In Truth (John 14:6), the sensibleness of the Word of God is praiseworthy and marvelous!
The original post contains some critical Scripture:In Truth (John 14:6), the sensibleness of the Word of God is praiseworthy and marvelous! The original post contains some critical information:
If anyone venture a reply to this thread, I encourage diligent care for it is written "do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar" (Proverbs 30:6).
You (and
@Jim B,
@Marvelloustime and
@Johann (all by way of your "Like" of amigo de christo's post)) explain that "choice" is a required cause of Adam eating of the tree forbidden as food, so, in order to get from the Word of God which is "
Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’" (the Word of God, Genesis 3:17), then you must add "choose" into Genesis 3:17 such that a different word manifests "
Because you have chosen to listen to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’" (the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9)); therefore,
according to the Word of God, the cause of Adam eating of the tree forbidden as food was Adam heeded/listened to Eve, and a person deviating from this is the person deviating from the Word of God.
The Word of God recorded in Genesis 3:17 makes perfect sense because of God's Plan of Redemption through the Christ for mankind before the foundation of the world. This means God's Plan was known to God prior to the creation of Adam.
Here is another part of the original post:
SINCE God saw creation was very good on the 6th Day (
Genesis 1:31)
THEN a free will Adam could not have been roaming the Garden of Eden with the ability to choose to obey God's command not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (
Genesis 2:17)
SINCE the only command carrying a punishment was the prohibition upon Adam against eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil
THUS a free will Adam could have disrupted God's Plan of Redemption through the Christ for mankind
SO God could not conclude with certainty by declaring everything was good on the sixth day with a free will Adam in control roaming the Garden of Eden
THEREFORE it follows that Adam could not be endowed with the attribute of free will.
Your first 3 sentences also accuse that the Apostle Paul does not make sense in Romans 8:20-22, so let us visit this in detail.
Man's "Will" In Scripture Related To The Creation Account
Despite the Creation account in
Genesis 1-3 being silent about man's "will", there exists Apostolic teaching on the matter of man's "will" with regard to the creation account.
Adam did not exercise willpower to disobey God's command not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (
Genesis 2:16-17) for Paul wrote "the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly" (
Romans 8:20, NASB); therefore, Adam did not make a choice, not a willing choice, to eat.
A "choice" by Adam is explicitly excluded by using scripture with scripture referencing, in fact, "the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly" (
Romans 8:20, KJV), so Adam acted not willingly but rather acted subject to vanity in his eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
"Not willingly" indicates "not choice".
Some people may claim that Paul was referring to a timeframe exclusively after what they call "the fall" (after Adam ate of the tree [
Genesis 3:6]), but the continuity of the passage of
Romans 8:20-22 must be taken as a whole.
Paul left no room for disputing to the timeframe for which "not willingly" applies, for Paul also wrote "we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now" (
Romans 8:22), and the phrase "until now" is the timeframe's most recent limiting factor which means that all times prior to "now" are included, so "the whole creation" includes the moment after God breathed into Adam's nostrils the breath of life (
Genesis 2:7) until Adam ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (
Genesis 3:6); therefore, we can be certain that Paul includes the timeframe that Adam ate of the tree in the travailing/groaning because Paul wrote of all of this in the same passage, i.e.
Romans 8:20-22.
Presenting an event driven review of Paul's writing "the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now" (
Romans 8:20-22) and the creation account and more recorded in Genesis:
- See "until now" (Romans 8:22) indicates all time prior to the Apostle Paul for he wrote "the whole creation" (Romans 8:22), as in "the whole creation" "until now".
- See the serpent was in the garden tempting Eve (Genesis 3:1-5) before Adam ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 3:6).
- See "subjected to futility" (Romans 8:20) as the serpent's futility of lying to Eve with "You surely will not die" (Genesis 3:4) - before Adam or Eve ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 3:6), yet Adam and Eve died (Genesis 5:5, Genesis 7:21 none of mankind, besides the 8 [Genesis 7:7 and 1 Peter 3:20], survived the flood, so Eve had to be dead).
- See "not willingly" (Romans 8:20) applies to Adam eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 3:6) for the Word of God specifically attributed the cause of Adam eating of the tree as "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it'" (Genesis 3:17), so here God reveals for Adam the cause (listen to wife) and the effect (eat of tree); therefore, eating of the tree was "not willingly" (Romans 8:20).
Paul includes the "not willingly" (
Romans 8:20-22) to apply to the time that Adam ate of the tree (
Genesis 3:6).
The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.