Was the Father's will always subordinate to the Son's will?

[Betho_BR]

Matthew 26:42-43 King James Version

He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy.

The scene underscores Jesus' submission to the Father's will and his redemptive sacrifice. This event is central to Christian theology, representing Jesus' surrender into the hands of soldiers as part of the divine plan for humanity's redemption.

Matthew 26:53 King James Version

Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

This passage seems to suggest that, in stating that He could summon angels through prayer to the Father, Jesus was highlighting His authority over circumstances, including the Father's already established will. This prayer would represent a channel to express, if necessary, the adjustment of the Son's will in line with the already established redemptive plan, disregarding the Father's will.

Was the Father's will always subordinate to the Son's will?

 

[ScottA]

Matthew 26:42-43 King James Version


The scene underscores Jesus' submission to the Father's will and his redemptive sacrifice. This event is central to Christian theology, representing Jesus' surrender into the hands of soldiers as part of the divine plan for humanity's redemption.

Matthew 26:53 King James Version


This passage seems to suggest that, in stating that He could summon angels through prayer to the Father, Jesus was highlighting His authority over circumstances, including the Father's already established will. This prayer would represent a channel to express, if necessary, the adjustment of the Son's will in line with the already established redemptive plan, disregarding the Father's will.

Was the Father's will always subordinate to the Son's will?

The Father and the Son are One, as He said, "I and the Father are One."

The issues expressed in the scriptures show rather a subordination between the Spirit and the flesh, and between the Head and the body.

 

[Windmillcharge]

This passage seems to suggest that, in stating that He could summon angels through prayer to the Father

Jesus was illustrating that if it was necessary to fight he had overwhelming forces at his disposal.
As Jesus was being obedient to his Father's will, there was no way he would call for those angel forces.

 

[Matthias]

Matthew 26:42-43 King James Version


The scene underscores Jesus' submission to the Father's will and his redemptive sacrifice. This event is central to Christian theology, representing Jesus' surrender into the hands of soldiers as part of the divine plan for humanity's redemption.

Matthew 26:53 King James Version


This passage seems to suggest that, in stating that He could summon angels through prayer to the Father, Jesus was highlighting His authority over circumstances, including the Father's already established will. This prayer would represent a channel to express, if necessary, the adjustment of the Son's will in line with the already established redemptive plan, disregarding the Father's will.

Was the Father's will always subordinate to the Son's will?

Welcome to the forum.

Why are you asking?

Would an answer to your question which you found satisfactory / persuasive cause you to cease being agnostic?

 

[Angelina]

This passage seems to suggest that, in stating that He could summon angels through prayer to the Father, Jesus was highlighting His authority over circumstances, including the Father's already established will. This prayer would represent a channel to express, if necessary, the adjustment of the Son's will in line with the already established redemptive plan, disregarding the Father's will.

Was the Father's will always subordinate to the Son's will?

This passage suggests that the Son could have saved himself but he chose to follow (Father) God's plan of salvation..
John 10: 17 For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”

...just as the Son himself became the salvation of the world through his obedience and sacrifice.

Philippians 2 5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, as He already existed in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself by taking the form of a bond-servant and being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death: death on a cross. 9 For this reason also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[Betho_BR]

This passage suggests that the Son could have saved himself but he chose to follow (Father) God's plan of salvation..
John 10: 17 For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”

...just as the Son himself became the salvation of the world through his obedience and sacrifice.

Philippians 2 5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, as He already existed in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself by taking the form of a bond-servant and being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death: death on a cross. 9 For this reason also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

In summary, does the fact that Jesus changes the will of the Father make Him coequal to Him?

 

[Angelina]

In summary, does the fact that Jesus changes the will of the Father make Him coequal to Him?

Jesus is co-equal to the Father because they were and are and will always be "One God."

 

[Matthias]

In summary, does the fact that Jesus changes the will of the Father….

It’s not a fact that Jesus changes the will of the Father.

…. make Him coequal to Him?

Jesus is functionally co-equal with the Father but the Father remains, as always, Jesus’ God and, as Jesus himself said, greater than Jesus.

 

[MA2444]

This passage seems to suggest that, in stating that He could summon angels through prayer to the Father, Jesus was highlighting His authority over circumstances, including the Father's already established will. This prayer would represent a channel to express, if necessary, the adjustment of the Son's will in line with the already established redemptive plan, disregarding the Father's will.

Was the Father's will always subordinate to the Son's will?

I don't think so. Jesus was always subordinate to the Fathers Will. That Jesus could have asked for legions of Angels to free Him from the evil was true and the Father Loves His Son either way so who would not do for their son as they wish? Especially, the Good Son!
Jesus forces Himself onto no one, so why would the Father be different?!Jesus volunteered.

Jesus declaring, nevertheless Thy will be done, was a statement of Faith by Jesus toward the Father.

Later, Jesus told disciples, I go to My God and to your God.

John 20:17
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.../KJV

But don't forget,

John 14:9
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?.../KJV

So the Father and the Son are both one. Jesus is in the Father and the Father is in the Son
The exciting thing is, we are in the Son and the Son is in us, so we have the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit all with us at the same time.

Plus Guardian Angels and perhaps Scribe Angels.

I always thought it was cool to see the President on TV or even big Businessman Like Trump or whoever...they always have an Entourage of people around them. Escorts all over the place. Bodygiards and advisors. So we too, have a larger entourage than we may have previously realized...

And it's not because I am so good or smart, lol. It's because the Lord Loves me (Us!) that much to do that for us even when we are so called nobodys.