USA riots

[Giuliano]

WHY ?
Because the Media and people like you perpetuate Racial Divide.

A man, (Race Irrelevavt) used a "suspected" (counterfeit) $20 bill to purchase cigarettes.
The man (Race irrelevant) had the cigarettes....and was Sitting in A Vehicle.

The man (race Irrelevant) was Alarmed by being accused of having "used" a Counterfeit $20 ?? and WHAT??? Returned to the store? Called the Police to investigate the claimed $20 counterfeit bill? Was an active participant in establishing WHERE he got the $20 (supposed) counterfeit bill? Eh No.

^^ THAT is reasonable to believe what ANY (race Irrelevant) Person would have done.

So...A man sits IN A Vehicle. Police are called by the store employee. Police arrive. Police briefly Question the man....(about WHAT?)...the man sitting in A Vehicle? Or About the $20 bill, for which the police were Called?)

And the police (race Irrelevant) asked the man to step out of the Vehicle he was sitting in.....Vidieo footage Shows the man's (refusal to obey the Officer)...Officers pulled the man Out of the Vehicle and Cuffed him and walked the man upon the sidewalk and sat him down with the man's back to a building.

After a few minutes Police Officers chose to take the man to a Police Station for Questioning regarding the $20 bill.

Police Officers then walked the man to a Police Vehicle and Told the man to get into the Vehicle. The man Resisted...several Officers tried to get the man into the Police Vehicle...the man continued RESISTING.....(while Saying)...he didn't want to enter the police Vehicle....BECAUSE..."he (the man) was Claustrophic"....

The man Was Taken Out of a Vehicle...then claims he doesn't want to get into a Vehicle...Because he is Claustrophic!!!

Race has Nothing to Do With What Occurred...Except when people such as yourself Bring RACE into the Mix....and without Hesitation have Used the "Old worn out Racial Excuse" of the "poor Black person" and "white racist" person.

There was Not one iota of evidence of Anyone involved in that event was Racist.

What WAS Revealed was a Question about A $20 bill and An "uncooperative" man (race Irrelevant).

It is Not a Secret...police Officers are Lawfully Authorized to Detain, and Arrest, and Question persons of Interest in ANY accusation or case.

It is Not a Secret, People (race Irrelevant) who are Uncooperative with Police Officers, may be forcefully restrained.

It's Unfortunate...when individuals (race Irrelevant) Choose to be Uncooperative with Authorities...and the individual becomes physically hurt, maimed or dead.

And it becomes utterly ridiculous when FOOLISH Citizens take to the streets Making Themselves Criminals, destroying property ...
While Demanding JUSTICE.

I did not know that resisting arrest was a capital offense and that the police were allowed to kill people for it. Four police can't subdue one person?

 

[Philip James]

I see the union of church and state within the papal paradigm as an enemy to freedom of all people.

And do you think the society today that has drunk the poison that a godless state is preferable is better off?

Peace!

 

[Truth OT]

All this 'unity' we Americans love to talk about is but a facade. We haven't been united in years.

Sadly, this statement is probably accurate. Truth be told, we've never been united, we've just been able to live a great extent of the time in our own personal echo chambers that shielded us from differing views and the reality that what's normal to us might not be normal to all. Today's times just shine a light on what's been the reality all along. There are great gulfs that exist between us that we must be willing to acknowledge if we are to do something about connecting us and overcoming that which divides us. Even were we to do that, what we may come to realize is that there are options, values, and positions we hold that we value more than we value other people. The light shined on the mirror may be the toughest one to open our eyes to.

 

[RainAndIceCream]

Did you watch the video? The offending officer is under arrest for third degree murder of Mr.Floyd.
Minnesota law definition , 3rd degree murder:
(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.
Sec. 609.195 MN Statutes

So the officer was Accused and Charged...
So What?

When did being Accused or Charged come to mean "guilty"?

Don't you think there are Investigations, Hearings, Court proceedings... "Before" A Rendering of Guilt is Judged?

Glory to God,
Taken[/QUOTE]
In the American system of jurisprudence, yes, there is.
In the court of personal opinion, having watched the video, there is that opinion the officer murdered Mr.Floyd. That personal opinion does not levy a prison sentence upon the accused.

In our American courts evidence is taken before a Grand Jury before someone is, if they are, indicted on the crimes charged.
That the officer in question was arrested on the charge of 3rd degree murder means there is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that he is worthy of being charged with third degree murder.

Now, if he lives to trial as he is currently on suicide watch, when/if this case goes to a jury trial, twelve of his peers will hear the evidence that brought the indictment against the officer. And they will be asked to render a verdict. Either, the officer is indeed guilty of having committed the offense of third degree murder, and this verdict arrives beyond a reasonable doubt of his guilt. In other words, it would not be reasonable to doubt he committed the offense of third degree murder against Mr.Floyd, given the preponderance of the evidence.

Or, the guilty could find the officer not guilty of third degree murder because there was reasonable doubt he did not commit the offense.

This is how our adversarial system of justice works in America. If you're interested, it is a fascinating study and you can find a great deal of information, video or written form, if you wish to seek it out. We have the best system of justice in the world. It isn't perfect however, it is far superior to what may exist elsewhere.

Blessings.

 

[Truth OT]

What does the incident in Minnesota have to do with racism besides Racists looting and rioting?

The default position has been that the assault and total disregard for human life was motivated by race. I can't say that is accurate but that is DEFINITELY the prevailing perception due not only to the demographics involved in this situation, but also various preceding occurrences that led to this being a tipping point.

 

[RainAndIceCream]

A society that makes war with their Police. Had better make peace with their criminals. " Paul Harvey "

"A Society That Makes War Against Its Police Had Better Learn To Make Friends With Its Criminals."
William J. Clinton, President of the United States

 

[Truth OT]

There are Legal means for any group to gather for a protest.

There are also Laws for people to OBEY police Officers.

When a "Suspect" or "person of interest" Refuses to "OBEY" a police Officer, in some States the Law authorizes a Police Officer to USE Deadly Force, when a Person Refuses to OBEY a Police Officer, or Other authorized person.

No person is Required to TALK to a Police Officer, but THEY ARE Required BY Law to OBEY a Police Officer, without Resistance.

A regard for law is not something pervasive that all members of a society will have. Differing life experiences, differing education/miseducation, and differing cultural norms will effect how a person regards the rule of law. There is a belief many have that law is generally good and makes for a better society while the experience others have places law and the entire legal system under suspension. For those convinced that law does not respect their humanity, they will not have a healthy regard for respecting the law. All that to say this, what we belief about a subject matters, and it those beliefs that dictate how we behave toward a subject.

 

[Taken]

I did not know that resisting arrest was a capital offense

WHO said it was?

and that the police were allowed to kill people for it.

WHO said they were?

Four police can't subdue one person?

Guess they could have hog tied him since he laid on the seat and wouldn't keep his head or feet inside the vehicle like a man sits in a vehicle.

 

[Enoch111]

"A Society That Makes War Against Its Police Had Better Learn To Make Friends With Its Criminals."

Well Clinton provided the motto for the Left-Liberal Democrats of today. They have definitely made friends with the criminals. And guess what? Obama, Clinton, Holder, Lynch, Rice, etc are all criminals who will never be charged or prosecuted. There are at least another couple of dozen criminals at the highest echelons, walking around, and scoffing at Trump right now.

 

[pompadour]

No to be picky, but I think Paul Harvey made that statement in 1960s. May have been the 70s.

 

[RainAndIceCream]

WHO said it was?



WHO said they were?



Guess they could have hog tied him since he laid on the seat and wouldn't keep his head or feet inside the vehicle like a man sits in a vehicle.

What is your point please? With that last remark.

 

[Taken]

A regard for law is not something pervasive that all members of a society will have. Differing life experiences, differing education/miseducation, and differing cultural norms will effect how a person regards the rule of law. There is a belief many have that law is generally good and makes for a better society while the experience others have places law and the entire legal system under suspension. For those convinced that law does not respect their humanity, they will not have a healthy regard for respecting the law. All that to say this, what we belief about a subject matters, and it those beliefs that dictate how we behave toward a subject.

Possibly so...yet regardless of who it is..."it's not a Secret", disobey an Officer of The Law doing his Authorized Job...for Sure you can expect a negative outcome.

 

[Giuliano]

In our American courts evidence is taken before a Grand Jury before someone is, if they are, indicted on the crimes charged.
That the officer in question was arrested on the charge of 3rd degree murder means there is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that he is worthy of being charged with third degree murder.

Now, if he lives to trial as he is currently on suicide watch, when/if this case goes to a jury trial, twelve of his peers will hear the evidence that brought the indictment against the officer. And they will be asked to render a verdict. Either, the officer is indeed guilty of having committed the offense of third degree murder, and this verdict arrives beyond a reasonable doubt of his guilt. In other words, it would not be reasonable to doubt he committed the offense of third degree murder against Mr.Floyd, given the preponderance of the evidence.

Or, the guilty could find the officer not guilty of third degree murder because there was reasonable doubt he did not commit the offense.

This is how our adversarial system of justice works in America. If you're interested, it is a fascinating study and you can find a great deal of information, video or written form, if you wish to seek it out. We have the best system of justice in the world. It isn't perfect however, it is far superior to what may exist elsewhere.

Blessings.

How much due process did the dead man get?

 

[Josho]

Just saying.....

I don't think racism is something that should be dragged into the left/right wing battles.

 

[pompadour]

Paul Harvey on Police Officer.

 

[RainAndIceCream]

How much due process did the dead man get?

None. Which is why in my opinion, watching the video, Mr.Floyd can be said to have been murdered. And there are multiple complicit offenders, not just the one officer that is currently charged with 3rd degree murder.

 

[Giuliano]

WHO said it was?



WHO said they were?



Guess they could have hog tied him since he laid on the seat and wouldn't keep his head or feet inside the vehicle like a man sits in a vehicle.

Tying him up would have been better. I don't think killing him was their only option. They could also have waited for him to calm down. If somone has a gun or is posing a threat to the lives of other people, the police are justified in using lethal force for someone resisting arrest.

 

[Taken]

What is your point please? With that last remark.

He was uncooperative in entering and sitting in the police Vehicle, so that the Officers could not safely shut the doors to the vehicle.

Hog-tying is restraining an uncooperative person's hands and feet in a knee bent position and "laying" them in a vehicle for transport.

 

[Giuliano]

None. Which is why in my opinion, watching the video, Mr.Floyd can be said to have been murdered. And there are multiple complicit offenders, not just the one officer that is currently charged with 3rd degree murder.

It's obvious, but the other three haven't been charged with anything yet, not as far as I know.

 

[pompadour]

Police arrest. City or county attorneys charge.