was the result
God called it an abomination.
The real difference, though, is that cohabitation, fornication, divorce, and adultery are still generally recognized as sinful. The LGBTQ crowd is trying to normalize something sinful and abhorent to God, i.e., trying to make society buy into the lie that it is not only not a sin, but somehow "normal." It's bad enough that we have more sin in the world in our day, but to try to scandalize the world into thinking it's not a sin is worse. To me, the whole "LBGTQ" thing is a synthesis of all sexual perversion into one (for the same of convenience?). It doesn't make it right, in any way.
Sure, but I believe the salient points are:
Why not go back to that other forum if you want to talk about the issue then? I never saw a thread on this forum until an arrogant sick person deliberately raised the issue to provoke an argument. Some people feed off of strong reactions and controversy. It feeds his self-righteous need to feel superior to everyone else.Well, guy, you didn't accomplish THAT!You did, however, bring the usual suspects out of the woodwork. Over at another forum, they limit LGBTQ "discussions" to a single thread. Apparently, when a thread reaches 10,000 posts it technically can't continue. They are now well into their third LGBTQ thread of 10,000 posts - and literally every one looks JUST LIKE THIS.
In "real" Christianity, you are surely realizing, there is no nuance, there are no shades of gray, there is really nothing even to discuss. There is only the black-and-white perspective of the "real" Christians and that of "all the others who are wrong."
Nice try, anyway.
His focus was on himself.
They do need to repent.
Are you talking about your hand-made god?
1. Agreed. The culture has been drifting further and further from God and morality.
The points you're making are not the points you think you're making. The points you're actually making serve to illustrate the points @St. SteVen and I are making. So I thank you, on behalf of both of us.
We all have proclivities, some easy to control and some not so easy. I think of an orientation as something more fundamental - generally genetic. In attempting to lead a godly life, we may struggle with both orientations and proclivities. I've been blessed in that many of the traditional vices have never held any appeal for me at all. The best science suggests homosexuality has a genetic component, hence my use of the term orientation. Doubtless there are many other factors as well, some beyond the control of the individual. I just do not understand the knee-jerk, one-size-fits-all view of homosexuality expressed in this thread, as though they were not individuals each dealing with unique circumstances and challenges. The knee-jerkers seem to find homosexuality uniquely threatening and to put it in some special category separate and apart from the "lesser" sins of serial adultery, pornography addiction and all the rest. In almost every instance of grotesque sin, when I'm fully informed about the individual I have to say, "There but for the grace of God goes I."
I'm not so sure we can trust the science at all times these days. Many scientists, for example, sign on to the global warming theory as being caused by mankind. But, it has been claimed by many that the scientists doing the research aren't the top tier scientists. They are the middle tier scientists. And, if they don't achieve the "desired results" then they don't get paid by the government. So they have factored in random things to make sure the results are what the government agencies paying them desire. In other words, some of our science has been tainted by political goals. I suspect that the study to which you refer with regard to the cause of homosexuality could very possibly be in that category, along with global warming, et al. It would certainly fit in nicely with the political goals of those supporting and promoting it.
Correct. (given those choices)
AMEN!
I know the points I made.
The only genetic orientation is male to female and female to male.
The science is wrong.
Nothing but an excuse.
You will never understand us until you take us seriously instead of dismissing our ideas.
So homosexuality is circumstantial? I thought it was innate in your view. Try to get it straight. The circumstances and challenges of homosexuals are self-inflicted.
You have been drinking the Kool-Aid. Do you actually believe that our objection is born of fear? Sad.
Paul didn't argue that homosexuality was the most egregious or grotesque sin. He cited homosexuality as proof that God had given people over to a depraved mind and degrading passions. Those who practice homosexuality are delusional. They need help. But you don't want to help them. You wrongly believe they are okay as they are.
You are obviously another gay agenda apologist. We get them every now and again.
True story: At City-Data, a longstanding female poster immediately named me "my new favorite poster" for comments similar to those I have made here. A week later, a moderator named mensaguy banned me for being a gay-bashing Neanderthal. The fact that I am able to view issues from a nuanced perspective and cannot be pigeonholed as you attempt to do is something of which I am proud. What precisely is "another gay agenda apologist" in your mind? Who is the "we" of whom you so grandly speak?
You have mixed the apples and oranges I was attempting to separate. If you would care to search my posts, somewhere here I have made PRECISELY the distinction you are making between the LGBTQ movement and the lack of any such campaign on behalf of adulterers. But what you and others completely miss, because you are incapable of nuanced thinking, is the Rather Large distinction between the LGBTQ movement, which even many gays view with dismay, and the struggle of an individual with the homosexual orientation and how the Christian community should respond to him or her.
That's a great point. Thanks for bringing this forward.
That's it in a nutshell. Well stated.
Christians did not exist when Jesus was here. Much of the Roman Catholic doctrine was assimilated into Protestantism and is still being passed along as Christian groups continue to split off from one another. In a nutshell that is why even the independent church in your neighborhood today most probably believes that there is a trinity, dead people are alive, God is in control of everything that happens, the Four Gospels are written to Christians, and water baptism is relevant. And then there's everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them.
