WATER BAPTISM CAUSES DIVISIONS

[Doug]

This is the last, "I am finished":

Additional resources:

Video on water Baptism preparation and event - Amazing Facts Baptism Doug Batchelor : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Audio by Byron Spears, 'the walking Bible' - The Trumpet Of Truth Evangelistic Crusade Audio (made for video) by Byron Spears The Walking Bible : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Pocketbook - Amazing Facts Pocket Book Joe Crews Baptism Is It Really Necessary : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Baptism into Christ by the Holy Ghost - SDA Eric Wilson Our Baptism In Christ Jesus : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Video Example of actual Baptism of some of my friends - Oni & Emmely Baptism : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Thus "I am finished."

In order to be baptized, a person must consciously choose to accept the offer of God in Christ Jesus, the Gospel (by hearing it spoken, or read from the scriptures), and repent of their sins, confessing their sins, and calling on the name of the LORD Jesus Christ, and make profession of faith (none of which infants / babies can do):.
The problem is that's your determination without any scripture to back it up. No scripture says all of this; however, this is what Israel was to do, They were to believe on his name and repent and confess sin

 

[Doug]

This is the last, "I am finished":

Additional resources:

Video on water Baptism preparation and event - Amazing Facts Baptism Doug Batchelor : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Audio by Byron Spears, 'the walking Bible' - The Trumpet Of Truth Evangelistic Crusade Audio (made for video) by Byron Spears The Walking Bible : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Pocketbook - Amazing Facts Pocket Book Joe Crews Baptism Is It Really Necessary : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Baptism into Christ by the Holy Ghost - SDA Eric Wilson Our Baptism In Christ Jesus : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Video Example of actual Baptism of some of my friends - Oni & Emmely Baptism : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Thus "I am finished."

Mar 1:10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:

This doesn't say he was under the water. You can be sprinkled with a water-soaked reed while standing in the water and then walk onto shore.

 

[Doug]

This is the last, "I am finished":

Additional resources:

Video on water Baptism preparation and event - Amazing Facts Baptism Doug Batchelor : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Audio by Byron Spears, 'the walking Bible' - The Trumpet Of Truth Evangelistic Crusade Audio (made for video) by Byron Spears The Walking Bible : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Pocketbook - Amazing Facts Pocket Book Joe Crews Baptism Is It Really Necessary : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Baptism into Christ by the Holy Ghost - SDA Eric Wilson Our Baptism In Christ Jesus : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Video Example of actual Baptism of some of my friends - Oni & Emmely Baptism : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Thus "I am finished."

The Ethiopian eunuch & Philip find a "certain water", and so much so that both where able to go "down both into the water". After the "baptism", they "were come up out of the water". Again, the very symbolism of death, burial and resurrection by "much water" (Jhn. 3:23 KJB). Dying and being born again through water, and profession of the faith, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."

This only upholds that for believing Israel they had to only believe on the name of Jesus, that he was their Messiah the Son of God. This was not so for the church the body of Christ

Coming out of the water doesnt say he was submerged

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

The Division comes from Atheist ! who rant and rave against water baptism in fact !

Then we see another Mob, who bark on against Water Baptism, Ho the fear of such is causing so much dramer to them !

When John was baptising Jews, who resisted such ? no one.

Water Baptising does not Save anyone, it just a cleansing and welcoming one to repentance. Boy the dramer of that ?

Or Oh No ! someone is welcomeing babys into the Church ! a baby does not know what is going down ? but that is not the point at all ! it's that the child is loved and is to be brought up with the help of all within. The mum and dad do the duty before all to see !

 

[Doug]

Water Baptising does not Save anyone, it just a cleansing

Water baptism was to remit sins committed by Israel

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Timothy was circumcised to not offend the Jews

Also Timothy was a jew. It is an everlasting covenant! Titus entered teh temple, but was not compelled to be circumcised for he was not a Jew.

Genesis 17:10-13

King James Version

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10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

To have harmony of scripture, specific scripture of some kind is needed. Lots of scripture about water baptism, but none to describe how to do it.

Precious friend, God Does Have Harmony Of Scriptures, When They Are Rightly Divided:

From 13 Bible baptisms, sections 4, 9, and 10:

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(A) The Twelve (12) baptisms Of God’s Law/Prophetic Program!...
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...(Israel's various washings! Greek: baptismos = Hebrews 9:10 AV)...

...4. Levitical priesthood baptism (Exodus 29:4;
Leviticus 8:6; Numbers 8:7 AV). This washing was The Second
Requirement {The First being: "No blemish!" (Leviticus 21:21 AV)},
in order to become a priest under the Law of Moses!:

Method?: "...washing hands and feet [ Emphasized twice! ]..."

(Exodus 30:18-21 AV)​

Is this baptism in any way connected To baptism # 9?...
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...9. "water baptism of repentance For remission of sin," that John
preached (Before The Cross), And Peter continued (After The Cross!),
to preach! (Matthew 3:5-6; Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3; John 1:31;
Luke 7:29-30; Acts 10:37; Matthew 28:19; Mark 16:16;
Acts 2:38; Acts 22:16; Ezekiel 36:25 AV).

a) Does this baptism “save” anyone (Luke 7:29-30 AV)?
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b1) Is this baptism in any way "connected" to baptism # 4?

b2) Wasn't John preparing National Israel for God's Promise For
them “to be a nation of priests unto God" (Exodus 19:6 AV)?

b3) Was not The Second Requirement for priesthood induction,
Washing? { may require re-review of baptism #4! }.

b4) Did not CHRIST And The Twelve heal everyone in Israel who came to
them, in order to meet “The First Requirement” For the priesthood, that
Of No blemish!? (Matthew 4:24; Acts 5:16 cp Leviticus 21:21 AV).
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c) Is this baptism for today? If "you believe this baptism is For us"
Today, then, we have Several More Questions:

c1) Why does 'No one' Today, teach, as John ( Under The Law! ),
Claimed: it is For “making CHRIST Manifest To Israel” (John 1:31 AV)?

c2) Why does { Almost } 'No one' Today, “Confess their sins,”
when they come to This baptism (Matthew 3:6; Mark 1:5 AV)?

c3) Why do not All Divided “denominations who water baptize”
today, agree 'As one', And teach water as John, CHRIST, And The
Twelve ( Under The LAW! ), “taught That water baptism Is For
The Remission Of sins!” (Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3; Acts 2:38 AV).

{ instead of each one’s own “symbolic Re-Interpreted Traditions!” }?
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Do we all Really Want The Truth, The Whole Truth, And Nothing But "The Truth!"?
Just wondering...
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Baptism Of Anointing?:

10. Pentecostal Spirit baptism
This is the baptism "With" The Holy Spirit, By JESUS CHRIST,
From Heaven, Poured Out Upon the believing remnant of Israel,
with signs and powers following!
(Isaiah 44:3; Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke 24:49; Acts 2:17-18, 38; Acts 8:15-17; Acts 11:16 AV).

And, is not This The Third Requirement For "priesthood induction" =
Anointing? (compare Exodus 29:7; Leviticus 8:10-12 AV).

a) Is God Performing "This" Baptism On us Today, Under Grace?

b) If you believe "you are in the priesthood," are you Absolutely
Sure that you have Met All Three Of God's Requirements?...

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Note: The Twelve "Were Sent" to baptize! (Matthew 28:19 AV).
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Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online)

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...Paul Was "Not sent" to baptize! (1 Corinthians 1:17 AV), but teaches:


Nothing like a good Bible study, Especially about God's Important Sound Doctrine, eh?

More here: Bible Baptism # 13...

 

[gpresdo]

The Division comes from Atheist ! who rant and rave against water baptism in fact !

Then we see another Mob, who bark on against Water Baptism, Ho the fear of such is causing so much dramer to them !

When John was baptising Jews, who resisted such ? no one.

Water Baptising does not Save anyone, it just a cleansing and welcoming one to repentance. Boy the dramer of that ?

Or Oh No ! someone is welcomeing babys into the Church ! a baby does not know what is going down ? but that is not the point at all ! it's that the child is loved and is to be brought up with the help of all within. The mum and dad do the duty before all to see !

Does the act of repentance give us born again status?

 

[gpresdo]

[Romans 6:4 KJV] "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."
[Colossians 2:12 KJV] "Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead."...........I have heard it said that after salvation we should be water baptized. They justify this by misapplying these verses. They say water baptism pictures us being buried with him into death, and raised. These verses aren't speaking of water baptism, but rather, our baptism by the Spirit..........[1 Corinthians 12:13 KJV] "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit."

Church denominations all have different procedures in regard to water baptism. Some say it is by immersion, while others say it's by sprinkling. Some claim infant baptism, while others say only adults. Should we be baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or in the name of Jesus? The fact is, Paul doesn't command water baptism and there are no instructions in regard to water baptism to be found. Water baptism causes divisions in the church, the body of Christ. Water baptism caused division in the Corinthian church.........[1 Corinthians 1:11 KJV] "For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them [which are of the house] of Ce, that there are contentions among you."
[1 Corinthians 1:12 KJV] "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."
[1 Corinthians 1:13 KJV] "Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?"

Yes...division from a sinner to a born again soul.

 

[GodsGrace]

[Romans 6:4 KJV] "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."

In Romans 6:4 do you believe Paul is NOT referring to water baptism??
What would the person be RAISED UP from if not the water??

[Colossians 2:12 KJV] "Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead."...........I have heard it said that after salvation we should be water baptized. They justify this by misapplying these verses. They say water baptism pictures us being buried with him into death, and raised. These verses aren't speaking of water baptism, but rather, our baptism by the Spirit..........[1 Corinthians 12:13 KJV] "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit."

Church denominations all have different procedures in regard to water baptism. Some say it is by immersion, while others say it's by sprinkling. Some claim infant baptism, while others say only adults. Should we be baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or in the name of Jesus? The fact is, Paul doesn't command water baptism and there are no instructions in regard to water baptism to be found. Water baptism causes divisions in the church, the body of Christ. Water baptism caused division in the Corinthian church.........[1 Corinthians 1:11 KJV] "For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them [which are of the house] of Ce, that there are contentions among you."
[1 Corinthians 1:12 KJV] "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."
[1 Corinthians 1:13 KJV] "Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?"

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes...division from a sinner to a born again soul.

Hi gpresdo
I'd like to ask you the same question I asked the other member:

In Romans 6:4 do you believe Paul is NOT referring to water baptism??
What would the person be RAISED UP from if not the water??


[Romans 6:4 KJV] "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."

 

[amigo de christo]

In Romans 6:4 do you believe Paul is NOT referring to water baptism??
What would the person be RAISED UP from if not the water??

actaully while i do believe all believers should be water baptised .
THIS speaks directily of SPIRITUAL baptism of the HOLY GHOST .
Anyone can go down into water . the water itself is not gonna cause the spiritual rebirth .
But yes we should still be water baptized .
I do have a question for you my friend .
What do you think JESUS and later the apostels
would have told this generation
about this all inclusive ecumeincal move . ALL I OWN IS ON , GET THE HECK OUTTA OF IT , IT IS OF SATAN and not GOD .
But of course i do allow you to say what you believe they would say .

 

[amigo de christo]

Water baptism was to remit sins committed by Israel

Doug , o doug .
If that was the case then WHY would peter have the house of cornleious , WHICH Was gentile
And had already EVEN recieved the baptism of the HOLY GHOST , still to be water baptized .
Lets try again my friend . And this time with the BIBLE and not doctrines of men . Do be encouaged doug .

 

[amigo de christo]

Does the act of repentance give us born again status?

verily verily i do type unto thee
IT sure is a sign one has been born again .
TWO KEY THINGS .
A . FIRST and FOREMOST THEY WOULD HAVE BELEIVED ON JESUS CHRIST .
And B , also just as important , They would never have run to another jesus that sure seems
to justify the sin they so love . NEW MAN baby . Not the old man that once lived and loved sin .
SO that just diqualified this eucmeincal jesus , this inclusive jesus
that seems to have NO problems with certain sins nor with UNBELIEF .
That AINT JESUS . THUS ITS NOT OF GOD .
Just a friendly reminder to us all . That indeed it is HIGH TIME for BIBLE TIME again .
And may that reminder encourage you today .

 

[amigo de christo]

Also Timothy was a jew. It is an everlasting covenant! Titus entered teh temple, but was not compelled to be circumcised for he was not a Jew.

Genesis 17:10-13​

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King James Version​

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10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

while i see some truth in this i smell an odor of sulfur my friend .
And we know what smells like sulfur . FIRE AND BRIMESTONE .
Wanna know why me thinks i whiff sulfur .
Cause me thinks some folks here are DOWN with the two gospel mentality .
Namely the one that follows earthern Jersualem and has set its hopes upon the earthen and upon men .
IF i even whiff two gospels i will not allow it in my site . I have decided to take the ecumeincal
all inclusive intefaith bull of anti christ by the horns . whether it gores me to death or not .
THE FLESH profits nothing and not only can a jew but WILL A JEW wail as loudly as an unbeliving gentile ON JESUS day .
I wont have no john hagee supports here . HE lied to them all as does his mother and his father
of this ecumeincal interfaith harlot . I will NEVER again allow or even watch
JESUS EVER be trod under foot a gain for a lie . I PRAY TO THE HOLY GOD that all WHO name the NAME OF JESUS
will arise and do likewise . Do be encouraged my friend .

 

[rwb]

[Romans 6:4 KJV] "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."
[Colossians 2:12 KJV] "Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead."...........I have heard it said that after salvation we should be water baptized. They justify this by misapplying these verses. They say water baptism pictures us being buried with him into death, and raised. These verses aren't speaking of water baptism, but rather, our baptism by the Spirit..........[1 Corinthians 12:13 KJV] "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit."

Church denominations all have different procedures in regard to water baptism. Some say it is by immersion, while others say it's by sprinkling. Some claim infant baptism, while others say only adults. Should we be baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or in the name of Jesus? The fact is, Paul doesn't command water baptism and there are no instructions in regard to water baptism to be found. Water baptism causes divisions in the church, the body of Christ. Water baptism caused division in the Corinthian church.........[1 Corinthians 1:11 KJV] "For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them [which are of the house] of Ce, that there are contentions among you."
[1 Corinthians 1:12 KJV] "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."
[1 Corinthians 1:13 KJV] "Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?"

The contention in the church in Corinth wasn't over baptism. The contention according to them which were of the house of Chole was about which of the apostles they should be following. Some said they were of Paul, others of Apollos, or of Cephas, or of Christ.

1Co 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Ce, that there are contentions among you.
1Co 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

Paul writes that this contention is causing a division in the body of Christ. Because arguing over which man to follow is dividing Christ. Paul wasn't crucified for them, only Christ was, nor did Paul baptize or have anyone baptized in his name. The few Paul who were baptized by Paul were baptized in the name of Christ as the Lord had commanded. The primary mission of Paul and all who are saved is to make disciples of ALL who believe. Those who believe will be saved, not by water baptism but according to grace through faith upon hearing and believing the gospel of the Kingdom of God proclaimed unto all the nations of the earth.

Paul did not want them to follow after anyone but Christ only, fearing they would begin to say they were baptized in the name of Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas rather than the name of Christ. Entrance into the Kingdom of God comes not through baptism of natural water, but through the power of the gospel preached or the cross of Christ is made of none effect.

1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
1Co 1:14 ¶ I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
1Co 1:15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
1Co 1:16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
1Co 1:17 ¶ For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.