That's not my term. That's a term that pre-tribs frequently use to differentiate between them and those who are in the church. Is it not a term you use?
Unlike Amillennialism, Premillennialism is based on assumptions and speculation rather than on any clear, straightforward scriptures
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Taken
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Disagree.
* His Kingdom is IN Heaven.
* He IS in the process of Adjoining Members Prepared to Be in His Earthly Kingdom.
* His Earthly Kingdom Shall come to Earth, along With His Established, Prepared, Member's.
* While Mortals still occupy the Earth, His Earthly Kingdom, and it’s Members aRE Encompassed, Within the Land Promised to Abraham…. And His Throne in JERUSALEM.
* His Kingdom Limited to Abraham’s Promised Land, Remains Limited for 1,000 years.
* After the 1,000 years have Expired, other Events Occur…and Ultimately…the Whole Earth, Becomes Adjoined with the Kingdom of Heaven..
^ That Has Not Yet Occurred.
* Men joining, becoming Members of Christs Church, Are they, being prepared to Meet the Lord in the Clouds, Return to Earth With the Lord, and Occupy The Lord Earthly ( Land Bound) Kingdom.. AND Be Witness and Members when The Whole of Earth becomes Gods Kingdom.
Matt 6:10
[10] Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Neither the Lord or His Earthly Kingdom has come.
I am NOT “in” His Kingdom.
I am on Earth, His Kingdom has not Yet come to Earth.
I am “rather… IN Christ”.
Christ IS not His Kingdom.
Christ IS the King of His Kingdom, to Become Revealed / Manifested WHEN particular prophecies, promises, Have Become Fulfilled.
Taken
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So, you do not believe that you have been delivered from the power of darkness and translated into Christ's kingdom? He is not your King?
Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
That's hard to believe. The term "trib saints" or "tribulation saints" is used frequently by many pre-tribs. Do you believe that those who are saved during the tribulation are "in Christ" and part of the church?
Taken
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Taken
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No effect on me what you believe.
Becoming a SAINT… is by Gods Power.
A mortal Becoming a SAINT… First REQUIRES…a bodily Death.
What Dead men Saints are Present and Bodily / Mortally Alive on Earth during the Trib?
I know of none.
I believe Those Mortally alive ON Earth, during the Trib. Who heartfully Believe IN God, In Jesus, and willing to Mortally bodily die for and in their belief…shall mortally die, shall be soul saved, their saved soul departed, risen to heaven, BY God…
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1 Thes. 4:
14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
And their bodies risen in Glory during the First Resurrection.
Saved during the Trib…”in Christ”? No.
The Bride of Christ? No
Betrothed to Christ? No
Risen up by Christ? (rapture)? No.
Souls Saved during the Trib. by God? Yes
Primarily ISRAEL (Gods People)? Yes
Physical body’s die? Yes
Raised by God, First Resurrection? Yes.
God's people are not determined by nationality, but rather on whether or not someone has faith in Christ.
Romans 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Jesus, whose resurrection was the first resurrection, was raised by God the Father from the dead.
Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
Taken
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Too deep for ya?
Isa 45:
[17] But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
[25] In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
Are YOU “the seed of ISRAEL” ?
I am not.
I am a Gentile, “included in and kept In Gods Salvation Offering… by, Through, Of, “IN” …Christ”… and shall be “Redeemed” By Christ, Before the Trib..
God shall Save His People ISRAEL…(As He Promised)
Do you See the Tribes of ISRAEL Flocking to accept Christs Salvation??
They suffer …during the Trib. During the Seals Judgement… the wrath of the Lamb, which ISRAEL (broadly) Rejected His Offering of Salvation, to be made Saved… IN Christ.
Not complicated…
Taken
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Nationality?… carnal speech.
God divided numerous things in the beginning… including ISRAEL (Gods People) and Gentiles.(not Gods people).
Salvation provision … was offered By God, First to ISRAEL (Gods People)… (broadly rejected)… Then Offered to All men. Gentiles jumped on board… ISRAEL …broadly still hesitant.
God will saved His people ISRAEL.
Salvation to All is Offered and Effected Through CHRIST.
Once ANY man (ISRAEL or GENTILE)…IS Saved… the distinction of ISRAEL / GENTILE is Fulfilled, and those Terms extinct… unnecessary…as ALL Saved ARE children of God, they Gods Children, God Their Father, God Their God.
You have the most convoluted theology ever invented by man.
1. The Bible says we have been grafted into 'an Israeli tree' (Romans 9-11). Is that an ethnic or spiritual tree?
2. The Bible says we who were once aliens from the "citizenship of Israel" have now been brought in through the blood of Christ to that privileged place (Ephesians 2). Is that ethnic or spiritual Israel?
3. The Bible says that Jew and Gentile alike, have now been graciously merged together into "the Israel of God" (Galatians 6:15-16). Is that ethnic or spiritual Israel?
4. The Bible says we are 'Jews' and we are "the circumcision" today (Romans 2:25-29; Philippians 3:3 and Colossians 2:11). Is that ethnic or spiritual Jews?
5. The Bible says we are "the children of Abraham" (Romans 4:11; 4:13-15; 4:16-18; 9:6-8; Galatians 3:7-9; 3:12-14; 3:16 and 3:26-29) today. Are we the ethnic or spiritual "children of Abraham"?
6. The Bible says we now reside and abide in "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion" (Matthew 21:42-46; John 3:3; Romans 9:33; 11:26; Ephesians 1:3; Ephesians 2:4-6; Philippians 3:20; Hebrews 12:22 and 1 Peter 2:5-10). Is that natural physical earthly "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion" or is that spiritual heavenly "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion"?
Taken
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Not a mystery…
If it is The Lord God Almighty’s Works…
Forgiving, Saving, Quickening, whatever… it is Spiritual… for He IS Spirit.
His Works, transforms the Natural to Spiritual!
The Earth will still be called Earth… but become Made Spiritual… as is heaven … and it’s Occupants Made Spiritual.
It's too bad that you deny what scripture teaches.
Romans 9:6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.
Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Why can't you understand what is written in passages like these? What you're saying blatantly contradicts what these passages teach. These passages explicitly teach that believers are the spiritual seed of Israel, of God and of Abraham. Yet, you deny these very clear and straightforward scriptures, showing that you just believe whatever you want to believe instead of what scripture teaches.
His people are those who have faith in Christ and belong to Christ, including all Jew and Gentile believers.
Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
No, and I never will. But, a good number of them have been saved over the past almost 2,000 years. There were 3,000 of them saved on the day of Pentecost alone.
Sadly, a majority of people from all nations, including Israel, reject the offer of salvation, but God wants all people to be saved and that has always been the case. He did not postpone the salvation of the Israelites as dispensationalists like you imagine. His offer of salvation through the dead and resurrection of Jesus Christ has been there for them and the whole world for the past almost 2,000 years and that will continue to be the case until the day Jesus returns.
Right. It's not complicated at all, as clear and straightforward passages like Romans 9:6-8 and Galatians 3:26-29 indicate and, yet, you reject what those non-complicated passages teach.
When you refer to Israel you are referring to the nation of Israel, right? And you are calling them God's people just because of their nationality. So, you are the one with the carnal speech, acting as if one's nationality, such as being of the nation of Israel, has anything to do with salvation.
Why do you minimize the salvation of the Gentiles and just refer to it as Gentiles jumping on board? What a joke. Gentile believers are God's people every bit as much as Israelite believers are.
Romans 10:9 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
The Word of God: There is no difference between Jew and Gentile in God's eyes as it relates to salvation.
Taken: There is a difference between Jew and Gentile in God's eyes as it relates to salvation.
Who should we believe, you or the Word of God? The choice isn't hard. I will believe the Word of God over you every time.
His people Israel are those who have faith in Christ, including Jews and Gentiles, and are the spiritual seed of Abraham.
Romans 9:6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.
Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Right, so why do you act as if that offer has been postponed to Israel for almost 2,000 years? It has not.
Right, so why do you keep trying to make a distinction between Israel and Gentiles then? You are contradicting yourself. The offer of salvation is the same to both Jew and Gentile and those who are God's people are all one in Christ Jesus regardless of being Jew or Gentile.
Why do you say this here when, in most of your other posts you focus on the natural rather than the spiritual? Are you not sure what it is that you believe? What matters, the spiritual or the natural? Who are considered God's people, those who are of spiritual Israel and are the spiritual seed of Abraham or those who are of natural Israel and are the natural seed of Abraham?
Taken
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To bad you are compelled to Gaslight and make false accusation and fail to Understand disagreeing with your comments is not me disagreeing with Scripture.
Too bad not once have you quoted a Scripture And Quoted me saying I deny Such teaching.
Taken
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When you refer to Israel you are referring to the nation of Israel, right?
Depends on CONTEXT…
Pfff… I said nothing about nationality…
Gaslighter.
Context…
31 Times the LORD called ISRAEL “His People”…you look it up!
And pay particular attention…to the Difference between the Term People … and Place… as a Nation you Brought up, which a Place is not a People.
Hint…
( 1 Chr 17:9)
I said no such thing.
Vague.
Believers … IN WHAT?
Believers … WHEN?
Believers … carnally or spiritually?
Taken
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Not true.
Numerous times my Posts expressly differentiate between Believer AND Converted…
Not my Job to understand… for you.
Look it up … Read for yourself whom the LORD called His People.
Are you unaware of Whose Hand Saves WHO and How and Why?
John 10:
[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Nothing but unintelligible gibberish offered in response. Pre-tribs are completely confused about God's plans and who God's people are. Dispensationalism is a complete, indecipherable mess.
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