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Featured Vegetarians Before the Flood

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  1. Enow

    Enow Active Member

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    Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

    It was after the flood that our meat came from another source.

    Genesis 9:1And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. 2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. 3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. 4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

    Obviously, some of the living things became predatorial on other living things for meat also.
     
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    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    What kind of sacrifice did Abel offer?
     
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    Does away with the idea that Christian vegetarianism is permitted.
     
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    The kind where you do not eat what was sacrificed unto the altar.
     
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    Enow Active Member

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    Those weak in faith, we are instructed to not dispute.

    Romans 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
     
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    Since you don't seem to know, you can find it at around Gen. 4:4.
     
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    You are correct. The offering was not sacrificed at an altar. Abel's offering was just an offering as Cain's offer was.

    Genesis 4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. 3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord. 4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

    Not sure why you brought that up as if to oppose what was shared in the OP, but it had nothing to do with eating the animal for the meat before the flood, but thanks anyway for the correction.
     
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    You can't be so obtuse as to have missed that. Abel brought the "good eating" parts. I wonder why? Maybe he knew lamb was good to eat? And I wonder how he knew that?
     
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    The very first animal sacrifice??
     
  10. Enow

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    Not sure why you stooped to belittling since we all prophesy in part and know in part.

    Genesis 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

    We were talking about how God told Noah after the flood that the fear of animals would be upon them for they will be also meat unto them to eat.

    Also after the flood, Noah built an altar to the Lord for why it was significant to Israel in according to their practices in origin.

    Genesis 8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. 21 And the Lord smelled a sweet savour;

    From that, we may see how Abel's offering was given to the Lord as an offering.

    Since we see after the fall, God had to make coats of skin for Adam and Eve, and although scripture doesn't say it plainly enough, animals may have been killed for this to happen since it was coats of "skin".

    Genesis 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

    One can say that it doesn't say that, for God could have made the coats of skin out of the ground, but then how did the following generations got their coverings? So animals had to die for this to happen.

    Then Abel came along and made a sacrificial offering TO the Lord which the smelling of the fat which is that sweet savour the Lord enjoyed after the flood, was how Abel had offered it to the Lord for why it was pleasing over Cain's offering. There is no reason for Abel to eat of that offering like it was for the Passover that Israel when herbs were for the meat of man then.

    But after the flood, it could very well be that Noah and his family ate thereof of the offering then.

    Now you could contend that man had eaten meat before the flood when they got their coverings and Abel ate after his offering to the Lord, but God specifically stated that herbs was for the meat of man to eat before the flood and because of the dramatic change in the environment, the meat of animals was also to be meat along with the herbs for man after the flood.

    So just because the fat was mentioned in Genesis 4:4 for which we can derive the sweet savour that God enjoyed, that doesn't mean Abel had eaten that fat ( which is hardly meat ) and would not have a need to eat the meat of the offering when it was not meat before the flood for them to eat.

    I would fathom that because of the change in the environment, herbs was not going to be producing the enough source for meat any more for why the meat of animals was also offered with the meat of herbs after the flood for mankind to eat.

    So, no, I believe you are making an assumption that man ate "meat" before the flood when clearly God did not give permission to man to do that then. Abel did not eat of the offering given to the Lord at that time. Neither did Cain ate from his offering to the Lord. Makes sense, right?

    But if you still disagree, you shall know for sure when you see Him face to face one day. but what I believe has to be true in according to His words before and after the flood.
     
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    You typed it right, but cited an inaccurate translation. It should read "coats of skin" with "skin" in the singular, not with "skins" in the plural. I see no reason to think animals were killed for their "skins."

    Where do we get out coats of skin today? We are born in them. . . . The question may be if Adam and Eve had "mortal" bodies like ours before the fall. It is not clear to me that they were.
     
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    I consider that since God made coats for Adam and Eve, more than one animal is required for those coats to come about; as in skins.

    Thank you for sharing, but I do not believe it was a mistranslation in the KJV.
     
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    Look it up in the original Hebrew. It reads "skin" not "skins." I just checked it out again in the original Hebrew. You can believe what you want, but I know what the original says.
     
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    he said, with complete confidence
     
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    While that may not give direct evidence of humans eating meat (and may have been a whole burnt offering), verse 20 certainly does: And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father [ancestor] of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.

    Cattle are raised for both meat and as beasts of burden, and also for tilling the land (as oxen). It would appear that soon after the Fall, carnivorous creatures (including man) came into existence. The Noahic Covenant confirmed that the meat of all creatures could be consumed by mankind, but not the blood. And that is still true for Christians according to Acts 15.

    Before the Fall all creatures (including man) were herbivorous. Things changed when sin and death entered into the world through Adam (Rom 5:12).
     
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    he said...
    lol
     
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    You are correct, but do consider this;

    Pneuma is a Greek word with a variety of definitions which cannot all mean the same thing when applying to a verse or message in the context of that verse, singular or plural.

    HTML Bible Index - King James Version - Strongs Concordance - Frames Version

    If you look up 1 Timothy 4:1 at that link and click on the third blue word mirroring that word for Spirit, you get the definition of pneuma citing all those different definitions, but when you click on that last blue word in that first line, even though it is written differently, it takes you to pneuma again.

    So is the Hebrew word for skin actually plural or singular? Since we do not have the Hebrew as it is written in mirroring that verse in Genesis 3:21 to know the difference between the two as it is written in Hebrew, I have to go with "skins" as what God made the coats from rather than one skin.

    Since God is making coats as in plural for two people; Adam and Eve, and hardly one animal has enough covering for two people, I tend to think more than one animal has been used for this purpose and thus more than one skins for why the word is in the plural.

    There is coats of skin for what the coats are made of; and then there are coats of skins as inferring how the two coats were made from skins as in more than one skin.

    So the original Hebrew word has to be applied by how it is used in the verse, as in is it singular or is it plural to be clear as to how God made the coats from?

    One can say it doesn't matter then, but coats of skin would make one wonder if God just made both of those coats from one skin, thus not clearly the whole truth. This way, coats of skins can be read either way as the coats are made of skin and that God made these coats from skins.

    Thank you for sharing.
     
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    It is singular or plural as we find it written. We needn't speculate. It is plural in other places such as this passage:

    Gen 27:16 And she put the skins of the kids of the goats upon his hands, and upon the smooth of his neck:

    I fear you missed my point. Perhaps no animals were killed at all to make Adam and Eve coats. Perhaps they'd lost their garments of light, having fallen spiritually, and then took on human bodies as a way of keeping alive in human bodies. . . although they had died in a spiritual way.

    It is not clear to me that Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel or Seth were "fully human" as we understand it today. With Enos, we can be sure since his name means the physical man . . . while Adam is more of a spiritual man. Thus the expression "Son of Man" is a high one, indicating that Jesus as Son of Man was in the proper image and likeness of God as God had made Adam and Eve before the fall.
     
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    Thank you for sharing.

    When God made everything before the fall, He said it was good.

    I see macro evolution as a lie because it makes God still trying to create man in the right image of Himself for Him to yet call him good.

    Since we prophesy in part and know in part, still we can know the truth from the Son, and the truth shall set us free as there can be no lie of the truth.
     
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    Well, to speculate beyond that would be something one could not apply as much confidence in saying, right?
     
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