Was Adam and Eve alone?

[Purity]

I was going to respond to this thread http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/18896-evolution-or/ but decided to start another with the view of generating some discussion (not arguments) on this subject.

Here is my first question regarding this passage:

Gen 4:13 Then Cain said to the LORD, "My punishment33 is too great to endure!
Gen 4:14 Look! You are driving me off the land35 today, and I must hide from your presence.36 I will be a homeless wanderer on the earth; whoever finds me will kill me."
Gen 4:15 But the LORD said to him, "All right then,37 if anyone kills Cain, Cain will be avenged seven times as much."38 Then the LORD put a special mark39 on Cain so that no one who found him would strike him down.

Clearly God here validates Cain's concern that the threat to his life is real - but from whom? Who was out there that could potential end his life.

His own relatives - hardly?

It maybe of interest to note the mark of Cain was about ownership. Clearly Cain feared that when he went into the world anyone he encountered might kill him. In a day before uniform law codes and uniformed police officers, his fear was reasonable. Citizens of a city or region were granted whatever protection their family, village, or town might afford. But for people in a strange place, there was no protection.

The question the Bible student must ask is this "What civilisations? What cities were established and where did these people come from?

The old assumption of them being A & E's offspring does not fit the record for why would Eve be so pleased (overwhelmed) when Seth was born (Able replaced) if she had thousands of children, grandchildren?

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[HeRoseFromTheDead]

His own relatives - hardly?

He just killed his own relative. What goes around comes around...

 

[Purity]

He just killed his own relative. What goes around comes around...

So you believe all those he feared were his relatives?

 

[afaithfulone4u]

They were the nations that God created. Just as there will be in the new heaven and new earth those who were the chosen that inherit the kingdom of God and will live in heavenly Jerusalem who comes down to earth. The MEEK inherit the rest of the earth.

There were no natural born children before the fall of Adam and Eve and they were given SKIN with reproductive organs by God. Just as all in Christ shall be spiritual children not of the flesh, so were all those before they died to the Spirit into their fallen nature.

There was no death among the nations before Cain killed. Notice that Adam was not willing to kill Cain, nor was Eve willing to kill Cain for killing Abel... not even God killed Cain.. because God uses willing men to bring punishment to ungodly man, but there were none on the earth. Only after God casts Cain out of His presence and to be a wanderer among the saved nations did Cain bring sinful ways into them.

Remember what Solomon said:
Eccl 1:9-11
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.
KJV

And as we can see here when all things have been restored to how it was in the beginning, there will be the SAVED nations and the Chosen who will inherit the Bride heavenly Jerusalem for they were worthy. Not every believer is chosen... but they are saved to live again in the manner they laid up for themselves in this life of sowing and reaping : )
Rev 21:23-24
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
KJV

 

[sanhedrin]

The question the Bible student must ask is this "What civilisations? What cities were established and where did these people come from?

The old assumption of them being A & E's offspring does not fit the record for why would Eve be so pleased (overwhelmed) when Seth was born (Able replaced) if she had thousands of children, grandchildren?

Purity

That only means there were other people on earth then simultaneous with Adam and Eve or to put in in another way, there were other people that God created then aside from Adam and Eve. If we want the truth, then we can come now to the Lord Jesus in His own way of existence and ask the Lord the truth about other people He created then aside from the two as mentioned in the bible.

 

[horsecamp]

eve believed Gods promise of a savior gen 3:15

SO STRONGLY she thought HER son Seth was that savior..

That's why she said God has given me a man child the:" Lord" .

we who have the new testament know Jesus would in deed come from her AND BE HER SAVIOR from sin TO but much latter in history..

all humanity came from Adam and eve excepting one ---------------Jesus HIS FATHER WAS MUCH GREATER THAN ADAM.
only Jesus mother came from Adam and eve. since the holy spirit conceived Jesus he was not even guilty of inherited sin.

since sin is passed on through the fathers not mothers .. this is why Jewish boy babies are circumcised signifying the cutting off of the flesh that original sin is passed on by.EVERY HUMAN EXCEPTING JESUS IS GUITY of inherited l sin since every human has a human father and all came by way of adam ----------except Jesus
WHOS real FATHER is God.. so though Jesus even innocent of inherited sin

Jesus was circumcised to.. be cause he the only innocent one would be our sin bearer on the cross.

HE THE SECOND ADAM made PEACE FOR US WITH God his father.. Jesus made every thing right
with God for us again.

 

[Rocky Wiley]

God created all things. With that being said, we need to look at the scripture for what it says. Assuming that there were other people on earth at the time of Adam, what then is Genesis about?

It is about the initial covenant that God made with mankind. The whole bible is about this covenant, that is why it shows the generations of Adam all the way to Jesus. If this is true, and I believe it is, then God was not concerned about the physical creation as much as he was about the spiritual.

Check it out. Why wouldn't Genesis and the book of Revelation be about the same thing as the rest of the bible?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

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[Purity]

God created all things. With that being said, we need to look at the scripture for what it says. Assuming that there were other people on earth at the time of Adam, what then is Genesis about?

It is about the initial covenant that God made with mankind. The whole bible is about this covenant, that is why it shows the generations of Adam all the way to Jesus. If this is true, and I believe it is, then God was not concerned about the physical creation as much as he was about the spiritual.

Check it out. Why wouldn't Genesis and the book of Revelation be about the same thing as the rest of the bible?

I agree with the above.

We have two books 1. The Inspired Word 2. The Creative Acts

Sadly many focus on one and not the other.

‘The inconsistency spoken of between nature and scripture, arises not from antagonism, but from the misinterpretations of both. It is man’s interpretation of the one set against man’s interpretations of the other. It is not nature versus scripture, but false science against true theology, or false theology against scientific fact.’

‘Some scientific men, we believe, view the Scriptures through the distorted medium of “confessions of faith” and doubt them, and theologians view science and call it false, because it does not take to their turn‐pike road.

 

[Webers_Home]

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When people build doctrines upon things that are not expressly stated in the
Bible; they sometimes resort to passages that allude to their doctrines. A very
common one is the doctrine of purgatory. There is no purgatory expressly
mentioned in the Bible so those who believe in a purgatory point to passages
that suggest the possibility of one.

Webster's defines "allude" as: to make indirect reference. Allude is from the
Latin word alludere which means: to play around with. In other words: when
people build their doctrines upon allusions, they are playing around with
Scripture and construing it to mean things it doesn't say in writing.

People not only use Gen 4:14 to allude to a second, non-Adam family of
human beings; but also Gen 4:17.

However; when you get right down to it: there is no record in the Bible of
God creating any other family of human beings from the dust but Adam.
Biblically; he's it.

†. Acts 17:26 . . He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell
on all the face of the earth

Are you expecting to die some day? If so; then you are in Adam rather than
in some other man.

†. 1Cor 15:22 . . In Adam all die

The genetic unity of all human beings is very important to the overall plan of
salvation because according to the Old Testament's laws related to kinsman
redeemers; Christ could give his life a ransom to rescue only his own human
family from the wrath of God. Were there additional human families, one of
their own would have to give his life for them; which of course would then
require additional crucifixions were those races fallen races.

Buen Camino
/

 

[Pelaides]

You would have to read a jewish interpretation of genisis to understand who these mystery people were that cain feared.

Some jews believe their were 2 adams created,the first adam had a wife named lilith while the second adam married eve.the first adam can be found in Genesis 1:27,28 .the second adam was made to take care of garden of eden.You can see him in Genesis 2:7,8. So the offspring of lilith had already populated the earth before cain was even born.

 

[clark thompson]

So you believe all those he feared were his relatives?

Yes they would want justice not revenge.

 

[Purity]

Yes they would want justice not revenge.

So Able, Cain & Seth all remained with their parents while all their other children had left the Garden Cherub and went off into the open lands? Of all these children also understand the mark on Cain and know not to touch him? Also, all the while being his sisters?

Of course there were no male children between Able and Seth.

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[Webers_Home]

You would have to read a jewish interpretation of genisis to understand who
these mystery people were that cain feared.

Jewish rabbis are not qualified to instruct the Lord's followers. According to
Eph 4:8-14, Christ has taken measures to provide his church with teachers
of his own choosing rather than the Jews' choosing. A Christian attending
yeshiva would be like a like an aspiring welder going to med school in order
to learn how to perform X-ray welding on high pressure piping.

How many times does the Bible attest that the Jews are blind? yet people still
recommend their teachings. I just don't get it. tsk.

Buen Camino
/

 

[Pelaides]

Jewish rabbis are not qualified to instruct the Lord's followers. According to
Eph 4:8-14, Christ has taken measures to provide his church with teachers
of his own choosing rather than the Jews' choosing. A Christian attending
yeshiva would be like a like an aspiring welder going to med school in order
to learn how to perform X-ray welding on high pressure piping.

How many times does the Bible attest that the Jews are blind? yet people still
recommend their teachings. I just don't get it. tsk.

Buen Camino
/

You seem to forget that Jesus was a jewish rabbi,and that the entire old testament(also known as the torah)was written by jews.

 

[sanhedrin]

God created all things. With that being said, we need to look at the scripture for what it says.

Aren't you going to look for what the Lord God himself, this time, says?

 

[Webers_Home]

You seem to forget that Jesus was a jewish rabbi,and that the entire old
testament(also known a the torah)was written by jews.

1) Yhvh attests that the Jews are blind

2) The prophets attest that the Jews are blind

3) Jesus attests that the Jews are blind

4) Old Testament authors attest that the Jews are blind.

5) New Testament authors attest that the Jews are blind.

6) Jesus attended none of the Jews' seminaries to become an accredited rabbi.
In his day, anybody with a mouth and a soap box was called rabbi; viz: every
time you, I, or anybody else online posts an instructional posting on a forum;
we're playing rabbi. I prefer the label "armchair theologian" but it's all the same.

Buen Camino
/

 

[day]

God created all things. With that being said, we need to look at the scripture for what it says. Assuming that there were other people on earth at the time of Adam, what then is Genesis about?

It is about the initial covenant that God made with mankind. The whole bible is about this covenant, that is why it shows the generations of Adam all the way to Jesus. If this is true, and I believe it is, then God was not concerned about the physical creation as much as he was about the spiritual.

Check it out. Why wouldn't Genesis and the book of Revelation be about the same thing as the rest of the bible?

I agree with Rocky and with Eccl 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be, and that which is done is that which shall be done; and there is no new thing under the sun.

Just as Jesus represented all mankind (the second Adam), so Adam represented all mankind (as the first). In both cases other peoples existed. It was about covenant. Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus all made covenants with God. Scripture is the record of these covenants and of God's faithfulness in spite of man's unfaithfulness.

If Adam had not sinned, he would have made the covenant of eternal life with God, instead he began a course of intermediary covenants until Jesus' covenant with the Father. A long way around to the same result (sort of like Israel forced to wander in the desert after failing to obey God and enter Canaan - another example of going the long way around).

 

[veteran]

The Hebrew of Genesis 1:26-27 accounts for the creation of 'mankind' also on God's 6th day.

Per Sayce's original translation in the Assyrian Tablet description by the ancient Sumerians, Sargon I arrived in ancient Sumer around the date of 3800 B.C. Per Bishop Ussher's Bible chronology back to Adam, God formed Adam in 4004 B.C. That's 204 years difference between Adam and Sargon I (see Bristowe's Sargon The Magnificent).

For this reason, I believe Sargon I who appeared among the ancient Sumerians was Cain, and ancient Sumer the area "land of Nod".

 

[Purity]

The Hebrew of Genesis 1:26-27 accounts for the creation of 'mankind' also on God's 6th day.

Per Sayce's original translation in the Assyrian Tablet description by the ancient Sumerians, Sargon I arrived in ancient Sumer around the date of 3800 B.C. Per Bishop Ussher's Bible chronology back to Adam, God formed Adam in 4004 B.C. That's 204 years difference between Adam and Sargon I (see Bristowe's Sargon The Magnificent).

For this reason, I believe Sargon I who appeared among the ancient Sumerians was Cain, and ancient Sumer the area "land of Nod".

Usshers also believe the earth was only 6000 years old. The evidence of course speaks to a very old earth created by a very old God. The principle of "long and slow" is a divine one and needs consideration when dealing with the population of the earth during Adams time and those things before him.

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