Was Jesus the man perfect? The Perfect Man?

[robert derrick]

And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.

We tend to say things that sound great and good and right, but it isn't necessarily so, unless Scripture says so plainly.

Where does Scripture say Jesus was perfect? Or did everything perfectly?

He went about doing good and did all things well, and was made perfect to be author of eternal salvation.

And He was and is that perfect and true God of eternal life, but as a man in the flesh, did He never slip on ice? Hit His thumb with the hammer?

We know He was tempted in all points such was we, yet without sin, so we know He didn't curse if slipped or hist His own thumb, rather than the nail.

 

[Enoch111]

Where does Scripture say Jesus was perfect?

Where does it say He was imperfect?

 

[robert derrick]

Where does it say He was imperfect?

Good question. Nowhere.

Even as nowhere does Scripture say as a man He was perfect, at least not with the flesh.

We can safely say He was perfect as the Father in heaven, even as He commands us to be.

But that perfectness in Scripture is simply being spiritually perfect with single-eyed wholeness, being completely and wholly given to loving and pleasing God.

 

[GEN2REV]

Good question. Nowhere.

Even as nowhere does Scripture say as a man He was perfect, at least not with the flesh.

We can safely say He was perfect as the Father in heaven, even as He commands us to be.

But that perfectness in Scripture is simply being spiritually perfect with single-eyed wholeness, being completely and wholly given to loving and pleasing God.

You continue to claim that Jesus did not achieve sinless perfection in the flesh.

That's pretty odd.

Can you explain your understanding of exactly how He accomplished being the perfect sacrifice and defeating sin IN THE FLESH so that we could all be free (liberated) from sin's power over our flesh?

If you believe He did NOT do any of that, I'd next wonder what you believe the New Testament is all about.

 

[robert derrick]

You continue to claim that Jesus did not achieve sinless perfection in the flesh.

That's pretty odd.

Can you explain your understanding of exactly how He accomplished being the perfect sacrifice and defeating sin IN THE FLESH so that we could all be free (liberated) from sin's power over our flesh?

If you believe He did NOT do any of that, I'd next wonder what you believe the New Testament is all about.

People tend to jump to conclusions to fast with knee-jerk reactions to something different. Your making an error of what is being said.

No one is saying Jesus was not sinless, nor the perfect sacrifice for sins.
your false doctrine of sinless perfection while yet in mortal flesh is wrong in several ways.

Being sinless, is not being perfect. And sinless perfection is only with the resurrection of the spiritual body:

Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

Jesus perfectly lived without sinning. He did no sinning. That does not mean the man not sinning is perfect in the flesh: honestly believing something that is not true, may be an error, but is not sinning against God, unless that belief leads to doing so.

And Jesus may indeed have slipped and fell as a child or man, but He certainly did not curse because of it.

You elevating sinlessness in the spirit and flesh to 'perfection', is the devil's trick of then devaluing sinning with the devil to burping.

A burp is a completely natural result of eating, that is with all mortal and imperfect flesh, not a sin. Unless of course it is done sinfully.

Can you explain your understanding of exactly how He accomplished being the perfect sacrifice and defeating sin IN THE FLESH so that we could all be free (liberated) from sin's power over our flesh?

If you believe He did NOT do any of that, I'd next wonder what you believe the New Testament is all about.

Jesus was made perfect, made to become the perfect sacrifice and author of salvation, when He feared the Lord in the garden and learned obedience like any man in the flesh, when in the garden He was unwilling in the spirit to be separated from His Father on the cross.

God learned obedience like any righteous man on earth, by becoming a man in mortal flesh: He did not learn that until the garden.

Before that, He did all things well and good from a child up, and was tempted in all points, except one: learning to obey when even the spirit is unwilling, much less the flesh.

 

[GEN2REV]

People tend to jump to conclusions to fast with knee-jerk reactions to something different. Your making an error of what is being said.

No one is saying Jesus was not sinless, nor the perfect sacrifice for sins.
your false doctrine of sinless perfection while yet in mortal flesh is wrong in several ways.

Being sinless, is not being perfect. And sinless perfection is only with the resurrection of the spiritual body:

Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

Jesus perfectly lived without sinning. He did no sinning. That does not mean the man not sinning is perfect in the flesh: honestly believing something that is not true, may be an error, but is not sinning against God, unless that belief leads to doing so.

And Jesus may indeed have slipped and fell as a child or man, but He certainly did not curse because of it.

You elevating sinlessness in the spirit and flesh to 'perfection', is the devil's trick of then devaluing sinning with the devil to burping.

A burp is a completely natural result of eating, that is with all mortal and imperfect flesh, not a sin. Unless of course it is done sinfully.



Jesus was made perfect, made to become the perfect sacrifice and author of salvation, when He feared the Lord in the garden and learned obedience like any man in the flesh, when in the garden He was unwilling in the spirit to be separated from His Father on the cross.

God learned obedience like any righteous man on earth, by becoming a man in mortal flesh: He did not learn that until the garden.

Before that, He did all things well and good from a child up, and was tempted in all points, except one: learning to obey when even the spirit is unwilling, much less the flesh.

Jesus was "made perfect" when He died on the Cross with zero sin.

God did not make Him perfect prior to His incarnation in order to accomplish things in the flesh.

 

[Earburner]

Jesus was "made perfect" when He died on the Cross with zero sin.

God did not make Him perfect prior to His incarnation in order to accomplish things in the flesh.

When Jesus declared the words "it is finished" in the garden of Gethsemane and on the cross (John 17:4 and 19:30), not many understand that He was referencing the six works of God, that was prophesied of Him to accomplish.
Dan.9[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people AND upon thy holy city,
1. to finish the transgression, and
2. to make an end of sins, and
3. to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
5. to seal up** the vision and prophecy, and
6. to anoint the most Holy.

** Note: "seal up"- to close up, to stop, make an end. Strongs H2856

 

[farouk]

"He did no sin" (1 Peter 2.22). "In Him is no sin" (1 John 3.5). "He knew no sin" (2 Corinthians 5.21).

All are Scriptural statements.

 

[Taken]

Good question. Nowhere.

Even as nowhere does Scripture say as a man He was perfect, at least not with the flesh.

I think you are leaning toward happenstance being equated with Perfect void of Sin.

Jesus didn’t Come with “His reputation”, Meaning “POWER”.
Jesus Came in the Likeness as a man. Appearance, genealogy of the clan of Abraham, Issac, Jacob, David, to Joseph of the House of David....first as a babe, a child, a young man, a teacher, an example.

If he hit his thumb with a hammer, ouch, didn’t like it, reacted, probably so.
If he ran and jumped and played and teased other kids, and other kids teased Him....not imperfect, but simply experiencing first hand in all phases of what His own making of His creations experience.

Confidant the Scripture is clear, he had no sin, nor committed sin...and that moment the SIN of the entire world was dumped on Him...was the moment He knew would happen...and yikes, could there BE ANY other WAY to fulfill Gods Big Picture....well, sadly no.
Human men are the weak link, telling them is one thing....patience to SEE the telling come to pass, not mans best attribute. SEEING as they HEAR, is the greatest impact on mankind.

 

[Earburner]

Did satan speak a truth, putting his own spin on it?
Luke 4[9] And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
[10] For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
[11] And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone (Psalm 91:11-12).
[12] And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.