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[The Light]

The bible only speaks of two comings so this third one is unscriptural.

You constantly use bad logic. How can you understand when you start off with bad logic.

You think the 6th seal is the same thing as the 7th trumpet. Totally illogical. This makes absolutely no sense.

If your mom gave you a list of 7 items and told you to go to the grocery store and get 7 seven items, that seems simple enough.

But you return from the grocery store with 6 items and claim the 6th item, tomatoes,is the same as the 7th item, coffee.

You don't understand the difference between the great tribulation and the wrath of God. You think they are the same item.

The great tribulation is when the dragon is killing believers. The wrath of God is when God is punishing unbelievers. These are not the same thing.

Your logic is flawed.

Nope. It happens once the 7th trump sounds.

There is more than one raising from the dead. This shows the great tribulation and then a raising from the OF THE PEOPLE OF DANIEL.

Why are MANY raised. If there was only one raising from the dead, all would be raised.

Daniel 12
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

BTW the 6th seal describes events that happen after the rapture took place

The 6th seal is a rapture, the second rapture which is seen in Matthew 24.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The same rapture is seen here.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

so even if the 6th seal happens when you think it does, it still wouldn't be at the rapture since the rapture would occur before anyone saw or knew Christ had returned for wrath.

All eyes see the coming of the Lord at the 6th seal. There is a harvest. The righteous are taken to heaven and are the great multitude in heaven in Rev 7. The unrighteous are cast into the wrath of God which is the 7th seal. The 7th seal contains the trumpets and vials of wrath.

You don't think the rapture is post trib but you say it happens when you think not so I guess the rapture is post trib afterall. :)

First off, He will come in an hour that you think not. This is the rapture of the Church which occurs before the great tribulation. So the Church is in heaven before the seals are opened.

The great tribulation is the time of Jacobs trouble and is for the Jews. Their eyes will be opened after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. There still remains 3.5 years in the 70th week of Daniel. At the 6th seal the second rapture will occur. The 144,000 from the 12 tribes are the first fruits of this rapture.

This second rapture does happen post trib....at the 6th seal. Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins. Since you don't understand the difference between the great tribulation and the wrath of God, you can't possibly see what is happening. That why you think the 6th is describing events instead of the events actually occurring.

In summary, bad logic.

 

[The Light]

There's a resurrection of the saved dead and a rapture of the living/remaining saints. There isn't another rapture after that one. The rapture/Harpazo is full and complete. There won't be another because no one will be left to rapture. It's like saying Noah had two arks.

There is more than one raising from the dead. This shows the great tribulation and then a raising from the OF THE PEOPLE OF DANIEL.

Why are MANY raised. If there was only one raising from the dead, all would be raised.

Daniel 12
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

 

[rebuilder 454]

That would put you as a quasi-midtribber.

For me the removal of the restrainer in 2 Thes 2:7ish is the removal of the church at the rapture...when they go the prayer protection...Eph 6 spiritual warfare goes up in the rapture which allows the antichrist to move freely.
All though, there are these two pesky guys who do show up.

I have been studying end times since 1976.
I have never come across the doctrine of that guy; "the light".
It seems he is the only person on the planet, that believes his doctrine.
I have asked him a couple times to post anything like what he believes or a link to anyone believing as he does.
He must be really special, if God has only showed him "the truth".

IOW...he can not possibly be right in those beliefs.
No way is that remotely possible.

He has one major pivot point that is the core base pillar of his belief.
It ALL TRACES back to a strict interpretation of "after the trib of those days"
***************THEN************
He takes that into rev 6....the sixth seal.

Then a strict definition of
Great trib
Trib
Wrath.

All of that then removes the white horse rider from being the AC.
He literally changes the white horse rider into "a antichrist.....but not the Antichrist "

Red flags galore.

 

[ewq1938]

You're speculating on what "shortened" means.

No, we all know what it means. Some doctrines cannot have the trib shortened so they use a "wok around" so the trib is not shortened.

 

[ewq1938]

You constantly use bad logic. How can you understand when you start off with bad logic.

Apply that to yourself because it fits better.

You think the 6th seal is the same thing as the 7th trumpet.

No I don't.

There is more than one raising from the dead. This shows the great tribulation and then a raising from the OF THE PEOPLE OF DANIEL.

Nope. The resurrection of the saved is all saved people from history. There is never a certain one just for Daniel's people.

Why are MANY raised. If there was only one raising from the dead, all would be raised.

There re two resurrections. You are confused because I don't believe in one resurrection.

The 6th seal is a rapture, the second rapture which is seen in Matthew 24.

False. The 6th seal doesn't describe a rapture, what it does describe happens in the future after the rapture has happened and like Matt 24, the seals are prophecy not events happening right then.

This second rapture does happen post trib....

There's one rapture of the church not two and it happens post trib. There is no pre-trib rapture.

 

[CrowCross]

No, we all know what it means. Some doctrines cannot have the trib shortened so they use a "wok around" so the trib is not shortened.

I think it means if Jesus didn't end it in 7 years but let the tribulation go on and on...there would be no human life left on the planet.

 

[Ziggy]

Watch!

2Pe 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

I don't know about anyone else, but I am witnessing the Earth undergoing a lot of unusual stress.

Are you Watching?

Hugs

 

[The Light]

I think it means if Jesus didn't end it in 7 years but let the tribulation go on and on...there would be no human life left on the planet.

No sir. Contrary to popular belief, it means that if the great tribulation is not cut short there would be no flesh raptured alive unto salvation. All that are raptured at the 6th seal would come from the grave, but for the elect's sake the great tribulation is cut short

 

[CrowCross]

No sir. Contrary to popular belief, it means that if the great tribulation is not cut short there would be no flesh raptured alive unto salvation. All that are raptured at the 6th seal would come from the grave, but for the elect's sake the great tribulation is cut short

Perhaps, but the rapture is pre-trib.

 

[The Light]

Perhaps, but the rapture is pre-trib.

The are two raptures.

The first rapture is the rapture of the Church. It will happen pre Great Tribulation. The Lord Himself will come for His bride at the trump of God or the voice of God.

The second rapture is the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman Israel that are raptured at the 6th seal. There are 144,000 first fruits redeemed from the earth that are first fruits of this rapture. This rapture occurs at the last trump blown on the Feast of Trumpets. The Lord sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. All return to heaven for the marriage supper and remain there during the one year wrath of God.

 

[ewq1938]

I think it means if Jesus didn't end it in 7 years but let the tribulation go on and on...there would be no human life left on the planet.

But it was never to be longer than 7 years. 7 years was the original length so shortening that means less than 7 years and that would be true in any language.

 

[The Light]

But it was never to be longer than 7 years. 7 years was the original length so shortening that means less than 7 years and that would be true in any language.

The great tribulation is shortened. The great tribulation does not last 7 years.

 

[ewq1938]

The great tribulation is shortened. The great tribulation does not last 7 years.

Tribulation or great tribulation is the same period, which was 7 years but was shortened to 42 months. If it always was 42 months then nothing was shortened.